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salaxi54
25th November 2011, 11:35
Hello fellow AmiBayers! Well, y'all know that if i decide to start something it is a fact... :D I was actually initially thinking of buildding something else, but was "forced" to change my mind. You see, being a Navy guy, i thought i'd build a submarine CIC, but it would require drilling a rather big hole (or two) for a periscope going through the top guy's apartment, and ending out on the roof. As you might've guessed, he refused... :lol: (yeah, right, what'd he know!)
So, i weighted things up, and actually found there's only just a few Submarine simulators out there, maybe it was for the best of things not to bother. But my lab being non-ergonomic in status, things must simply change!
Although i do have two rather big desks full of gear, a second person has a rather hard time sitting next to me when i invite friends. That's because not all the stuff is ON the desks.. It's simply spread around. :)
So, my thinking is that i could at least make things more comfy for a second person, by building a full-sized two-seater flight simulator cockpit.
The only difference is that we won't be seating next to each other (how romantic LOL), but rather one in front of the other! And instead of viewing the same screen when it comes to computing, we'd each have our own to look at. But, that will not be as friends; rather as flying enemies! hehe
I can tell you that this project will take quite a while (don't they all?)
But i decided to start this thread so i can share with you my thoughts and technical questions, for this isn't something specific to an aviator or such.
Maybe you've already seen some of the gear i started collecting already, but for the sake of completeness, i'll post em here too.
Without further ado, here's what i already have:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/HELMET2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/COCKPIT1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/COCKPIT2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/COCKPIT3.jpg

So, there's a helmet, a thrust controller, some switches, indicators and various paraphernalia, an intercom (to talk to the bogie), and a couple of Wingman sticks. That's not all, and more gear is expected.
My target is an F-16/B cockpit, and i chose the F-16 due to it's minimalistic construction. Health has forbidden me to start cutting for the time being, but i hope soon construction will commence! :)
I'll return soon with plenty of questions for our electronics-oriented members and any updates. Stay tuned! :thumbsup:

ddni
25th November 2011, 11:39
I will watch this with interest! Good luck.

cosmicfrog
25th November 2011, 11:49
let me get it in first then

"you can be my wingman" :lol:

johnim
25th November 2011, 12:27
will look forward 2 your progress mate

AmiNeo
25th November 2011, 14:35
Ohh, nice, I used to have that exact flight stick. Great controller that.

This is going to be interesting... :thumbsup:

J.T.Kirk
25th November 2011, 14:46
You're damn-f***ing crazy... :thumbsup:

salaxi54
25th November 2011, 17:41
Thanks for your kind words folks! I'll be shooting questions, but will be doing so one at a time, so as not to get too confused. :)
Here's numero uno:
I need to know how to control LED intensity. One of the units is the ICP (Integrated Control Panel). Imagine it being a small box about 25x25 cm, carrying 21 indications. So, i want to build something that can illuminate 21 LEDs (or miniature light bulbs), all fed directly from an ATX PSU, and be able to use a rotary dimmer to control their intensity. Size does matter (the smaller the better lol), and please keep in mind that not only morale is low, but finances too! :( Would i need something smart to do the job, or can i use a simple dimmer knob? If it matters, emmited light should be either yellow or white. Here's how an ICP looks: http://meriweather.com/16/center/icp.html#

Merlin
25th November 2011, 18:25
@ Salaxi54

is the effect like dimming car speedometer clocks in modern cars?

A simple rotary dimmer (variable resistor) would do it. Remember though, you are only dimming a 5v rail that feeds the LEDS, so it doesn't need to be massive. I'd go for one with a linear rather than logarithmic rating..

As for the rating, you may need to play with some 0.5W resistors on the 5v rail until you get the dimming effect you want, then get a variable resistor of that value.

salaxi54
25th November 2011, 18:43
@ Salaxi54
is the effect like dimming car speedometer clocks in modern cars?

Never had a modern car! :lol: All i want is a smooth dimming function by rotating a knob. Haven't yet decided if i'll be using LEDs or regular light bulbs.

Merlin
25th November 2011, 20:03
Either way, a variable resistor is the way to go, unless you are getting into higher voltages.

Where did you source the 'Top Gun' helmet from?

salaxi54
25th November 2011, 20:09
Thanks, i plan on staying with 5vdc on this. As about the helmet, i got it from the Asian part of fleebay.. Needs a bit of modifying so as not to represent a Chinese Airforce version.. :)

protek
25th November 2011, 20:17
Did someone say cockpit? :) I've been planning to build a GA home cockpit myself, with a slight versatility to airline/combat simulation. If you need info on building a home cockpit, you might want to check MyCockpit.org (http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/). There's a lot of useful information.

Merlin
25th November 2011, 20:25
I did notice the red star, Salaxi. :thumbsup: I think I'd prefer a leather helmet and a pair of Mk. 9s, if I had a choice.

r0jaws will be along at some point I reckon, to discuss RAF helmets...

All I can think of is "Stay on target.... stay on target....." :lol:

salaxi54
25th November 2011, 20:42
@Protek: thanks for the link. So many of them! It's just that usually they seem to be looking for ways to promote their own products...
Anyway, i've gathered a few links i will be posting later.
I was thinking of various revisions for a cockpit, but as i said earlier, an F-16 is rather minimalistic. Needless to say that this won't be running just one simulator. I actually want to have a UAE setup handy for my personal all-time favorite Sublogic FS II :-)

@Merlin: This one's very light (extremely i'd say), has a leather inner, and both a transparent and sunglass gliding shield. Surely what you have in mind needs a propeller-driven craft! :lol:

Merlin
25th November 2011, 21:01
Exactly, Vasilios; the aircraft I prefer to fly are powered by Rolls Royce Merlins, naturally... Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters....with the occasional P51-D Mustang.

salaxi54
25th November 2011, 21:06
Well, that would've made constructing a cockpit for your needs an extremely easy to build project! :)

By the way, here's a few interesting links:

http://www.voodoo-world.cz/falcon/info.html
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http://www.ejectionsite.com/f16seat.htm

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea2/1001-1100/Fea1001_AcesII_Beaumont/00.shtm

http://www.vipercore.nl/index.php

http://virtualf16.20m.com/index.html

http://www.xflight.de

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfb2L-blz4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6aAKwua7o8&feature=related

http://www.leobodnar.com/products/BU0836/

http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/hud/head_up_displays.html

http://www.777simulator.com/dnn/TechnicalInformation/KeyboardHacking/tabid/59/Default.aspx

Some of them are not F-16 relevant, but still contain a whole lot of info. Check the bottom link for example, on how to use regular keyboards!

johnim
25th November 2011, 21:28
just looked at this from one link wow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrhGiVl1RNs&feature=player_embedded#!

protek
25th November 2011, 23:25
I've got also a Matrox TripleHead2Go with three 17" monitors. Only difference is that I have the digital version compared to the analog in the Youtube flick. No fresnel lenses, though.

salaxi54
6th December 2011, 11:57
Here's a question for Winblows users: anyone know enough about multiple-monitor setups?
I was thinking of a few details..
Can i use more than one graphics card under the same pc? I do have an Asrock mobo that supports a function called "surround video", but the cockpit needs an extra pc for the aft pilot. Plus, another thinking: i intend to utilize all 3 outputs of a video card (GF 7800) meaning VGA, DVI and S-Video out. I think i can use all 3, but i want to make sure. Last question, if i actually can use all 3 outs, is it possible for them to operate under different resolutions, and, could i also choose rotation on an individual screen? It has to do with some of the instrumentation display..
Setup is Win XP SP 3
Thanks in advance!

Ed.D
6th December 2011, 12:47
Here's a question for Winblows users: anyone know enough about multiple-monitor setups?
I was thinking of a few details..



- Can i use more than one graphics card under the same pc? I do have an Asrock mobo that supports a function called "surround video", but the cockpit needs an extra pc for the aft pilot.

A: Yes you can. I have done this with 2 x 8800GTX's and FSX.



- Plus, another thinking: i intend to utilize all 3 outputs of a video card (GF 7800) meaning VGA, DVI and S-Video out. I think i can use all 3, but i want to make sure.

A: Not sure I think it depends on what the graphics driver is capable of.



- Last question, if i actually can use all 3 outs, is it possible for them to operate under different resolutions, and, could i also choose rotation on an individual screen? It has to do with some of the instrumentation display..
Setup is Win XP SP 3
Thanks in advance!

I just tested 2 displays connected to a GTX560Ti under Win 7 x64. I have my main monitor (30") running at 2560x1600 in landscape and a secondary (24") running 1920x1200 in portrait. NVidia drivers.

A problem I came across when trying to set up a cockpit with 3 monitors is setting the perspective view you need across the 3 displays, e.g. rotating horizontally the outer monitor views. This might be accomplished with your "surround video" feature. I believe ATi video cards have an onboard feature to spread the display across multiple monitors, something that Nvidia dropped a while ago.

Also there are some utilities called FSwide and FSUIPC which will send displays to another PC. I think these have a nominal subscription fee.

Depending on your budget there is also something called Project Magenta, multiple IO and VGA displays for flight sim cockpit builders, although I have no experience using this.

Cheers,
Ed.

salaxi54
7th December 2011, 13:13
A: Not sure I think it depends on what the graphics driver is capable of.

Thanks for your reply! I'd really like to hear from any members if someone has managed to get output from all three sockets (VGA DVI S-Vid) at once. I have downloaded manuals from various card makers just in case i could track one mentioning it. All would say that DVI and VGA were to be used as primary and secondary displays, but none mentioned anything for a third monitor under S-Video. They usually have a seperate chapter talking about connecting a screen to the S-Video, which looks as if it's meant to be an alternative "primary" display choice..
Anyway, here's another small bit of stuff i got today for the puzzle:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TOGGLECOVERS1.jpg

Those are toggle switch covers. I'm expecting a bounch of red ones to arrive soon too.

Witcher1979
7th December 2011, 13:29
One card can support upto 4 screens at once. AMD do this with eyefinity. But I would think it would be better to Crossfire at least 2x 6950's for flight sim games as they are pretty demanding.

salaxi54
8th December 2011, 10:12
My target simulator is Falcon 4, which is a bit "mature" thus i doubt i'll be needing to invest in a very modern card..

morcar
8th December 2011, 14:50
I would still invest in a really good card though as you wanted the sim to be as good as possible without any frame drop. Plus later on you can get the newer sim games and use those on your setup.

