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arnljot
4th June 2009, 00:04
a few seconds of video (http://www.arnljot.com/images/test1_flv.swf)

A small test I did before I reinstalled my second ubuntu install... :-)

davideo
5th June 2009, 01:07
I captured an hour of VHS video last night as an AVI file with sound.

Just a heads up - I hope you've got plenty of HD space :thumbsup:

1 hour of video at 576 * 720 pixels = 13.8GB

Dave G 8)

arnljot
22nd July 2009, 00:43
this has completely ended up on the side track next to remodelling our flat and comparing ubuntu with kbuntu...

davideo
22nd July 2009, 00:46
@arnljot

My offer still stands :D

Dave G 8)

arnljot
22nd July 2009, 01:21
If I pay shipping for it to reach you, will you sport the return fees?

This is something that has to be done, it's just that I don't have time until late August now.

davideo
22nd July 2009, 09:05
:nod: - no problems.

It's something that needs doing for the community :grouphug:

PM sent with addy details.

Dave G 8)

Tahoe
22nd July 2009, 14:57
Wow, this sounds exciting? Which tapes? The ones that were offered here a little while ago?

SkydivinGirl
22nd July 2009, 17:53
I'd love to get some of these downloaded at some point. I've recently been watching a bunch of the old Computer Chronicles (http://www.archive.org/details/computerchronicles) episodes at Archive.org. There's some great stuff there!

:thumbsup2:

Heather

Shoonay
23rd July 2009, 14:41
Thanks for the link SdG, I used to watch some episodes on NBC and that indeed brings back memories... :thumbsup2:

But, what is this:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6029/wutizit1.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7479/wutizit2.jpg

I've seen it here and there a few times already but never actually cared enough to ask.
Is it a demo that came with the early A1000? A game?

davideo
23rd July 2009, 15:03
It's not a game.

It was a short demonstration animation to show how sprites and the blitter objects would re-act with each other.

It came on the same disc as the boing animation.

Dave G 8)

Shoonay
23rd July 2009, 15:07
You mean the 1.3 Extras disks?
I remember having a few versions of the whole AmigaOS1.3 package from different A500's my friends got rid of and never ever seen that anim...
Would you perhaps be able to find it, please? ;)

davideo
23rd July 2009, 15:17
It was definatley on one of the 1.3WB sets.

I'll have a look tonight and see if I can find out which one.

Dave G 8)

Shoonay
23rd July 2009, 16:19
Thanks, but as we see on EAB, mr_a500 found it, it's on the A1000 WB 1.0 Demo Disk (http://amigarealm.whdownload.com/archives/Amiga%20Software%20Drivers/workbench_1.0_demos.adf.gz). :thumbsup2:

Shoonay
24th July 2009, 11:32
Yay, just got it to work on WinUAE with 512kb Chip mem only! Here it is in all it's A1000 glory! :thumbsup2:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6141/robocity.png

SkydivinGirl
24th July 2009, 19:02
Excellent! It's amazing that, at the time, that was super impressive stuff! I didn't get my first Amiga until 1992 but I drooled over them at the local computer store until I could afford one.

:thumbsup2:

Heather

Shoonay
24th July 2009, 19:48
It's amazing that, at the time, that was super impressive stuff!Hey, quiet you! It still is! :P

I'd like to get my hands on those other proggies shown in some other Computer Chronicles episode: The Disney Animation Studio and that AmigaVision multimedial proggie.

*goesto check planetemu*


I didn't get my first Amiga until 1992 but I drooled over them at the local computer store until I could afford one.Well, at least you had something to drool over, lol, Amiga's weren't present here officially until the 90's because that kind of hardware was considered alien technology and all alien technology is the enemy of the communism... :nuts:

davideo
24th July 2009, 21:09
I'd like to get my hands on those other proggies shown in some other Computer Chronicles episode: The Disney Animation Studio and that AmigaVision multimedial proggie.

If you want boxed originals in good condition - let me know :thumbsup:

Dave G 8)

Shoonay
24th July 2009, 21:39
Ha, thanks, maybe next year ;)

arnljot
25th July 2009, 19:02
:nod: - no problems.

It's something that needs doing for the community :grouphug:

PM sent with addy details.

Dave G 8)

Tapes are sent!

Vaccation time. I'm mentally offline (more than usual anyway) until mid august now!!! :-)

davideo
25th July 2009, 22:01
I'll let you know when they arrive.

