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Shoonay
24th January 2011, 12:01
User named rdstudio just posted this on PPA.pl (http://www.ppa.pl/forum_ppa/read.php?f=11&t=21920)

Some time ago he bought an Amiga package on Allegro.pl, and this construction was hidden in there. :lol:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4503/zgl9vq6l0r4hiqsu.jpg

Apparently the constructor had his own vision of a joy stick... MacGyver is an Amiga gamer? :wooha:

keropi
24th January 2011, 12:07
that is some hardcore stuff right there.... it certainly worths it's price, not for the joystick itself but for the vision of the maker....

Justin
24th January 2011, 12:08
that is sooooooo cool! where can i get one?

Shoonay
24th January 2011, 12:22
Sorry Juvee, I'm afraid that's the only model in the whole wide world ;)

skorbut
24th January 2011, 12:25
LoL, great business plan to make this model.

And it can be packed as DIY kit too for lowered price.

keropi
24th January 2011, 12:25
...so it is valuable. you just can't put a price on that!

Shoonay
24th January 2011, 12:29
@skorbut: yeah, 50cm x 6 thin cables, a wooden plate 10cm x 5cm x 1cm with a hole in the middle, one 7cm screw, 4 x small screws and 4 of those metal pieces to contact with the directions. :cool:

Oh, and a fire button.

StrontiumDog
24th January 2011, 12:58
now THAT is serious hardware pr0n!

:D

commodorejohn
24th January 2011, 13:15
Hah, reminds me of the first computer "switchbox" joysticks invented for Spacewar! - wish I could find a better picture, but here's the diagram:
http://omega.cs.iit.edu/~dwedit/videogames/spacewar_control_box.jpg
Gotta love what people made when they didn't have access to or couldn't afford a prefab version ;)

AmiNeo
24th January 2011, 13:18
OMG, it looks so, so... cr*p... :lol:


Really vintage looking...

chiark
24th January 2011, 13:28
I love that - that's what hacking is all about.
Sure you might be able to get something somewhere, but the real joy is improvising with the materials available to hand :)

:thumbsup: from me!

Xanxi
24th January 2011, 13:36
Seems really rusty: beware tetanus!!

Shoonay
24th January 2011, 15:29
@chiark: Exactly. :)
It's not about the looks, but how it was build and that it works.
Probably holds a decent amount of nostalgia, too.

AmiNeo
24th January 2011, 15:37
Teatnus StuntCar Racer!

Nice ring to it dontya think? :lol:

cosmicfrog
24th January 2011, 16:00
Thanks for shareing shoona
that is one hard core joystick, Industrial springs to mind

Love it I Ribbiting do, Proper DIY :D

McVenco
24th January 2011, 16:04
Some time ago he bought an Amiga package on Allegro.pl, and this construction was hidden in there. :lol:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4503/zgl9vq6l0r4hiqsu.jpg



This thing just screams "Steampunk". :mrgreen:

I love it, though it would look better with brass parts and just one color of cables instead of this rainbow thing...

chiark
24th January 2011, 16:11
exactly. It's made me wonder about making something like it...

When I first saw it, it reminded me of a victorian morse key
http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/marconi/exhibition/images/86892-1.jpg

That'd be a great project...

Merlin
24th January 2011, 16:59
@ Shoonay

Is that joystick analog or digital....??

:blink:

Nathanieltolbert
24th January 2011, 17:00
That's actually pretty cool. Yeah it looks like crap but hey, how many of us have created our own joysticks? I wonder if I could make an amiga joystick from arcade control components.....

-edit- No, seriously, has anyone else here made a joystick? I want to see them if so, actually..... I have an idea for a thread.

commodorejohn
24th January 2011, 17:29
-edit- No, seriously, has anyone else here made a joystick? I want to see them if so, actually..... I have an idea for a thread.
Ooh, now there's an idea! I could make a wood-base stick to go with the wood-encased machine I wanna build. Love that ultra-oldschool wood-grain finish ;)

AmiNeo
24th January 2011, 17:58
-edit- No, seriously, has anyone else here made a joystick? I want to see them if so, actually..... I have an idea for a thread.
Ooh, now there's an idea! I could make a wood-base stick to go with the wood-encased machine I wanna build. Love that ultra-oldschool wood-grain finish ;)

Oldschool woodgrain finish? Since when were computers ever encased in wood? :lol:... Just screams fire hazard to me :blink:

commodorejohn
24th January 2011, 18:23
Oldschool woodgrain finish? Since when were computers ever encased in wood? :lol:... Just screams fire hazard to me :blink:
Before your time, kid, before your time:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/northstarhorizon.jpg

Nathanieltolbert
24th January 2011, 18:25
The old computer kits of the 70's were usually housed in custom cases. Since the most common material was wood, a lot of kit computer cases were wooden. So... Yeah I guess wood would be a truly old classic feel.