Nice project though i have to admit

salaxi54
8th December 2011, 22:51
Yes, well, that will have to wait for when/if my finances ever get better :)
Meanwhile i'll keep the project budget as low as possible (like always lol)
Anyway, here's some more stuff that just came in..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TOGGLES2.jpg?t=1323379295

salaxi54
16th December 2011, 12:40
Not much lately, due to personal problems, which will slow the pace a lot..:(
However, i managed to steal some time today for the helmet..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/HELMET4.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/HELMET5.jpg

Not yet perfect, but getting there... :)

salaxi54
3rd January 2012, 22:29
Here's what i got for a dimmer. Supposedly supports 8 to 28V LEDs. When time comes i'll let y'all know if it works or not. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DIMMER1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DIMMER2.jpg

Shoonay
3rd January 2012, 22:42
Good luck, very ambitious.

Don't forget to install an ejection seat for the full experience and that extra thrill... :lol:

salaxi54
3rd January 2012, 22:51
Good luck, very ambitious.

Don't forget to install an ejection seat for the full experience and that extra thrill... :lol:

Thanks buddy, indeed i will. As i mentioned initially, i plan to build a two-seater, meaning twice the job.. :nuts:
Here's what an ACES looks like: http://www.avitop.com/interact/ejection.htm

salaxi54
8th January 2012, 21:23
A small update.. My good friend Animagic just sent me a nice little 3.5" LCD screen. This one has a composite Video in connector, and is 12vdc. I plan on using it for the HUD construction. This involves the screen, mirrors, a 5" lens, and a glass or plexiglass projection surface. Time is a luxury this season, and morale too. For the time being it seems i'm only collecting stuff.
Anyway, here's the screen, and the S-Video to RCA adapter to hook it to the graphics card:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN2.jpg

Thanks for the donation George! :arms

mfilos
9th January 2012, 07:13
I have another 2.5 LCD you can have for free my friend :)
We'll talk soon anywayz :D

salaxi54
9th January 2012, 19:23
The always-helpfull Marios! You've been so generous where it involves my projects mate, dunno how to pay back what you've done :oops:
Thanks!
Now, here's an update..
I decided to do a "test drive" of the screen, giving it power from an external USB hard disk case, just to see if it works. There's a 4-pin molex for regular disks from which i drew power over the 12vdc line. This screen has no buttons, no menus, nada. So, when you power it on, you see nothing but a black screen, as if it were shut off. First, i connected a DVD player to it.
Mighty fine picture! Then, i thought of trying the living room HTPC. And the result was more than just sat. :nod:
So, here's some pictures of the test:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN3.jpg
(Shakey are we? lol) Here's the whole whatchamacallit assembly..

A screen from the DVD player startup

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN4.jpg

And then some pics from the login screen of XP.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN5.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN6.jpg

Screenshots just don't do it justice there. Poor camera, probably wrong angle too. But it really looks neat live :)

Here's how i drew power

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN7.jpg

And once again the whole gear..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/35INCHSCREEN8.jpg

Next step is to find out how to invert the picture horizontally. I need to find out how left goes right and vice-versa. Where the HUD is involved, the mirror facing the screen will naturally be projecting the image inverted.
This needs a solution, i assume there's at least 3 alternative ways to go.
My thinking is:
1) Maybe there's a driver that supports the inverted function (not just rotate, or flip vertically, needs to flip horizontally). Up till now, the GF 7300 i tested hasn't got that option using NVidia's menu.
2) Maybe there's a 3rd party utility for such cases, or perhaps a plugin for the Falcon 4 i have to look out for.
3) Perhaps the usage of a second mirror ideally placed to invert the image back to normal before projection.
Yeah, i know, i already have a headache.. :lol::lol::lol:

Ed.D
9th January 2012, 19:37
Are you able to put two lens' stacked to invert the image horizontally again before it hits the mirror? It would mean extending the focal length of the projected image, if you have room.

cosmicfrog
9th January 2012, 20:46
nice cute little screens, not sure if theres a hack for the nivida drivers to flip horz or I fully understand what u want cos way I see it is to flip horizontally is same same rotate 180 degrees and then flip vertcaly but it isn`t the same, ouch my head hurts hehehe still think getting this in ya monitor drivers is best way to go, Love machines with loads of monitors hanging of them, only got 2 here but would love to have more connected

:thumbsup:

salaxi54
9th January 2012, 21:04
Are you able to put two lens' stacked to invert the image horizontally again before it hits the mirror? It would mean extending the focal length of the projected image, if you have room.

I haven't experimented with lenses in the past, so i really don't know much about them actually.. I have found a couple of 5" diameter lens, one is described as a 3-element build, and the other as a 5-element one.
Perhaps there's a single lens that would allow the desired flip, dunno.
Here's where i read all about it concerning the theory behind HUDs: http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/hud/head_up_displays.html
In particular, i was thinking of using the example that appears on http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/images/simhud2.jpg
Now, room is another matter. I'd have to build a temporary case and place things in a manner that i can adjust them and move around.
By the way, here's another very interesting approach, albeit it uses an existing A-7 HUD! http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_021.htm
Now, where's them darned planes when you need to just shoot one down! :lol:

cosmicfrog
9th January 2012, 21:35
Intresting reading about the Combiners, liked the bit on Holographic Combiners


The term “holographic HUD” brings to mind something out of Star Trek or Star Wars, perhaps a little 3D image of a gremlin standing on the aircraft’s nose alerting the pilot to potential threats or targets by making obscene gestures. Sadly, such is not the case. The reality is much more mundane. A holographic HUD simply uses a holographic optical element or HOE as the combiner.

salaxi54
17th February 2012, 15:38
Another minor update. This just came in:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DED1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DED2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DED4.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DED5.jpg

That's a 4x20 character inverted red lcd display, with a USB interface.
Will be useful as a DED (Data Entry Display) whereas it shows comms frequencies and various other data.
Plugs directly to the motherboard.

salaxi54
29th March 2012, 22:29
Well, after quite a while, health is starting to improve :)
So here's a small update:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICP1.jpg

A few of the panels after some coats of spray lacquer. Light does not help in understanding the quality..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICP3.jpg

Here's the ICP on a sheet of plexiglass for cutout measurements. This is a "milky-white" sheet, which helps a lot on backlighting.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICP4.jpg

Now that's some fence-protection material LOL. If anyone knows what an actual ICP looks like, there's some sorta "spacers" between buttons.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICP5.jpg

Of course size does not match (yet), but i'll modify it. Gotta keep a real slow pace for my own good ;)
Stay tuned!

johnim
29th March 2012, 22:39
very nice mate thanks for update

and happy health is starting to improve :thumbsup:

salaxi54
31st March 2012, 14:29
very nice mate thanks for update

and happy health is starting to improve :thumbsup:

Thanks John! Here's the plexiglass cut:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/icpC.jpg

And checked for matching size:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/icpB.jpg

salaxi54
1st April 2012, 11:04
Here's the DED display on its initial setup..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DEDLCD1.jpg

At bootup

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DEDLCD2.jpg

Displaying hardware info. (sorry for the shakey pic)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DEDLCD3.jpg

That's not where it will be settled, it's place is with the cockpit's panels..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DEDLCD4.jpg

Here you can see the connection to the internal USB socket of the mobo.

salaxi54
1st April 2012, 18:42
I sure hope you fellas like long stories, because thiis is going to take quite a while. I've found out that this is a rather big task, involving many different aspects of computing, machinery and carpentry.. :)
Anyway, just another minor update. I hear you saying "what's this?" LOL
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/icpD.jpg

Well, those brown and green caps would be.. milk-bottle caps! One's gotta improvise in these rough times! :lol:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/icpE.jpg
They're going to be used as knobs; actually pot knobs for dimming functions etc. Not their final state yet, and they will be painted accordingly of course.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/icpF.jpg
And some trimming on the panel
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/icpG.jpg

That would be all for today. Stay tuned :thumbsup:

salaxi54
3rd April 2012, 15:28
These vinyl decals just came in.. :whistle:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/DECALS1.jpg

BritishGeek
3rd April 2012, 18:51
Cool, cannot wait to see more pictures of this project :)

Iain

salaxi54
5th April 2012, 21:05
Had some prints made at a local shop..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/PANELSA.jpg

Not much to show yet.. :)

caldari
6th April 2012, 20:43
There si cheap way to make simulator on moving platform, using
car Windshield Washer electromotor or windows power motor
some software
http://www.x-simulator.de/forum/

and you get this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rgwXlD6WHk
there is some easy to connect kontrolers for buttons

i lost my bookmark folder with cockpit bookmarks..

salaxi54
6th April 2012, 20:57
Thanks for the links. However, i prefer to remain on the "static" cockpit build. Not because of complexity, but mainly because of a tight budget, and big size (2-seater in my case)!
Here's one example of a motion simulator from a fellow Greek builder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONjAwKO-IjA&feature=relmfu
Btw, notice his cap, he's using one of those homemade track-ir gadgets.. :)

caldari
8th April 2012, 23:57
Software is MS 2004 or FSX? Or x plane?
3 komands is important Flightstick(joystick) HOTAS (hand on the speed) and rudder pedals...
if you won't make moving platform..
My 2004 is about 80 GB on HDD but i don't play about 4 years...
On this russian site some rudder pedals ideas
http://borada.narod.ru/

salaxi54
9th April 2012, 13:58
Software is Falcon 4 :)
I'm planning on modifying a set of USB pedals i have from a racing controller, and think of a way to mod the steering wheel as a detachable part when i want to play racing games :thumbsup:

Witcher1979
22nd April 2012, 22:45
Check out this guy:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid76675348001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAF4Pseg~,AuucDCy8Ix3VSqgy6atYY7v7OFM-6GmW&bctid=1567769259001

johnim
22nd April 2012, 22:48
thats mad

salaxi54
22nd April 2012, 22:50
Do i hear Amigans calling something mad? :lol::lol:
Nah, it's not mad, it just smells $$$ ...