Dave G 8)

Harrison
28th July 2009, 02:41
It is a shame that VHS resolution is quite bad, equal to 352x288. However capturing at 720x576 still gives the best results. And the captured video can always then be re-render down to the native VHS 352x288 to save a lot of HDD space as it is 4 times smaller than full PAL, and in theory is actually the same as the original VHS recording.

I keep meaning to convert all my old VHS and SVHS tapes to DVD or digitise them to HD.

I bought a nice Panasonic DMREZ48VEBX DVD-R/VHS recorder combo unit at the start of this year with this in mind. Unlike those cheap horrible combined units, these Panasonic units are very nice quality. Normally they are selling in shops for close to 400, but I got one for 188 pre multi-region unlocked. And it produces very good VHS to DVD transfers, which saves the hassles of ripping to HD, transcoding to MP2, setting up the DVD structure and burning the DVD. It can also playback SVHS tapes perfectly, but can't record to them, which is still good for transferring to DVD as well. :)

The only issue with transferring them to DVD is that MPG2 doesn't store every frame of a video sequence, so you can't edit accurately, requiring re rendering to a different format first, and a natural lose in quality. However I don't have the HD space to store all the videos so it is going to have to be DVD.

I've got some Amiga VHS tapes I bought from PD libraries too. With things like all the Star Wars Amiga animations on. Looking forward to digging those out and watching them again. Plus some Amiga animation and DPaint tutorial videos. I'm hoping to get the time to do some nice quality captures of those and get them online.

SkydivinGirl
28th July 2009, 18:43
@Harrison

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

I would love to see some of those! Be sure to let us know when they are online.

I just picked up a CD-ROM from the other bay called the "Eric Schwartz Productions Archive" (http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BWv,!Cg!Wk~$(KGrHgoOKj8EjlLmVnm)BKY3IEfH,w~~_12.JPG). I'm going to have a lot of fun checking out all the good bits on there.

Heather

davideo
29th July 2009, 14:45
Tapes are sent!

Vaccation time. I'm mentally offline (more than usual anyway) until mid august now!!! :-)

Tapes have arrived safely in the post after our postie squished them through the letter box :(

Can you let me know your addy details by PM when you have a chance with your busy vacation time :thumbsup2:

Dave G 8)

Harrison
31st July 2009, 17:38
I would love to see some of those! Be sure to let us know when they are online.

Sure will. I will try and get Space Wars by Tobias J. Richter converted and uploaded next week. Now there was a great 3D Amiga modeller and animatior.

Actually, I just had a look and it is already available on Youtube. However I want to encode it with good quality for anyone to download, rather than low quality streaming.

If you want to take a look it is here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aYzusXdvVI



I just picked up a CD-ROM from the other bay called the "Eric Schwartz Productions Archive" (http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BWv,!Cg!Wk~$(KGrHgoOKj8EjlLmVnm)BKY3IEfH,w~~_12.JPG). I'm going to have a lot of fun checking out all the good bits on there.

Heather

I loved Eric Schwartz's animations. He was brilliant and really showed what Amiga animation could do. I've also got that CD and it is has some great stuff on there. Brought back loads of memories.

Kin Hell
31st July 2009, 18:36
<snip>

I just picked up a CD-ROM from the other bay called the "Eric Schwartz Productions Archive" (http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BWv,!Cg!Wk~$(KGrHgoOKj8EjlLmVnm)BKY3IEfH,w~~_12.JPG). <snip>



& there's your gorgeous Avatar, mincing away another scrummy pose. :drool: :D

Kin

SkydivinGirl
31st July 2009, 19:56
:mrgreen:

Amy the Squirrel sure knew how to pose! I received the disc but, as usual, I haven't had time to look at it yet.

@Harrison

Thanks for the link! I've never seen that before. I'd love to see it in High Quality later.

Heather

rkauer
1st August 2009, 02:38
Better this Eric S. CD than the other he sells... :whistle: ...Fur afterdark (furry animals in porn action). <-the things you must to do to survive...