AmiNeo
24th January 2011, 18:27
Jebus H. Corbet! That looks more like a CD rack than a computer :lol:

Merlin
24th January 2011, 18:43
That's actually pretty cool. Yeah it looks like crap but hey, how many of us have created our own joysticks? I wonder if I could make an amiga joystick from arcade control components.....

-edit- No, seriously, has anyone else here made a joystick? I want to see them if so, actually..... I have an idea for a thread.

I actually built a 'joypad' out of a black project box like this....

http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/kc91y.jpg (http://images.maplin.co.uk/full/kc91y.jpg)

five push-button switches like these...

http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/2353i0.jpg

... some scrap cable and a 9-pin D-plug from a broken Atari joystick.

It worked really well, it was pretty much unbreakable and I used it playing Elite on My C64 for ages.......

As the parts are still available, i could build another one today.....:blink:

AmiNeo
24th January 2011, 18:47
That's actually pretty cool. Yeah it looks like crap but hey, how many of us have created our own joysticks? I wonder if I could make an amiga joystick from arcade control components.....

-edit- No, seriously, has anyone else here made a joystick? I want to see them if so, actually..... I have an idea for a thread.

I actually built a 'joypad' out of a black project box like this....

http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/kc91y.jpg (http://images.maplin.co.uk/full/kc91y.jpg)

five push-button switches like these...

http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/2353i0.jpg

... some scrap cable and a 9-pin D-plug from a broken Atari joystick.

It worked really well, it was pretty much unbreakable and I used it playing Elite on My C64 for ages.......

As the parts are still available, i could build another one today.....:blink:


You should! and give us Pr0ns! :lol:

Zetr0
24th January 2011, 18:54
Wood?!?

....


WOOD!?


personally I prefer mine with a leather and Formica =D

http://www.computermuseum.li/Testpage/Cray-1-Supercomputer-1976.gif

Merlin
24th January 2011, 20:20
@ AmiNeo

First, I would have to think way back to 1985 when I first built it. Let me take a look over at pinouts.ru for the C64 9-pin port connections and I'll try to draw up exactly how I built it back then. :nod:

The project box I used back in 1985 was blue, not black and the buttons were red, not black; but hey, from a quick 5-minute Google search, I was amazed to find that they are still in production....:wooha:

Edit: 5-Minute Schematic Productions Presents......

mjnurney
24th January 2011, 21:23
lol i love this....i used to make joysticks for my c64! .....out of old keyboards , does that count?

more of a control with a keybstick i used to think...

Nathanieltolbert
24th January 2011, 21:30
What are pins 5, 7, and 9 used for? They don't appear to have any wiring done to them. How do you wire a four button or CD32 style gamepad for an Amiga?

salaxi54
24th January 2011, 21:31
Z, your continuous preference in leather is beginning to worry me! :lol:
Not that i would mind a Cray in my lab..... :thumbsup:

Phipscube
24th January 2011, 21:31
That is in a class of its own! :wooha: I want it, and i'm now inspired to rehouse my Amiga in a similar fashion, woodern casing, metal keys, the works :D


User named rdstudio just posted this on PPA.pl (http://www.ppa.pl/forum_ppa/read.php?f=11&t=21920)

Some time ago he bought an Amiga package on Allegro.pl, and this construction was hidden in there. :lol:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4503/zgl9vq6l0r4hiqsu.jpg

Apparently the constructor had his own vision of a joy stick... MacGyver is an Amiga gamer? :wooha:

Merlin
24th January 2011, 22:00
@ Nathan

The other pins are for 5v and for potentiometers - probably to allow support for paddle controllers.

The pinouts are at pinouts.ru if you search 'C64' under Control Ports.

Elerion
24th January 2011, 22:22
Fantastic!

Judging from the wood discoloration and shiny top it was used a lot.