Geraldine
22nd April 2012, 23:46
You're damn-f***ing crazy... :thumbsup:

Fortunatley,...........I like crazy :thumbsup:

Looking forward to more updates, Amibay is indeed the best forum on the planet. The things you people do! :cool:

Like Merlin I too prefere the prop driven contraptions, so I appeal to you, please add some prop controls too? This rig would be great using IL2 1946! :)

salaxi54
23rd April 2012, 14:43
Thanks for the kind words. Geraldine, when someone decides to build a 'tub' (as the builders like to call them), it's not that feasible to combine the instrumentation and controls of both a modern-day jet fighter and a prop-driven one. Although i won't be mm-acurate on the build, the darn thing will be already so crammed with panels and mechanical gear that i am already headaching over the thought of adding a removable racing-wheel and pedals set.. :picard

caldari
23rd April 2012, 16:30
Software is Falcon 4 :)
I'm planning on modifying a set of USB pedals i have from a racing controller, and think of a way to mod the steering wheel as a detachable part when i want to play racing games :thumbsup:

Racing controler pedals doesn't have movement like airplanes..but....

Merlin
23rd April 2012, 20:28
@ Salaxi54

How about a hidden double pole, double throw switch, that can select between the rudder pedals and the steering wheel? That way, you are using the X-axis for both devices, and I reckon they will use similar resistances in the variable pots that drive the controller's axis of movement.

You would be switching the two outer pins of the pots, leaving the common pole connected on both devices.

There won't be as much movement in the rudder pedals compared to a steering wheel but this is daft enough to work.

If you leave a stub to locate the steering wheel (like an F1 racing wheel) it wouldn't be too noticeable in the cockpit.

Both systems would need brakes. How do the brakes work on an F-16, incidentally..?

Geraldine
23rd April 2012, 23:46
Geraldine, when someone decides to build a 'tub' (as the builders like to call them), it's not that feasible to combine the instrumentation and controls of both a modern-day jet fighter and a prop-driven one.

How about building it in a "modular" form, that way you can swap out the controls as you require? Its true that you will give up some realism if you go that route (love that sticker kit by the way :thumbsup:), but you will end up with a more versatile "tub".

salaxi54
24th April 2012, 01:37
I'll try to answer all the best i can..
@Merlin: Brake activation is applied using the toes on both pedals.
As about the steering while racing vs steering while flying, the racing controller will be used quite 'as is' for cars, while on the Falcon every control is programmed by the user, meaning i can define what i want the pedals to do. As about the steering wheel, i was actually thinking of making it detachable, by utilizing the 'Aircon' unit of the F-16! :o lol
Here's what an aircon looks like:
http://www.f16simulator.nl/images/AIRCO3_01.jpg
http://www.f16simulator.nl/images/AIRCO2_01.jpg
By sliding the steering shaft through that, i just might be able to do something.. The aircon is actually what it says, the airconditoning vent for the cockpit, and it's located between the pilots' legs. Approximately knee-high. As you can all tell, a flight stick would not be ideal for automobile steering, not just because of its location to the right of the pilots' arm, but due to design too.

@Geraldine: A setup like this based on a regular pc could run almost any flight sim out there. But it would be rather impractical!
Try visioning a prop-driven planes' cockpit. Uber-minimalistic in most cases.
And it's not just the few instruments and panels in there, it's also the controls that differ from a modern jet. The stick was usually a long shaft most of the times located front center between the pilots' legs. Or looking similar to a steering wheel sort of thing.
Then you have thrust control which would also be a totally different design.
To give you an idear of what to expect inside an F-16 cockpit, here's a modern (block 52) cockpit layout:
http://www.xflight.de/original/documents/f16c_b50.tif
It really is rather crammed in there...
All the panels and instruments, controls, displays etc. are just not placed in a manner that you could simply remove something and replace it temporarily with something else. :)
And remember, every single panel has got to be wired-up.
I'll return shortly with some pics i took today.

---------- Post added at 02:37 ---------- Previous post was at 02:11 ----------

Here's the full-size prints of the panels (thanks to my good Dutch friend Rien for the plans!) :
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/allpanels1.jpg

So, today i had some spare time with the ICP. Started drilling and cutting some plexiglass. I left the adhesive on mainly for protection.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut1.jpg

Lots more to do on that.. Here's the panel
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut2.jpg

And another piece of plexiglass for the round buttons:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut3.jpg

This is one of the various momentary switches to be used, an ON-OFF-ON type:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut4.jpg

This is where it will be located:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut5.jpg

Here's all the plates together:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut6.jpg

Finally, here's a better view of the 'sandwich' :)
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut7.jpg

Now, remember, the whole set is not yet trimmed, and the panel sheet is a spare one i use for marking the rest of the pieces. More drilling to come, buttons prepared, painted, wired, then it's the pots, case, illumination etc.
And this is just one of the many panels to come.. :nuts:

salaxi54
25th April 2012, 14:40
Here's a minor update on the plexiglass work i did today..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut8.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut10.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut11.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut12.jpg

You can now visualize how the buttons will be placed. (are we having fun yet?) :hammer:

salaxi54
30th April 2012, 14:55
Just a couple of pics from today's work..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut15.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut16.jpg

salaxi54
1st May 2012, 14:30
And some of today's work..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut17.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut18.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut19.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut20.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut21.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut22.jpg

The weather is getting warm, and im'a 'revvin' up.. :laugh:

salaxi54
2nd May 2012, 16:44
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut23.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut24.jpg

johnim
2nd May 2012, 20:34
ooo here comes spagetti nice mate

cosmicfrog
2nd May 2012, 21:32
ooo here comes spagetti nice mate

or cable ties and hot glue :p

either way :thumbsup:

salaxi54
2nd May 2012, 22:48
Cabling will take some time. There's one more momentary switch to be installed, trimming, adapting square buttons on top of the red ones, some painting etc. etc..

salaxi54
11th May 2012, 20:32
Small update..
Here's how the rectangular switches will be 'capped':

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut25.jpg

I got me a mini USB keyboard with keys in sat dimensions for this. A key will be adhered on top of each switch, after it is painted, and covered with a laminated tag. Once the key is ready, it will be spray-lacquered before being secured.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut26.jpg

For each key to sit properly on top of a switch, some dremellin' has to be done. Keys have a shape that helps them to snap on the keyboard, which has to go.
Here's how a key is underneath before i removed the excessive plastic:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut28.jpg

...and after:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut27.jpg

It might not look pretty, but it will not be visible!
Here's the key painted white, and carrying the appropriate tag on top:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut30.jpg

Finally, a couple of pics with the panel showing how the keys look:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut29.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut31.jpg

Now, remember, these are not glued yet in place, and the panel's fascia is the temporary one, for experimentation only!

johnim
11th May 2012, 20:40
wow looking good mate

salaxi54
11th May 2012, 21:02
Thanks John, going through one of those 'too many projects at the same time' phases again, thus the slow pace.. :)

salaxi54
14th May 2012, 18:55
Here's all the caps placed on top of the switches. Not yet glued-on though.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut32.jpg

Stay tuned!

salaxi54
26th May 2012, 20:02
Small update..
Started drilling holes for the leds to illuminate the panel

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut37.jpg

Got me the reset switch that was missing

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut36.jpg

and put in place

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut34.jpg

Had the plexiglass spray-painted in black,
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut33.jpg

And tried on the clean fascia print. Notice the 2-way (on-off-on) have been painted gray.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut35.jpg

Plenty of more details to be done on this panel. :)

salaxi54
27th May 2012, 21:06
Slowly getting there... :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut38.jpg

johnim
27th May 2012, 21:17
oooh can we have a injector seat button too, looking very real :bowdown:

Merlin
27th May 2012, 21:22
oooh can we have a injector seat button too, looking very real :bowdown:
Don't you mean ejector seat John, or do you prefer to be fired under rocket power into the cockpit of a burning plane...??

johnim
27th May 2012, 21:27
yea :oops: still p####d thanks for pointing that out

salaxi54
27th May 2012, 21:32
oooh can we have a injector seat button too, looking very real :bowdown:
Lol, no eject button i'm afraid... it's a handle between the legs, attached to the seat itself! :) http://designer.home.xs4all.nl/aircraft/af-16/f16-seat2.jpg
Thanks for the good words, there's still plenty of detail on this panel to be done though. :thumbsup:

johnim
27th May 2012, 21:40
oh ok nice seat thanks for the pic

salaxi54
30th May 2012, 13:40
Got me the (white)prints for the ejection seat today!
What you see here is a 1:1 scale print, part 1 of 3 which will make cutting the pieces extremely easy.
Personal "assistant" and ICP console displayed for size-comparison :lol:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ACESIIPrints.jpg

johnim
30th May 2012, 14:39
ar so your making the seat yourself

salaxi54
30th May 2012, 14:58
ar so your making the seat yourself

As with everything else John, aye! :thumbsup:

salaxi54
31st May 2012, 09:32
Suppose you 'need' a custom switch.. One that has usually some military use.
Now, suppose you don't have 40-50 bucks spare to purchase a used one..:(
What'd you do? Improvise! :)
The RTN SEQ switch on the ICP panel has a rectangular lever. Since budget is low, i went for the 2 Euro solution.
First i bought a cheap compass:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut39.jpg

Then i removed the one leg
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut40.jpg

I then cut it in pieces
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut41.jpg

And drilled it with a 2.5mm drill lengthwise:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut42.jpg

And finally, slid the switch lever into the opening
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut43.jpg

Presto!
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut44.jpg

Here she is on the panel
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut45.jpg

I call this 'el cheapo switchero rectangularo'! :lol:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut46.jpg

I'm rather pleased with the result, and my wallet is even more pleased.. :thumbsup:

Justin
31st May 2012, 09:50
i f'ing love this thread, please keep the updates coming:)

Witcher1979
31st May 2012, 09:54
i f'ing love this thread, please keep the updates coming:)

I could not agree more.

Ed.D
31st May 2012, 15:27
i f'ing love this thread, please keep the updates coming:)

I could not agree more.