Kin Hell
1st August 2009, 10:52
Only our much loved rkauer could come up with such a snippet of valuable information. :laugh: :mrgreen:

Kin

davideo
4th August 2009, 23:23
@arnljot

Tapes and DVDs will be winging their way back to you tomorrow night :nod:

Some technical info :laugh:

Standard DPaint IV is 59 minutes long and is 3.73GB

Advanced DPaint IV is 58 minutes long and is 3.65GB

The duplication house re-used old tapes. When the advanced version finished up popped a training video from ViaGrafix on using DOS on a PC :ROTFLOL2:

Dave G 8)

Harrison
6th August 2009, 17:58
That must have been a bad duplication house, or just someone doing it on the cheap. Normally used tapes are wiped completely using a solid black screen and no sound to lay down a continuous control track before a tape is reused.

Are you going to try re-encoding the videos to try and make them smaller?

It is possible to make 1 hour of video much smaller. If it was rendered as Quicktime using the h.264 codec and using AAC audio with a datarate of 64 kbps, 16-bit, 44.1 khz mono you can often shrink a 1 hour video down to under 200MB! Great for internet distribution. It is often uncompressed audio that makes video files huge, and on tutorial videos you often only need mono audio.

However when rendering video always do a short 1 minute section first to test the end results. Sometime experimentation with different audio codecs and datarates is needed. Sometimes you can even cut to a slower datarate when only speech is used, or use some other codecs that are designed specifically for types of audio like speech or ambient.

Same is true of video codecs, but h.264 is a great one at compression while retaining quality.

davideo
6th August 2009, 18:45
@H

These were captured as high quality avi files with full stereo sound track at 720 * 576 @ 25 fps.

These were then written back onto DVDs after being trimmed and chaptered along with a menu using MPEG2 encoding through Pinnacle Studio Ultimate.

Although this may not be the best bit of software around it is good :thumbsup:

These could have been output in a suitable format for the web and would have reduced the size dramatically - but I'll leave that to arnljot :)

Dave G 8)

arnljot
6th August 2009, 23:49
@H

These were captured as high quality avi files with full stereo sound track at 720 * 576 @ 25 fps.

These were then written back onto DVDs after being trimmed and chaptered along with a menu using MPEG2 encoding through Pinnacle Studio Ultimate.

Although this may not be the best bit of software around it is good :thumbsup:

These could have been output in a suitable format for the web and would have reduced the size dramatically - but I'll leave that to arnljot :)

Dave G 8)

Thanks Dave. Your help is much appreciated. I'm still on vacation, and will be so for at some time more:) :)

I'll take care of it when it's over.

Kin Hell
7th August 2009, 00:17
O/T but;

Heck Arnljot, you're always on vacation. :laugh: :wink: :pint:

Kin

davideo
7th August 2009, 00:29
@Kin

Wouldn't we all be if we had the opportunity and the cash :lol:

Dave G 8)

Kin Hell
7th August 2009, 01:18
Oh Dave! - Absolutely. :nod:

Kin

arnljot
7th August 2009, 07:30
@kin
Lol

I wish. April to july holds a lot of vacation days for vikings:)

Kin Hell
8th August 2009, 16:56
Ah, ....it's that special rape & pillage quarter eh? :mrgreen: :beer:

Kin

arnljot
20th August 2009, 08:59
Rape and pillage is over, and package is waiting for me at the post office.

arnljot
2nd September 2009, 17:02
Awesome work da-video!

davideo
4th September 2009, 19:12
@arnljot

Apologies for the delay in answering - we've been in Zetr0s area for the last five days.

I'm pleased that you liked them :thumbsup:

Dave G 8)

arnljot
17th November 2009, 21:27
First video is now ready.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34eusrfxyw

Second video is better now, but not perfect...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jXz1ukyWls

But it says it might improve...

Shoonay
17th November 2009, 21:55
Looking nice! :thumbsup:

... except for the 2nd vid, lol, sounds like Tales From the Crypt edition... shouldn't we call an exorcist? ;)

SkydivinGirl
17th November 2009, 22:18
@Arnljot

Good stuff! I noticed your description says "Thanks to davideo for help and the good people at AmigaBay.com". It should actually say AmiBay.com unless I'm wrong. :D

Take care,

Heather

arnljot
18th November 2009, 00:25
Fixed the link to amibay.com

Trying to reup the videos to see if that fixes the sound issues (which I do not have on the original videos, only the youtube versions).

And to hedge my bet I'm reencoding videos 2-to-6

Video 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YudNik7Hn8w

Video 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtf8Wic0s54

Video 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2a2BOJW9vg

Video 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9aD9kxjs58

Sound isn't perfect yet. Still some tuning to do, but atleast it's approaching watchable.