Did you find any blood stains on it? :rofl3

commodorejohn
24th January 2011, 22:55
What are pins 5, 7, and 9 used for? They don't appear to have any wiring done to them. How do you wire a four button or CD32 style gamepad for an Amiga?
Pins 5 and 9 are for analog potentiometer input on the C64/Atari controller standard - Atari uses this for Breakout-style paddle controllers, C64 for the 1351 mouse. Pin 7 is +5V. Multi-button controllers like the CD32 or Sega gamepads have their own controller standards, typically some kind of modified Atari layout with multiplexed buttons or somesuch - you'd have to look up the specific type of controller you want to make.

AmiNeo
24th January 2011, 22:57
@ AmiNeo

First, I would have to think way back to 1985 when I first built it. Let me take a look over at pinouts.ru for the C64 9-pin port connections and I'll try to draw up exactly how I built it back then. :nod:

The project box I used back in 1985 was blue, not black and the buttons were red, not black; but hey, from a quick 5-minute Google search, I was amazed to find that they are still in production....:wooha:

Edit: 5-Minute Schematic Productions Presents......

Wow are these joysticks really that simple? One pin per function? Circuit created from directional movement = signal to that pin? INTREAGUING!

davideo
24th January 2011, 23:08
My UK101 was expanded that much with the screen enhancement kit, colour board, ROM and RAM boards, sound kit and speech board that I finished up making up a new plywood case to hold it all :oops:

Dave G :cool:

Shoonay
25th January 2011, 00:27
@Marlin: how long would it take you to build a working prototype? :lol:

@Elerion: lol, I guess no, it looks clean, no blood... ;)

@AmiNeo: yup, joysticks are simple constructions, 4 directional connections and a fire button + everything connected to the ground.
If you want to you can build and connect up to 3 separate fire buttons (equivalent's of the mouse left and right buttons), it's all there and the Amiga supports that, but unfortunately not many games do. Two buttons are used at most, mostly in shmups - the 2nd fire button for the powerup, or beatemups.
There's also the +5V line in those super high-tech joysticks with extra electronic units generating a signal that can be used as auto-fire, but who knows how to use those. :lol:

AmiNeo
25th January 2011, 01:48
@Marlin: how long would it take you to build a working prototype? :lol:

@Elerion: lol, I guess no, it looks clean, no blood... ;)

@AmiNeo: yup, joysticks are simple constructions, 4 directional connections and a fire button + everything connected to the ground.
If you want to you can build and connect up to 3 separate fire buttons (equivalent's of the mouse left and right buttons), it's all there and the Amiga supports that, but unfortunately not many games do. Two buttons are used at most, mostly in shmups - the 2nd fire button for the powerup, or beatemups.
There's also the +5V line in those super high-tech joysticks with extra electronic units generating a signal that can be used as auto-fire, but who knows how to use those. :lol:

Awesome... Once I'm back on my feet I may have to attempt this!

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:offtopic:Quick off topic question; Are all the names on the calander peoples birthdays??? :offtopic:

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Could you not simulate autofire functions with a switch to redirect a buttons circuit to a channel with a small capacitor on it???

specialK
25th January 2011, 07:14
this reminds me "good" old days, back in Poland during kommunist rule. we would read up on Polish issues of computer magazines, Bajtek, Komputer etc and any type of project they would have published we would take to school and try and build them.
one of them was a simple joystic\pad desig we have built on one of the technical\woodworking classes... ;)

Shoonay
25th January 2011, 07:56
:offtopic:Quick off topic question; Are all the names on the calander peoples birthdays??? :offtopic:I'm afraid so. :D


Could you not simulate autofire functions with a switch to redirect a buttons circuit to a channel with a small capacitor on it???I guess, t'was a looooong time ago that I've played with constructing electronic devices and I never bothered about the auto-fire function, only read about it...


this reminds me "good" old days, back in Poland during kommunist rule. we would read up on Polish issues of computer magazines, Bajtek, Komputer etc

I hope you realize you can read those again on RetroReaders.makii.pl, here's Bajtek (http://retroreaders.makii.pl/dload.php?action=category&id=5) for example, enjoy :)


and any type of project they would have published we would take to school and try and build them.
one of them was a simple joystic\pad desig we have built on one of the technical\woodworking classes... ;)OMG, OMG, OMG, cool! :lol:
All we did on technical classes was building bird-houses or other simple constructions out of wood.
And on computer class? Admired the greatest technology of all time, a 386 PC without a mouse on a monochrome monitor. :dry:
LOL. Me and a few of my buddies owning Amigas were laughing our *kasses off* seeing the problems that piece of *drap* was causing. Also, we played some ugly Koło Fortuny-clone game most of the time. ;)