+1 here too. :thumbsup:



I have to ask, Salaxi, how come you mounted the panel switches through wood and plexi glass and not directly into the plexi glass? :huh:


All the best.

salaxi54
31st May 2012, 16:34
Gee, thanks for all the kind comments fellas! :thumbsup:
@Ed.D: Easy to explain! Have a look at a fine replica example:
http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/files/My_ICP_Done.jpg
Notice there's actually three (3) elevations to the fascia!
The frontmost being the one with the 6 round buttons, then the main one with all the rest of the switches, and another underneath it.
As most hobbyists, i chose plexiglass for the 2 of them, but i went a bit different on the bottom one. Reason is, my gear (tools) does not permit me to risk too many errors ($$). I feared if i stress plexiglass enough while fastening the nuts that secure the switches, i would easily have cracks around the holes. Now wood, is a much softer material, and can take more stress than plexi..
However, not all panels will be built like that. Most have just one construction layer. Which means, that i will either have to build them solely out of wood, or borrow/rent quality tools (:picard) to make things safer.
I will be building the smallest panel next just for experimentation using only plexiglass to see how it goes, and decide depending on the results! :)

salaxi54
2nd June 2012, 17:56
Just a small improvement on the round buttons.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut47.jpg

protek
2nd June 2012, 23:51
Whoa that looks totally awesome! My switch panel wasn't even close to that quality. Perhaps that's why I ended up ordering the Saitek Pro Flight panels.

salaxi54
4th June 2012, 15:10
Thanks for the kind words Protek! Now, d'you fellas remember a couple of months ago i showed you some bottle caps? Well, it's time we use them! :)

Had to cut 4 pieces of wood that would fit inside the caps to fill the blank space. (When outta dough one must save on resin...)
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut48.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut49.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut50.jpg

Here's how they fill the blank
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut51.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut52.jpg

This is a dimmer pcb attached to the cap
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut54.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut55.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut56.jpg

And a screw on the outer side
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut57.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut58.jpg

A few coats of white spray...
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut59.jpg

And here's the before,
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut53.jpg

..and after
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut61.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut60.jpg

Some minor details left there.. as always, stay tuned :thumbsup:

salaxi54
10th June 2012, 18:17
Here's another minor update. The 'fingerguards' lol

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut62.jpg

It's the plastic thingies between the square buttons..
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut63.jpg

And buttons in place.. (not yet secured though)
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut64.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut65.jpg

These buggers kept me busy all day, but there's so much detail still to be done.. :)

salaxi54
22nd June 2012, 15:39
Here's a quiz for the electronics wizards!
I need to power 7 (white) LEDs. They're at 3vdc, 0.02 Amps
So, i tested 3 in series, powered by a 12vdc psu, using a 68 Ohm resistor inbetween. So far, so good. The 3 LEDs actually power up, and i have sufficient illumination. My thinking is to do 3 sets:
1x3 LEDs and 2x2 LEDs all sets in series.
The 3-LED set will have the 68 Ohm resistor, and each 2-LED set an 270 Ohm resistor. Can they all be powered though from the same psu, or will it act as if they were all sets connected in parallel?
Thanks for any suggestions! The psu is rated at 4,8 Watts

J.T.Kirk
22nd June 2012, 15:42
I'm not an electronic wizard, but I just want to say that you're doing a fabulous work mate. :thumbsup:

ptyerman
22nd June 2012, 16:06
Here's a quiz for the electronics wizards!
I need to power 7 (white) LEDs. They're at 3vdc, 0.02 Amps
So, i tested 3 in series, powered by a 12vdc psu, using a 68 Ohm resistor inbetween. So far, so good. The 3 LEDs actually power up, and i have sufficient illumination. My thinking is to do 3 sets:
1x3 LEDs and 2x2 LEDs all sets in series.
The 3-LED set will have the 68 Ohm resistor, and each 2-LED set an 270 Ohm resistor. Can they all be powered though from the same psu, or will it act as if they were all sets connected in parallel?
Thanks for any suggestions! The psu is rated at 4,8 Watts

I would say no, not if they're wired in series. At 3v each your 1x3 LED's are pulling 9v and the resistor will add a little to that, and your 2x2 set will require another 12v.

salaxi54
22nd June 2012, 16:13
I would say no, not if they're wired in series. At 3v each your 1x3 LED's are pulling 9v and the resistor will add a little to that, and your 2x2 set will require another 12v.

Hmm! Maybe an alternate connectivity method would do the job?
For instance, if i were to connect 4 LEDs in series, i bet the same 12vdc psu would if be adequate, but i still would need to power another 3 LEDs...
I read in various places that parallel connection is not recommended, but dunno why. It would've been an advantage, cause in series, when 1 LED goes off, they all do! :picard

ptyerman
22nd June 2012, 16:25
I would say no, not if they're wired in series. At 3v each your 1x3 LED's are pulling 9v and the resistor will add a little to that, and your 2x2 set will require another 12v.

Hmm! Maybe an alternate connectivity method would do the job?
For instance, if i were to connect 4 LEDs in series, i bet the same 12vdc psu would if be adequate, but i still would need to power another 3 LEDs...
I read in various places that parallel connection is not recommended, but dunno why. It would've been an advantage, cause in series, when 1 LED goes off, they all do! :picard

Yes, if you wire in parallel then the LED's will be receiving 12v each and the current draw increases by each LED added, wire in series and the current stays almost steady but the voltage is added to by each LED. If they were 12v LED's you would be fine wiring them in parallel but being at 3v they would probably blow! If you could reduce the voltage closer to 3v, you would be fine then, the current rating is plenty for wiring them in parallel.

salaxi54
22nd June 2012, 16:42
Thanks! I'll have to do some calculations for the resistors now.. :)

ptyerman
22nd June 2012, 17:02
Thanks! I'll have to do some calculations for the resistors now.. :)

Bringing the voltage down with resistors should be fine, use 5 watt or higher and keep in mind that they might get quite warm or even hot to the touch. If you can get it down to anywhere around 5v the LED's should be ok at that and bright.

TheCorfiot
22nd June 2012, 19:54
@salaxi

I will post some parts out for you tomorrow my friend.

TC ;)

salaxi54
22nd June 2012, 20:39
@salaxi

I will post some parts out for you tomorrow my friend.

TC ;)

Ooooh! Awesome!! Looking forward to that Bas! :thumbsup:

@all: Thanks for the kind words fellas!

---------- Post added at 21:39 ---------- Previous post was at 21:09 ----------

Forgot to post the usual pic..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut66.jpg

Test-driving the 3 LEDs :-)

salaxi54
24th June 2012, 20:54
Latest update.. Let there be light! :lol:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut67.jpg

Experimentation went well, and as you can probably see, there's 7 LEDs illuminating simultaneously. I did a set of 5 LEDs in series, and another set of 2 LEDs in series, and had the two sets connected to the same power supply hooked in parallel. Yeah, i know :picard
By the way, in order to do that, i chose a 15vdc psu, and had the 5-pack connected with a 270 Ohm resistor, and the 2-pack with a 540 Ohm resistor. What you see here is illumination in max, with the pot in operation.
This will rarely be the case, as i think a lower setting is more ideal, but it's still good to know that the potentiometer is doing its job. :)
Pic is a bit dark, as i opted not to use a flash..

johnim
24th June 2012, 20:56
great mate coming on nicely :thumbsup:

jvdbossc
24th June 2012, 22:28
quite surprising project, but keeps coming in, i love these kind of projects:thumbsup:

ptyerman
25th June 2012, 08:01
Excellent! Does the job nicely. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
29th June 2012, 14:28
Here's a minor update. Not much due to non-hobby obligations...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut68.jpg

All 4 pots are in place, and wiring has started.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut69.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut70.jpg

Got these two beauties in the mail today, all thanks to TheCorfiot!!!
These are Kwik-Lok T-handles, that will be placed on the ejection seat.
Bas was kind enough to bid for me on an evilbay auction, and we got lucky in the end.
Thanks Bas, you're a true gent! :thumbsup:

salaxi54
2nd July 2012, 15:26
Just a few pics of stuff i'm preparing while glue is drying on other parts..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut71.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut72.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut73.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut74.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut75.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut77.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut78.jpg

I know these don't mean much yet, but as soon as it's assembled you'll have a better picture. :)

salaxi54
2nd July 2012, 18:15
Here's the other side of the box assembled. Lots of putty work and sanding ahead.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut79.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut80.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut81.jpg

And just in case anyone is wondering, this is the unit this piece goes to:
http://www.firstbtob.com/upload/a2/330313/1871c6c3c05e453deb1f44ef480a1a86.jpg

johnim
2nd July 2012, 21:58
nice woodworking skills mate

salaxi54
3rd July 2012, 19:26
Thanks John, wood is my favorite material when starting or planning projects! :)
Here's some putty work today.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut82.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut83.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut84.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut85.jpg

Just a preview of how pieces come together..

johnim
3rd July 2012, 19:29
theres no pics mate

J.T.Kirk
3rd July 2012, 19:54
theres no pics mate

I can see them clearly though. :huh:

Merlin
3rd July 2012, 20:04
Me too, Leo...:nod:

johnim
3rd July 2012, 20:10
i see them now maybe they were hiding :)

salaxi54
3rd July 2012, 21:50
i see them now maybe they were hiding :)
It's all due to the stealth-technology material i insist on using from my local hardware store! :thumbsup:

johnim
3rd July 2012, 21:53
:D yea it works tho :thumbsup:

salaxi54
4th July 2012, 20:02
Ultra-busy day today!
These pics don't do justice to the result, there's so much more detail to be added, lots more putty to use, and plenty of sanding before painting it..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut86.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut87.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut88.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut89.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut90.jpg

You guessed it, the magnifying glass is for the HUD indicator.. :)
Stay tuned!

salaxi54
5th July 2012, 20:10
Minor update, added some detail on the unit..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut91.jpg

salaxi54
7th July 2012, 11:47
And a few pics of today's work..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut92.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut93.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut94.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut96.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut97.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut98.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut99.jpg

Ed.D
7th July 2012, 12:00
Nice progress Salaxi. :thumbsup:

With all your fabrication skills maybe you could make molds and replicas of your parts as you're going along and sell them to the flight sim communities.