---------- Post added 18th November 2009 at 00:25 ---------- Previous post was 17th November 2009 at 23:01 ----------


Fixed the link to amibay.com

Trying to reup the videos to see if that fixes the sound issues (which I do not have on the original videos, only the youtube versions).

And to hedge my bet I'm reencoding videos 2-to-6

Video 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YudNik7Hn8w

Video 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtf8Wic0s54

Video 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2a2BOJW9vg

Video 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9aD9kxjs58

Sound isn't perfect yet. Still some tuning to do, but atleast it's approaching watchable.

I have desided to remove the videos for now.

Two reasons:

1) Copyright, I need to contact Prism Multimedia to get their permission.
2) Crap quality, but it's subordinate to no 1.

Harrison
25th November 2009, 13:59
If you need any help rendering the videos for web streaming let me know. I can also give you webspace on the amibay/ca servers to host the files if needed. Would allow you to provide them in much higher download only quality.

arnljot
25th November 2009, 23:40
If you need any help rendering the videos for web streaming let me know. I can also give you webspace on the amibay/ca servers to host the files if needed. Would allow you to provide them in much higher download only quality.

I'm still working on issue no 1.

Harrison
26th November 2009, 04:31
I highly recommend you take a look at the h.264 codec, combined with using AAC audio with a datarate of 64 kbps, 16-bit, 44.1 khz mono. You can really shrink video down and retain quality.

gavilan
27th November 2009, 01:34
@All: i have about 10 Amiga VHS tapes, that, before the get lost, would love to convert to DVD. What card do you suggest me to buy for the PC, in order to grab them the best quality possible? K-World? Kozumi? Any suggestions please? I have some cool stuff that i want to preserve and (if copyright is not an issue), share with the community

Regards
Sebastian

Harrison
27th November 2009, 02:54
There are many options and ways to capture video into a PC these days. But with the speed of current PCs there isn't a need for an actual capture card as such for the processing any more (unless you were working with HD), although it does depend on the PC setup and if you have other hardware.

Many newer graphics cards have a video in, so it is worth checking that first. Failing that, if your PC has a firewire port, and you own a camcorder with a firewire port then you might be able to use that.

Most digital camcorders these days provide an analogue-to-digital passthrough capability, allowing you to hook up an s-video source to them and to then feed this live via the firewire port (the camcorder performing an analogue to digital conversion on the fly which is often much better quality than standalone analogue video capture cards, and the reason I use it). Read more about this at http://www.videohelp.com/dvanalog

The big advantage of capturing video via the camcorder method is that the resulting video files with be in DV AVI format at about 3.3 MBps, which is a great format to work with when editing video as it is much smaller than uncompressed formats like RAW AVI, and is not as compressed as formats like MPEG2 which were not designed for editing.

Failing that, the next cheapest option is to get a USB capture card. It just plugs into a spare USB2 port on your PC and lets you capture any analogue video source directly to HDD.

The best consumer video editing software for this is Adobe Premiere Elements, but the cheaper Pinnacle Studio is also quite good. There are also completely free video capture packages, including VirtualDub (http://www.virtualdub.org/) which I recommend. There are loads of tutorials on how to use VirtualDub found on the Doom9 and videohelp sites. Such as http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/capture/start.html

Also have a look at http://www.videohelp.com/capturecards to look at the available video capture cards on the market. You can break the search results down into the type of card you are looking for, such as AGP, PCI-E, USB etc, and also the features you want on it.

A USB2 capture card can be as inexpensive as $50.

NSCXP2005
29th November 2009, 22:12
This thread sounds interesting.

gavilan
29th November 2009, 22:15
Wow! Harrison!! Thats real good info!! Thanks a lot!!!
Actually, i dont own a camcorder, i dont have a GFX card with video in and my PC doesnt have firewire port. So i guess i have to go to cheapest methods. The USB method sounds good, i just wonder how good will be the video quality...same as VHS or less good?

Its funny...NSCXP2005 only replies saying things like "this thread sounds interesting" and that kind of stuff... indeed it is a very interesting thread!

Harrison
30th November 2009, 18:04
A good USB capture card will give you video and audio quality equal to the VHS tapes you are capturing. There should be no problems there.