Geraldine
10th July 2012, 16:39
I have to agree with Ed.D, great progress salaxi! :thumbsup: Also noticed another project similar to yours on the SSC, but this one is aimed at a space sim

http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/topic/2742-pioneer-simpit/

salaxi54
12th July 2012, 19:09
Thanks for the good words my friends! I really don't want to mess much with molds and such, spent so much dough without any good results while doing the Walker replica project, :banghead: thus... i'll keep it solo. :)
Now, what should i name this picture? Perhaps 'putty-party' or 'silly putty'? :lol:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut101.jpg

Anyway, God knows i hate sanding, but it's a must in such cases...
A few more rounds and she'll be heading for paint.

salaxi54
18th July 2012, 01:30
Another minor update, started the HUD's glass-holding brackets.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut103.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut104.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut107.jpg

Best finish those off first, and then do the paint job of the assembly... :)

djos
18th July 2012, 06:08
Amazing HUD module so far but you may wish slim down the HUD Glass holder or you'll compromise your vision. The F16 unit below doesnt extend much at all past the glass, is more upright and seems to minimize sideways vision blockage. :)

http://www.firstbtob.com/upload/a2/330313/1871c6c3c05e453deb1f44ef480a1a86.jpg

salaxi54
18th July 2012, 15:04
Thanks for your suggestions djos, there's a few 'but' in this case;
You see, there's so many variations to an F-16, and even more variations to its sub-components, that it's rather difficult to decide which ones to pick!
For example, here's a few of the HUD variety:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/JimKeane/F-16%20Parts/F16CWideHUD_2526_resize.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/f16hud.jpg/

http://www.baesystems.com/cs/groups/public/documents/digitalmedia/mdaw/mdy2/~edisp/~extract/BAES_058242~1~staticrendition/492x277.jpg

As about it supposed to be more of an upright position, well it actually is.
Fact is, the pictures i upped show the unit laying on its bottom, whereas you can not estimate the correct angle.
Actual position is rather like:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut108.jpg

But that will become apparent once it's placed in its final position..
The brackets were copied from a schematic i got of the Block 30 MDU.
Vision will be fine, the glass has been tested with the magnifier lense, and has projected data satisfactory. A little further behind the HUD glass will be the normal LCD monitor displaying the outside view.

djos
19th July 2012, 00:03
Thanks for your suggestions djos, there's a few 'but' in this case;
You see, there's so many variations to an F-16, and even more variations to its sub-components, that it's rather difficult to decide which ones to pick!
But that will become apparent once it's placed in its final position..

True, I found the one I thought was most practical for your cockpit build and least likely to block the view of your screens. :cool:




The brackets were copied from a schematic i got of the Block 30 MDU.
Vision will be fine, the glass has been tested with the magnifier lense, and has projected data satisfactory. A little further behind the HUD glass will be the normal LCD monitor displaying the outside view.

Cool, cant wait to see the result. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
19th July 2012, 16:43
Here's another update on a two coat coverage..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut109.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut110.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut111.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut112.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut113.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut114.jpg

I've noticed a few (minor) details that need correcting, but generally speaking, that's how it'll look.. :)

salaxi54
22nd July 2012, 23:03
Today's work adds two pieces to the HUD. These two wooden parts are the ones that the projection glass will slide through..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut118.jpg

Plenty of detail to be added on 'em. :)

djos
23rd July 2012, 00:24
Hey Salaxi, before you get much further with the HUD section I strongly recommend you make a sight-line mockup. eg create your monitors in paper/cardboard and set it up so your view is as it would be in the completed cockpit.

As mentioned before I reckon that version of the F-16 HUD is going to really obscure your left to right scanning view of your monitors (and probably why in the real F-16 they moved to the far trimmer version below):

http://www.firstbtob.com/upload/a2/330313/1871c6c3c05e453deb1f44ef480a1a86.jpg

johnim
23rd July 2012, 00:30
wow that looks great mate

salaxi54
23rd July 2012, 01:15
Why thanks fellas! @djos: there's great flexibility on the OF simulator.
Which means, what the main monitor (front) shows is like a free-view camera, no cockpit or other instrumentation (not even the HUD), something like a bird-eye view actually. I much preffer that to having a bunch of things occupying at least half of the screen. This screenshot will show you what stuff will be avoided:
http://static.strategyinformer.com/r/screenshots/00018358.jpg
Now, imagine that picture solely with scenery, nothing else!
Enter, the cockpit! All instruments and controls will be placed physically just like in the real plane, and data will be projected on various monitors.
There's a few utilities (plug-ins) for the Falcon, such as MFD Extractor and FalconGauges that take advantage of multiple monitors to send instrument screens to them.

djos
23rd July 2012, 01:39
Oh nice, that does look awesome! :cool:

Ed.D
23rd July 2012, 10:19
General Dynamics will be offering you job soon :thumbsup:

salaxi54
24th July 2012, 16:37
This just came in today!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut119.jpg

10mm thickness, camera don't do it justice, cause it's wider on the flat side! ;)

Here's one of the brackets where the glass will slide into:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut120.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut121.jpg

Lots of sanding and putty will do the job on these parts, so not yet perfect...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut122.jpg
This is how the glass will be positioned (roughly)

And here's the two brackets, one 'carved' the other not yet.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut123.jpg

As always, stay tuned! :)

johnim
24th July 2012, 19:27
great mate what will be the full size of the cockpit when built

salaxi54
25th July 2012, 14:44
It will occupy the better part of 4 meters in length (will depend on some superstructure), and 1,20 mtr in width. :)

salaxi54
25th July 2012, 18:23
Here's another update with the glass in place, still a little trimming required though. But generally speaking, i hope you get the idea of where things go.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut124.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut125.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut126.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut127.jpg

Later! :thumbsup:

GTEdward
26th July 2012, 13:17
I'am impressed that looks very good.
How long is this project going on now?

salaxi54
26th July 2012, 13:55
Thanks, it's been going on since last November, but family and health problems have really put a brake to my pace.
Been talking to other pit-builders, some of which have taken up to 10 years to finish! But it all depends on various factors of course. Most of all financial, but i have a tendency to be on the 'cheap side'.
I mostly use scrap wood that's been laying around for a while, and don't really want to be precise in replicating the real cockpit.
When i discuss my hobbies with local (Greek) friends, i always tell them that i believe in the 3-X parameters.
X - Χώρος (Space)
Χ - Χρόνος (Time)
Χ - Χρήμα (Money)
Those, if aplenty, should be able to cover anything you put in mind.. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
27th July 2012, 21:53
Lots of sanding and putty time again! :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut128.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut129.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut130.jpg

I have decided to experiment with a different solution instead of wood putty this time. We call it 'plastic steel' here, and it actually is 2-part cement epoxy. While not actually made for this sort of use, i found it to suit my needs better. It covers wood's pores completely, and helps avoid dents and flakes of wood while sanding or filing.

salaxi54
28th July 2012, 16:07
And another update. The brackets and glass were assembled today.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut131.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut132.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut133.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut134.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut135.jpg

Finally had the chance to put a set of stickers up. :lol:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut136.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/ICPcut137.jpg

salaxi54
29th July 2012, 13:34
Alrighty then, we've 40 degrees Celsius today, good for woodworks! :lol:
I don't suppose you can guess what this next picture is all about...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT1.jpg

These are the two side panels of the ejection seat. And if you cannot estimate the size, total height on these sheets is 88 cm. I hope this seat will be my office chair sooner or later.. :picard

GTEdward
29th July 2012, 16:05
Keep up the good work.
Thats ok that your not using "expensive"material.
It looks proffesional.
I'am looking forward to the end result.

Skyrunner
29th July 2012, 19:52
Lieutenant, I'll start dusting my anti-G suit.

salaxi54
29th July 2012, 20:29
Thanks fellas, i'm really struggling not to let any free time pass wasted!


Lieutenant, I'll start dusting my anti-G suit.

You do that! Here's what you should expect once it's ready:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfbp3YX9F0
:lol::D:p

Merlin
29th July 2012, 21:46
@ Salaxi54

Top Gun has just a little too much male bonding in it for my tastes; I thought you might be more of an Iron Eagle type....

Here's Top Gun Recut..... as a love story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXxi9IKZSA

[/anorak on]
If you tried to land an F-16 on a carrier, the landing gear would snap off, it's just not strong enough for the loading of that sort of landing. The usual carrier fighter was the McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, not the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon.
[/anorak off]

Here's a Hellenic Air Force F-16.... some pr0n for Vasilios....

http://img.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4265/medium/Greek_F-16D.jpg

salaxi54
29th July 2012, 22:03
@ Salaxi54

That film has just a little too much male bonding in it for my tastes; I thought you might be more of an Iron Eagle type....

[/anorak on]
If you tried to land an F-16 on a carrier, the landing gear would snap off, it's just not strong enough for the loading of that sort of landing. The usual carrier fighter was the McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, not the General Dynamics F-16.
[/anorak off]

Merl, i am pretty aware of which aircraft is suited for carriers, and the F-16 is not one of them. However, being a Navy retired, i have a soft spot for Naval aviation.. :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

---------- Post added at 23:03 ---------- Previous post was at 22:54 ----------

Nice pic there! Did you know that the US Navy actually bases F-16s at 5 stations? http://www.f-16.net/units_airforce166.html
I happen to have some pics taken when dropping by Miramar, i think i should dig 'em out, surely they'll be of some interest! :)

Merlin
29th July 2012, 22:03
/Merlin runs off, before Salaxi54 gets a chance to tell him where that soft spot might be located.....:blink: :wooha:

:run:

salaxi54
29th July 2012, 22:10
/Merlin runs off, before Salaxi54 gets a chance to tell him where that soft spot might be located.....:blink: :wooha:

:run:


:lol::lol::lol::lol: I'll be upping some pics from Top Gun in a moment!

Skyrunner
29th July 2012, 22:18
@ Salaxi54

Top Gun has just a little too much male bonding in it for my tastes; I thought you might be more of an Iron Eagle type....



You could be right but judging by the cover... there's just too much meat in Iron Eagle.

http://www.amibay.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31945&stc=1&d=1343592915

salaxi54
29th July 2012, 22:20
Ok, here's the few i could find for now, these were shot at Miramar, August 1986. Guaranteed not to be found elsewhere! :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TG1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TG2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TG3.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TG4.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TG5.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TG6.jpg

I hope you enjoy them!

Merlin
29th July 2012, 22:21
At least Iron Eagle had F-16s in it, which is more than I can say for Top Gun.

F-14s and Northrop T-38 Talons were in Top Gun. I had to laugh at the Talons painted black, with red stars on them - they were supposed to be the bad guys :lol:

Edit: AV-8B Harrier, A-4 Skyhawk, E-2C Hawkeye and the small one with the contrail could be an F-16.

salaxi54
29th July 2012, 22:27
I had to laugh at the Talons painted black, with red stars on them - they were supposed to be the bad guys :lol:

Edit: AV-8B Harrier, A-4 Skyhawk, E-2C Hawkeye and the small one with the contrail could be an F-16.

Lol, nice US-made MIGs! hehe Yup, that's the same F-16 that's on the ground.:thumbsup:

protek
29th July 2012, 22:32
I had to laugh at the Talons painted black, with red stars on them - they were supposed to be the bad guys :lol:

Edit: AV-8B Harrier, A-4 Skyhawk, E-2C Hawkeye and the small one with the contrail could be an F-16.

Lol, nice US-made MIGs! hehe Yup, that's the same F-16 that's on the ground.:thumbsup:

Hah! It was hilarious back in the cold war. I remember seeing the Iron Eagle 2, which had F-4 Phantoms as Mig-29's. In fact, the first movie I remember having real Russian fighters, was 007: Goldeneye.

salaxi54
1st August 2012, 14:16
Come this autumn, i believe at least i'll be having a new office chair!
This is as far as i got on the ejection seat till now, but moving along quite fast.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT3.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT4.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT5.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT6.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT7.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT8.jpg

Now, remember, these are pieces i cut from scrap wood i had, so cost was actually nill. The inner skeleton is not actually in place, you'd have to imagine it lifted a few centimeters up. Lots more to be cut.. :picard

djos
1st August 2012, 14:18
Your mad wood working skillz continue to impress! :cool:

salaxi54
1st August 2012, 14:22
Your mad wood working skillz continue to impress! :cool:

Thanks mate, i would've been faster if parameter = 'real life' wasn't in the way... But i promised myself when starting this, that i wouldn't let a day go by without doing even the tiniest of additions, be it cut, glue, sand, paint, or just plain ol' reading plans! :)

djos
1st August 2012, 14:28
Thanks mate, i would've been faster if parameter = 'real life' wasn't in the way... But i promised myself when starting this, that i wouldn't let a day go by without doing even the tiniest of additions, be it cut, glue, sand, paint, or just plain ol' reading plans! :)
Yeah I know the feeling, Funding and Real Life (including very cute 15 month old Daughter) are slowing down my 500+ restoration/enhancement project too. :p

I'm slowly buying and restoring all my old fav computers from the 80's/90's - I have the C64 & A500+ but would love to add an Apple ][e, Mac ][, Amstrad CPC6128, Tandy 1000ex and a Mac Classic to the collection! (im totally dreaming according to my wife!) :D

salaxi54
1st August 2012, 14:37
(im totally dreaming according to my wife!) :D
Lol, according to my wife, i'm crazy enough to bring to life everything i target. So, after 26 years she's given up hope.. :thumbsup:

djos
1st August 2012, 23:42
(im totally dreaming according to my wife!) :D
Lol, according to my wife, i'm crazy enough to bring to life everything i target. So, after 26 years she's given up hope.. :thumbsup:
That's the spirit! :cool:

salaxi54
4th August 2012, 15:20
Today's updates involve the seat belt rollers.
Luckilly, this 'steam-punk' mechanism will not be visible, so i didn't need to worry about looks. As long as it's efficient! :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT11.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT12.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT13.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT14.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT15.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT16.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT17.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT18.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT19.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT20.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT21.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT22.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT23.jpg

And here's a piece of the right footguard..
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT10.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT9.jpg

I hope to have more stuff added tomorrow. :nuts:

AmiNeo
4th August 2012, 15:52
The time and skill going into this is insane! I'm really looking forwards to seeing the final result! :thumbsup:

salaxi54
6th August 2012, 00:57
Thanks mate, this will be a long jurney..
Haven't had much free time this Sunday, but managed to add a few bits.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT24.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT25.jpg

cosmicfrog
6th August 2012, 09:31
coming along in its own good time :thumbsup:

personally I`m looking forward to seeing most of it put together, then I can get a sense of the size of the thing, coz I know it an`t going be small

salaxi54
7th August 2012, 14:02
Ribbitin' thanks! Yes, it'll be big!
Here's todays work.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT26.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT27.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT30.jpg

The two diagonal ribs were the most difficult cuts till now.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT28.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT29.jpg

Note: these parts are all cut by hand saw! :hammer:

johnim
7th August 2012, 19:22
have missed a few posts you have been busy mate :thumbsup:

protek
7th August 2012, 20:01
I can only read in awe. :bowdown:

salaxi54
7th August 2012, 23:22
Thanks fellas, your comments keep me going! :thumbsup:

djos
7th August 2012, 23:32
I can only read in awe. :bowdown:
+1 :cool:

salaxi54
8th August 2012, 15:43
Here's some of today's work.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT37.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT38.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT39.jpg

And this is what i like to call "adequate precision". :lol:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT35.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT36.jpg

Sides are not yet attached, there's a few more bits to be added, but pics were taken solely for estimation purposes..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT31.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT32.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT33.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT34.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT40.jpg

I can safely say that this seat is the most complex wooden construction i ever made. Stay tuned! :thumbsup:

djos
8th August 2012, 22:53
Nice work. :)

Just out of curiosity, how far back is the seat going to lean? iirc one reason the F-16 can pull 9g turns is due to the somewhat laid back seating position?


http://www.hyperscale.com/galleries/2001/images/f16cockpitab_1.JPG

salaxi54
8th August 2012, 23:10
Thanks dj, the part i've already assembled is about 88 cm in height. If you're into trigonometry, you might be able to calculate it, given that the 'leaning angle' is 30 degrees from vertical. But since i haven't reached total height yet, i estimate it to be aprox. 1 mtr (for the seat's height that is)..

djos
8th August 2012, 23:12
cool, maths isnt my strong suit so i'll leave that to you. :D

salaxi54
8th August 2012, 23:21
Here's a real nice drawing from viperpits:

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm64/NigelTufnel11/3caf983c.jpg

Taken that from point A (the bottom of the guiding rail) upto the next vertical line the distance is 528,8 mm i would say around 60-65 cm is as far back as the seat would lean..

salaxi54
9th August 2012, 20:00
Here's some progress on the seat for today.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT41.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT42.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT43.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT44.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT45.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT46.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT47.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT48.jpg

salaxi54
12th August 2012, 14:11
Been a little busy lately...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT49.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT50.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT52.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT53.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT54.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT55.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT56.jpg

Please note, that the sides are not yet fastened (bolted) to the center assembly, so it all apears a bit loose.. :)

AmiNeo
12th August 2012, 18:00
Just want to say that I really admire your tenacity for this project! It will be an awesome achievement once its built, I marvel at each new piece that pops up. I only wish I had the ollies to hone skills of that magnitude :thumbsup:

Tomse
12th August 2012, 18:54
awesome work my friend.. can't wait to see more pics
And when does your arcade room open ?

salaxi54
12th August 2012, 20:36
Well thanks fellas, i appreciate your comments! :thumbsup:
@Tomse: The 'arcade room' as you call it will take a really long time to be complete, but at least i got the arcade cabinet to keep me relaxed when i'm not constructing the cockpit. :)
I wanted to start with the (first) ejection seat for the basic parts of the construction, because i realize that summer is ending, and i just hate working out in the cold when winter shows up. Although i started with the ICP and HUD unit, i did that on purpose, in order to justify continuing the whole project. I simply wanted to make sure i could cope with building my own panels and instrumentation, otherwise this would be a no-go deal!
Y'all realize that this is an ultra-low budget construction; haven't yet spent a single cent on lumber, and hope to continue that way. After all, if surfaces are treated right and painted properly, no one will be able to tell where the wood originated from (if not following the construction pics). ;)

DaZZaBoY
12th August 2012, 21:43
Now this is a project and a half! :o

Will be watching closely.. keep up the good work.

Tomse
12th August 2012, 21:53
low budget is good.. it only means that stuff don't get thrown out just because it's old... I made a bird feeder house out of some packing wood.

btw.. how is the HUD going to work ? and can we get a sneak peak ?

salaxi54
12th August 2012, 22:07
Now this is a project and a half! :o

Will be watching closely.. keep up the good work.

Thanks a lot! Will do.


low budget is good.. it only means that stuff don't get thrown out just because it's old... I made a bird feeder house out of some packing wood.

btw.. how is the HUD going to work ? and can we get a sneak peak ?

That's the spirit. Now, about the HUD.. It is a bit early for a sneak peak, because not all the ingredients are in place yet. If you go back to post #30 you'll see a miniature monitor. Data for the HUD will be displayed on it, reflected on a mirror, projected through the magnifier to the final glass.

Tomse
12th August 2012, 22:11
Interesting, I'll be waiting patiently, or impatiently :lol:

salaxi54
13th August 2012, 14:21
Not much today, but i added the seatbox front piece, and bolted the left side panel..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT59.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT57.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT58.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT60.jpg

salaxi54
17th August 2012, 17:50
Some minor updates. A few pieces added, such as the vertical crossbrace in the seatbox, and a couple of vertical ribs at the back.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT61.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT62.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT65.jpg

Next part is the seatpan ribs, which i started cutting today..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT66.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT67.jpg

You can see the complexity of the whole assembly, and this is the easy part! Fear is in the 'skinning' process.

salaxi54
22nd August 2012, 14:21
Well among family and personal life, i still get some time to keep going..
Plus there's so many other projects running along (multitasker) :lol:
Anyway, here's what's been added:
Seat box lid

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT73.jpg

Seatpan, thick sonofagun! (28mm MDF)
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT74.jpg

And, some spars and ribs...
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT75.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT76.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT77.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT78.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT79.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT80.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT81.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT82.jpg

Every piece, no mtter how big or small, is copied from the plans on a 1:1 scale on paper as a footprint, and sketched on wood then cut.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT83.jpg

Once cut, minor differences are marked, and it gets trimmed down by filling or / and sanding.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT84.jpg

This is another example, of a side pattern, which needs to be cut from metal sheet. Good think i got a few pc cases collecting dust around here; i just love destroying pc tower panels for the sake of my projects! :p
Stay tuned.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT85.jpg

protek
22nd August 2012, 16:47
You clearly have a future in manufacturing custom furniture. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
23rd August 2012, 20:34
You clearly have a future in manufacturing custom furniture. :thumbsup:

Thanks, but naahh. Tried that many moons ago, and all of a sudden my waist betrayed me! Still paying up the consequences... :picard
Anyway, here's another update. This came in a few days ago:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/THROTTLE8.jpg

Super Dry Huggies! Yeahh! :lol: But, wait, wha's innit??

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK1.jpg

Ooo, a flight stick! But wait, there's more underneath:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/THROTTLE9.jpg

A throttle controller! Now the copilot will have his gear waiting for him. :)
Nuff with packages, let's get to some real work. Today was metalworks day. There's a couple of metal sheets that need to be attached to the sides of the seat. Here's the pattern from the plans.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT86.jpg

All i had to do, was find a donor pc tower, and cut some cover..
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT87.jpg

It's all hand work here, most power tools cost, and i intend to stay el cheapo!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT88.jpg

First piece done!
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT89.jpg

And tested..
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT90.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT91.jpg

Here's the donor pc part. I'm sure Rogerio would've preffered an Atari tower, but that's all i got. :p
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT92.jpg

Both pieces ready.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT93.jpg

And a check on the second one.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT94.jpg

Well, that's all for today, we're going through a heatwave actually, and staying out for too long is not a great idea. Stay tuned! :thumbsup:

johnim
23rd August 2012, 22:43
nice box of huggies. good idea to reuse old case

salaxi54
24th August 2012, 20:52
Thanks John, it's a constant effort to improvise, meaning to save $$$.:)
When this whole project is finished (wishful thinking) i'll make a sum to show how much i spent for it, and a rough estimate of how much i actually saved compared to buying ready parts/kits.
Today i managed to cut a few more pieces to add to the puzzle. Here's what's new, although they're not filed or secured in place yet.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT95.jpg

salaxi54
28th August 2012, 20:05
Latest update involves the shaping of the seatpan pieces.
Meaning lots of sanding, cutting, filling.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT96.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT97.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT98.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT99.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT100.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT101.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT102.jpg

It might not look like much of a difference, but these pieces took a lot of effort to assemble. Soon i hope to be ready for the skinning process. :)

keitha
28th August 2012, 20:23
Awesome! :wooha: :thumbsup:

johnim
28th August 2012, 20:51
Awesome! :wooha: :thumbsup: +1

:thumbsup:

salaxi54
29th August 2012, 15:32
Thanks folks, i'll try my best. Today i started the 'skinning' process. First time for me, so i don't expect it to be perfect, as long as it's visually acceptable. ;)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT104.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT105.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT106.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT107.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT108.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT109.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT110.jpg

You can see that part of the aluminum sheet is not yet fastened. This is a delicate process, and requires extreme caution. It will easily take a couple more days just for the seatpan! Stay tuned!

salaxi54
29th August 2012, 20:11
Well, i just couldn't wait till tomorrow, so i 'stole' some time, and proceeded on skinning some more...
Here's the results so far:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT111.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT112.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT113.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT114.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT115.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT116.jpg

That's definitely all for today. :thumbsup:

protek
29th August 2012, 22:21
FLUSH RIVETS!! :p :)
http://images.mises.org/AviatorRivetlessReflection.jpg

Seriously, awesome work! :thumbsup:

johnim
29th August 2012, 22:34
yea great work mate :thumbsup:

are you having a heater for the seat

djos
30th August 2012, 00:44
Nice work salaxi, amazing attention to detail! :cool:

salaxi54
30th August 2012, 14:29
Thanks fellas, i appreciate your comments!


yea great work mate :thumbsup:

are you having a heater for the seat

Nahh, there'll be an option for A/C available, but it will be rather long before i activate it!
I managed to finish skinning the seatpan today.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT117.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT118.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT119.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT120.jpg

Sadly my arms muscles seem to have taken quite some stress from this, and now i'm on pain relievers. Hope i'll be feeling better to continue tomorrow.

johnim
31st August 2012, 00:46
nice work mate i hope your arms get a rest now:thumbsup:

salaxi54
31st August 2012, 13:04
Thanks John, pills seem to have worked out. Although i didn't do much today, at least i had a small forward...
Here's the seatpan with plenty of putty and sanding:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT123.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT124.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT125.jpg

And this is a part of the headrest

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT121.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT122.jpg

salaxi54
1st September 2012, 15:15
Some more work on the headrest today...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT126.jpg

Lots of file and rasp usage! Here's turning a block of wood into some curved shape.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT127.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT129.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT130.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT131.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT132.jpg

We've twins! :p
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT133.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT134.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT135.jpg

Stay tuned! :)

salaxi54
2nd September 2012, 18:48
And a little more work on the headrest for today..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT136.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT137.jpg

salaxi54
5th September 2012, 21:36
Not much free time lately, but i had a small progress..
Here's part of the headrest fastened, and the main chute box behind it.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT139.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT140.jpg

Here's how i decided to fasten the chute box to the top of the seat.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT141.jpg

This part of the assembly has quite a few more pieces to be added, plus putty treatment etc. before considered complete. So what you're seeing is nothing near done. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT142.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT143.jpg

salaxi54
6th September 2012, 16:34
Today i started 'skinning' the back piece. Not much yet, but it proves far harder to shape than the seatpan...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT144.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT145.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT146.jpg

salaxi54
7th September 2012, 22:09
Here's the development of 'skinning' the back for today..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT153.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT154.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT157.jpg

Stubborn sonofagun that aluminum sheet! Anyway, i hope to have this part covered in a day or two.. :)

Pixie
8th September 2012, 19:33
I'm impressed. Youre taking this to a whole new level. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
9th September 2012, 20:26
Thanks Pixie, this is getting even more difficult as i proceed, but i am confident that the outcome will reward me.. :thumbsup:
I managed to finish skinning the back today, and here's the results.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT159.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT163.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT165.jpg

Lots of more details to be added to the seat, so stay tuned! :)

ByteRyder
9th September 2012, 20:30
Good job. I'm kooking forward to see that when it's done. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
9th September 2012, 20:46
Thanks ByteRyder, if you mean the whole cockpit, it will deffinitely be months -if not years- to complete, and remember, i'm headed for a 2-seater!
If it's the ACES (ejection seat) you reffer to, this will probably be complete within this month. People i observe in relative forums take as much as 10 years at times to claim having completed their pits!
And it's pretty understandable, given the costs of all the peripherals, and difficulty in ordering from various countries of origin.
There's people out there doing massive productions of replica parts, some of which happen to have original F-16 parts in their hands! :blink:
A 'minority' decides to go the DIY route, spending a longer time to build things out of zilch, using common everyday material -as is my case- trying to keep the budget low. Some succeed, others give up on the way. I pray i won't follow the latter bounch..
However, i have been fortunate so far, having a rather big pile of scrap lumber. Thus, i've spent 0 on wood. Amibay has helped me a lot too, such friendly people out there donating small and big gadgets to me, and i'm simply more than gratefull for their generosity. :thanks:

salaxi54
16th September 2012, 16:28
A minor update; i've been working on the headrest, and the left side of the seat.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT167.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT168.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT166.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT169.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT170.jpg

Lots of putty and epoxy on various spots...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT171.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT173.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/seat182.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT184.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT185.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT186.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT187.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT189.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT190.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT191.jpg

Stay tuned :)

vibros
16th September 2012, 19:43
Hello,

interesting project, but i wait the last picture...see you next year :cool:

lolafg
16th September 2012, 21:48
:wooha: Amazing :wooha:

:thumbsup:A lot of work , no doubts , will stay tuned for sure !!

salaxi54
16th September 2012, 22:45
Thanks a lot fellas! I really don't know how long it will take to finish.
Started working on other parts too, today it was the stickbase. To give you an idea, here's a pic of what i mean:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/F-16D_cockpit_at_EFKA.jpg
If you observe the bottom of the joystick, you'll have a better idea of what it is.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK3.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK4.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK5.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK6.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK7.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK8.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK11.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK12.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK13.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK15.jpg

Pixie
18th September 2012, 01:11
Good progression. It looks heavy you'll need a hardcore ejection rocket to get that thing out of the cockpit :) :thumbsup:

wil you atach a joystick to that thing or rather what joystick are you gona use?

Lookin forward to se the end result :)

salaxi54
19th September 2012, 07:37
Thanks Pixie, yes it's heavy! But, (don't tell anyone :shhh: ) i'm not actually going to eject it! :lol:
As about the joystick, yes, i already have a Saitek X36 which i plan on exercizing an 'ORDALT' on. (ORDALT = Ordnance Alteration lol )
So, here's the latest work:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK16.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK18.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK19.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK22.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK24.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK31.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK35.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK36.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK37.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK39.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK47.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK45.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK48.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK33.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK34.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK38.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK40.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK41.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK42.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK43.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK44.jpg

Lots more details to be added... :)

Pixie
19th September 2012, 22:56
I must say youre a skilled model maker. It realy looks like the real thing.
Do you do all the cutting by hand?

What machine are you planing to run the flight sim on and what flight sim wil you use ? ( I think i read it in an older post by you but i can't recall)
I told a friend of mine about your prodject and he was realy stooked.


:thumbsup:

salaxi54
20th September 2012, 00:29
Well, most everything on this part was cut by hand, only power tool was a drill to open holes at the center of the cylinder..
The simulator is Falcon 4, will be running more than adequately on a C2Duo @2.66 Ghz.

salaxi54
21st September 2012, 23:30
I decided to go a bit further, and started another parts' sculpting...
That's the ORDALT i was talking about a few days ago. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK49_zps439906c1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK50_zps3694de9b.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK51_zpsfa053bee.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK53_zps511a4636.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK57_zps8e403b8a.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK59_zps12c6171e.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK61_zps0d21ea95.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK62_zps6521542f.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK63_zpsa28e5f30.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK64_zpsa0063209.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK65_zps3afe76ed.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK66_zps5b5709bd.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK67_zps63b93dd6.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK69_zps702c98af.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK71_zps1f028cd0.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK72_zps2cc5c713.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK74_zps3c3e26fb.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK75_zps965206cb.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK76_zps03630bd4.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK78_zpsef47bd69.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK80_zps4382bdb3.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK81_zps54349ecc.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK82_zpsb4cce7d8.jpg

I know you guys like lots of pics, but really hope this is not too much!
Anyway, this is my visual aid stuff:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK83_zpsff15c968.jpg

stephen202
22nd September 2012, 00:18
I am honestly amazed by your work! If only I had the skill or patience to do this. And it all on low budget:wooha:

djos
22nd September 2012, 01:36
So impressive, this thread is total construction pr0n! :cool:

johnim
22nd September 2012, 12:10
more great pics and skills mate :thumbsup:

but dont get to heavy handed when using the stick

salaxi54
23rd September 2012, 23:01
Thank you all once again for your comments fellas!
Here's today's progress on the stick..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK88_zps4b287acf.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK89_zps4ed8fd4a.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK90_zps133dd898.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK91_zps2508d22f.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK92_zps5e91765b.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK93_zps7f9c47eb.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK95_zpse7ffd9f6.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK96_zps636d4c23.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK97_zpsaed65866.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK99_zpsc80e6f33.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK100_zps03090b8a.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK102_zps672a8989.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK103_zps1b8cdb9d.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK104_zps112ba6bf.jpg

Pixie
24th September 2012, 00:48
Keep the pics comming!

Realy nice work :thumbsup:

Ed.D
24th September 2012, 19:16
Should have made that control stick in walnut burl and varnished it, it's a very nice sculpture.

If you need any details or measurments for that piece, let me know as I have a HOTAS Cougar.

Alll the best :thumbsup:

salaxi54
24th September 2012, 21:54
Gee thanks folks! Ed.D i just might take your offer soon. I could use the dimensions of the extreme top section. :)
Now, as an act of generosity, my friend Mfilos has donated to me an 8" TFT monitor. This shall be used towards the instrumentation.
Marios, thanks is just not enough! :bowdown:
Here's the screen:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SCREEN1.jpg

Ed.D
26th September 2012, 01:32
Hi Salaxi54,

Here are the dimensions you asked for in the included image.

The buttons: There are 4 hat switches on the joystick controller and two more on the throttle controller. I suppose any of them can be 8-way using a combination of two inputs.

Here's a link to the Cougar HOTAS page which shows some pictures of all the buttons. I'm guessing you have these already. :)

http://cougar.flyfoxy.com/hatsandbuttons.php (http://cougar.flyfoxy.com/hatsandbuttons.php)


The 60mm and 65mm dim's are the outer edge measurements of the curved vertical surfaces, sloping in towards the top, if you see what I mean.

You know where I am if you need more. :thumbsup:




http://webed.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pics/cougardims.jpg

salaxi54
27th September 2012, 17:12
Thanks a whole lot Ed! This came out real handy. :thumbsup:
So, here's the latest progress:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK121.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK122.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK123.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK124.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK125.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK126.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK127.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK128.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK129.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK130.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK131.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK133.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK134.jpg

And, what i thought was, that the top cap section would come out rather fragile when i cut it off the rest of the stick:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK142.jpg

So, i decided to replicate that piece. It's the one marked with black pen.
And this is where a mold comes in handy! :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK135.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK136.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK137.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK138.jpg

I know what you're thinking: what on earth is this? LOL
But it has been 'designed' to make room just enough for that section to be molded.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK139.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK140.jpg

The stick is not touching the bottom, and has a free space of 0,5 cms.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK141.jpg

Silicon-based rubber is the name of the game, and it's waiting time now.
Hopefully this will have cured by tomorrow. :whistle:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK143.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK144.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK145.jpg

Here's the play stuff:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK146.jpg

And while waiting, i had a little something done to the ejection seat..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT196.jpg

Stay tuned fellas!

johnim
27th September 2012, 19:35
hi i dont think you can say this so many times but nice work mate

jimbob
27th September 2012, 19:48
:wooha:This is looking too good! Great attention to detail and great skills to fashion this out of what looks like mostly scrap materials. End result should be pretty spectacular.

How does something qualify to be a legendary photo booth thread?

johnim
27th September 2012, 19:54
Yea i think it does moving :thumbsup:

great work

AmiNeo
27th September 2012, 22:10
You're even making your own joystick!? EPIC! :lol:

salaxi54
27th September 2012, 23:04
Fellas, i'm deeply honoured by the 'move'. :arms
It's times like this that make me give a little push to my powers.
So, ladies and gents, without further ado, i hereby present you... the mould!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK147.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK148.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK149.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK150.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK151.jpg

This is how miraculusly easy the rubber peels off the prototype:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK152.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK153.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK154.jpg

It looks kinda filthy, but it's only from the wood print. Once the resin dries into the mould, i'll make it turn out a whole lot better. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK155.jpg

I usually don't do so important stuff late at night, but thought you guys deserve a little treat. :thumbsup: (plus i was anxious to see the result)
So, tomorrow it's resin time.

johnim
27th September 2012, 23:05
it should have been moved sooner :thumbsup:

Pixie
28th September 2012, 00:08
Are you going to mold the whole joystick ? I was wandering how you would atach the switches and buttons to the wood model.

I cant' wait to se the the finished result, if you put this mouch work and detail in to just the joystick :thumbsup:

djos
28th September 2012, 00:59
it should have been moved sooner :thumbsup:
+1 this easily qualifies! :cool:

salaxi54
28th September 2012, 15:13
Thank you so much folks!
@Pixie: No, just this cap will be moulded (or actually has been) :)
The wooden stick will be drilled and room will be made to fit all the intestines of the Saitek stick i got. :thumbsup:
So, here's the result!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK165.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK166.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK167.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK168.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK169.jpg

I had to place a small piece of wood behind it so it could stand next to the wooden one for comparison.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK170.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK171.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK172.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK173.jpg

A little sanding and filing, and she'll be ready!

PS If you can follow an irrelevant thread i got here: http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=17790&page=10 you'll see what i did with the rest of the resin in a moment or two. ;)

Merlin
28th September 2012, 15:19
:wooha:This is looking too good! Great attention to detail and great skills to fashion this out of what looks like mostly scrap materials. End result should be pretty spectacular.

How does something qualify to be a legendary photo booth thread?

I think you've answered that question yourself; a thread has to be jam-packed with awesome and win to qualify for a Legendary Thread. This thread has them in spades....

salaxi54
28th September 2012, 15:29
Thanks Merlin! You guys make me try harder.
Here's a little extra stuff. Had the cap drilled with two concentric drills.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK160.jpg

And tried some screws on it.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK161.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK162.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK163.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK164.jpg

Same thing to be repeated on the resin cap.

salaxi54
28th September 2012, 23:09
So, i now cut the wooden cap, and removed it. Here you can see that my worries came true. This is what i meant when i said that it would be vulnerable..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK175.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK176.jpg

Now you might understand why i wanted a resin replica! ;)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK177.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK178.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK179.jpg

And the result of casting:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK180.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK181.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK182.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK183.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK184.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK185.jpg

Some more sanding and filing, and she'll be fine. :thumbsup:

Pixie
29th September 2012, 02:33
Holy crap this is a good tread :thumbsup:

That must be one happy piese of wood :)

I'm looking forward to seing the buttons in place and the stick mounted.

salaxi54
29th September 2012, 20:09
@Pixie: Sooner or later you'll see them buttons in place. :)
I have made a trigger switch out of resin, because the one from the Saitek joystick just doesn't match..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK186-1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK187.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK188.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK189.jpg

Here's the Saitek one:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK190.jpg

Started making room in the stick for the upcoming transplant of components!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK191.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK193.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK194.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK195.jpg

Pixie
30th September 2012, 22:36
It's looking good. :thumbsup:

salaxi54
2nd October 2012, 16:03
It's looking good. :thumbsup:

Thanks Pixie!
Today i gutted the Saitek stick...

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK1-1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK5.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK11.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK13.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK14.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK19.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK21.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK22.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK28.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK33.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK39.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SAITEK44.jpg

And started placing stuff into the wooden one:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK196.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK197.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK198.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK199.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK200.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK201.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK202.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK203.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK204.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK205.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK206.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK207.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK208.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK209.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK210.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/STICK211.jpg

This looks to take a few more days.. :)

Pixie
2nd October 2012, 22:59
Getting closer :thumbsup:

salaxi54
3rd October 2012, 23:32
Had some work done on the seat today. Used lots of epoxy to cover bumps and dents from the skinning process.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT197.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT199.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT200.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT202.jpg

After lots of sanding (did i mention i hate sanding? :mad: ) i applied a couple of coats:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT203.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT204.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT205.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT206.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT207.jpg

I haven't painted the whole seat yet, cause there's lots of pieces to be added.
Also got a new gadget in the mail today:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TACAN1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/TACAN2.jpg

That's a wheel switch for changing frequencies on the TACAN.

johnim
3rd October 2012, 23:35
oh wow and i missed the joystick update :thumbsup:

salaxi54
5th October 2012, 16:17
Thanks John, i have many open fronts now, so i go from one item to another and so forth.. :)
Here's the latest progress on the seat.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT208.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT209.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT210.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT211.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT212.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT213.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT214.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT215.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT216.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT217.jpg

salaxi54
7th October 2012, 20:08
Today's progress on the seat..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT218.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT219.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT220.jpg

I have used some upholstery pins i got yesterday:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT221.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT222.jpg

salaxi54
8th October 2012, 19:55
Some more work on the seat side today. Mostly applying epoxy and sanding.
Plus installation of the O2 ring.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT223.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT224.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT225.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT226.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT227.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT228.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT229.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT230.jpg

There will be some metal work on top of this.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT231.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT232.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT233.jpg

Tomse
8th October 2012, 20:51
the good thing about not reading this thread on a daily basis is that one get some nice evening entertainment.. with ending (or almost)

you're doing a mighty great job my friend. :cool:
it's just awesome! I'm very impressed!!

salaxi54
9th October 2012, 22:56
Thank you Tomse! There's parts i hate doing, but they're a must.. :(
Take sanding for example. I have come to times in my life when i swore i would never sand again. And yet, here i am doing the same boring stuff, and cursing while at it.. :lol:
Anyway, i had the first coat of paint on the side panel today, after even more putty, epoxy and sanding.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT234.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT235.jpg

This is not perfect, as i noticed it needs a little more putty here and there.
Plus a few more details to be added.

Tomse
10th October 2012, 15:15
it looks like it could use some more sanding too :whistle:

J/K :lol:

One tends to get sore arms/shoulders by sanding. I'm not fond of sanding either.. not even with a power tool

salaxi54
11th October 2012, 14:13
A little progress on the seat left side panel..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT237.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT238.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT239.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/SEAT236-1.jpg?t=1349957491
Very little things needed for this part to finish. :)