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Justin
20th October 2009, 11:55
oh dear, the wonderful Sony will now fix your unbreakable and fully reliable PS3 with YLOD for $149 if your warranty is intact, much more if you opened it to take a look ;o). it seems Sony didn't learn from Mircosofts Xbox 360 mistakes and used cheap solder, the unit heats up and cools down a few time then the solder breaks (just like the 360)
there are a lot of faulty PS3's on evilbay at the moment, i'm trying to work out if it's worth buying one to attempt a repair, but the faulty units still seem a bit expensive just to play about with.......

PS4 anyone?


JuvUK

r0jaws
20th October 2009, 12:13
I'm sure Zetro will be along in a moment with some interesting links, and a quick insight into the "Sales of Goods Act".

Merlin
20th October 2009, 12:26
@ JuvUK

Question; where are the photos, since this is in Photo Booth? Would AmiOracle possibly be a better home for this thread?

Justin
20th October 2009, 12:29
sorry, pics to follow, i'm at work but i will get to it :wink:

scrappysphinx
20th October 2009, 13:15
@Juvvy, i have to disagree mate.
I've had my 60Gb PS3 since it was launched and not a single fail or overheat yet, never even had the fans spin up any quicker than they do normally.
According to online guides, certain model numbers have different fail rates and mine falls into the highest category but it has never had a problem.
The only thing i did notice more recently was that the games were taking longer to load however i pulled it apart and and gave the bluray drive a blast of air to remove some dust and everything is loading a lot quicker again.

On the other hand i've had 3 xbox360's (one older non-hdmi, one white hdmi and one elite) and lost everyone to E74 or RROD.
I've replaced clamps and thermal compund and followed many online tutorials to try fix the problems with the two white consoles and allthough they worked again for a little while they all died again within a month.
The Elite console i took into a local store who guaranteed to fix it for at least 3 months and again it died just after 2 weeks. I got a full refund and ended up splitting the console and selling most of the accessories off.

So i think i'll stick with my PS3 and if it develops the YLOD i'll go buy a new one and save this one for experiment.

Mike

Kin Hell
20th October 2009, 13:30
I'm sure ALL console & computer manufacturers suffer some batch fails along the way. It's called cheap labour in China & bad production processing. Some work, some fail, meaning the quality of the assembled circuitry is very sub standard. With the advent of the 500+ fsb speeds genre of motherboards, many brand names were failing because of poor quality soldering of cheap nasty components, meaning burn-outs & severe RMA-ing. As an example, many suppliers dropped the likes of DFI for such crapiness.

I'll side with Scrappy on this one. The PS3 is way more reliable than the XBox ever could imagine to "want to be" & thesedays, Micro$haft have made sure they have a better made product. It's all money at the end of the day & everyone wants as much in their pocket as possible. One of the reasons I'd take Taiwan over China any day now. ;)

Kin

Justin
20th October 2009, 13:36
@Juvvy, i have to disagree mate.
I've had my 60Gb PS3 since it was launched and not a single fail or overheat yet, never even had the fans spin up any quicker than they do normally.
According to online guides, certain model numbers have different fail rates and mine falls into the highest category but it has never had a problem.
The only thing i did notice more recently was that the games were taking longer to load however i pulled it apart and and gave the bluray drive a blast of air to remove some dust and everything is loading a lot quicker again.

On the other hand i've had 3 xbox360's (one older non-hdmi, one white hdmi and one elite) and lost everyone to E74 or RROD.
I've replaced clamps and thermal compund and followed many online tutorials to try fix the problems with the two white consoles and allthough they worked again for a little while they all died again within a month.
The Elite console i took into a local store who guaranteed to fix it for at least 3 months and again it died just after 2 weeks. I got a full refund and ended up splitting the console and selling most of the accessories off.

So i think i'll stick with my PS3 and if it develops the YLOD i'll go buy a new one and save this one for experiment.

Mike

i am in the same boat mate, as i've posted before my 360 is now very old and has not given me a days trouble (yet i have fixed a few for my friends) where as my ps3 died for a past time. also my 360 repairs are now months old and still going strong with daily use.
i guess you and i are part of the lucky few. But you can't disagree with me as it's not my opinion but a fact from Sony, in the sameway that Microsoft had to admit they dropped a clanger.

JuvUK

scrappysphinx
20th October 2009, 13:42
I don't deny that they have their problems as all consoles do and a quick search on google or ebay for YLOD reveals hundreds of results and faulty consoles but it seems everywhere i turn i see an advert or sign offering RROD repair service and i guess what i was trying to say and maybe i worded it wrongly but the PS3 will always ultimately be a more reliable console than the xbox360 for me.
Infact i had an argument with a woman in Game who was trying to convince me to buy an xbox360 Elite and her basic argument was that it was impossible for the Elite console to have E74 or the RROD as microsoft had permanently fixed it!

Justin
20th October 2009, 13:45
all i see is the ps3 seems to be far less home repairable :wink:

and don't forget the 360 has been out much longer and there are more of them in peoples homes, and don't forget to google ps3 failed drive and corrupted graphics, they should up the numbers a bit! lol

JuvUK

scrappysphinx
20th October 2009, 13:52
to be fair, in order for me to blow the dust out of the blu-ray drive i had to dismantle the PS3 and i have to say its not the quickest of jobs. She's a monster to get into!
But i'll happily keep cleaning her and stick with her till she finally gives up, then i'll move onto the slimmer (although not as good looking) version.

Harrison
20th October 2009, 15:20
The thing is, every piece of hardware is expected to have a certain percentage fail rate. Look back at the Amiga A500 and the huge drop in fail rates for the A600 in comparison because it moved to surface mounted technology. The same is true of consoles. Even the best made hardware can still expect maybe a 2% fail rate and that is a lot of units as more and more get sold.

Look at the original PS2 as well. That had a load of bad press for failing, but in reality the fail rates were well within acceptable levels for the numbers being sold. I even still have one of the early 30003 PS2's that was meant to be the worst and it still works perfectly, so such fail rate rumours are not an exact science by any means and the more popular a console is, the more are out there, and the more people will hear of failures, or know someone it happened to.

And it happens to any technology. We all know Samsung TVs are pretty reliable, but I had an HDTV from them fail recently. It still didn't stop me buying another one.

I think however it might be a bit different for M$ and the 360. The fail rates seem too prevalent to just be acceptable fail rates due to normal manufacturing. I have yet to talk to an owner who hasn't had a RROD either with their own console, or a brother of friend. I never encountered it being that high for any other system before.

However I will also agree with Kin regarding cheap components and cheap labour to manufacture hardware. PC PSU and motherboard failure rates have been much higher in recent years. The last two dead or faulty PSUs I pulled from systems I was repairing, I opened up and found all of the capacitors had leaked really badly. And Caps on motherboards were bulging or leaking on many I had to replace too. Leading to the reason I now only buy motherboards that are using solid state Japanese manufactured Caps.

Kin Hell
20th October 2009, 16:09
T <snip> ....solid state Japanese manufactured Caps.

The Mutt's nuts m8y. :thumbsup:

Kin

Merlin
20th October 2009, 18:50
Moving to lead-free solder hasn't exactly worked wonders for MTBFs either though, has it?

The simple fact is that lead-free solder is much more brittle than the leaded stuff and designers haven't taken this into account - they still design as they have always done for leaded solder, which allows for some expansion and contraction because it's more flexible. Until that penny drops and they change the designs, the failure rate won't drop appreciably. The reduced failure rate in later Xbox 360s shows they are starting to move in the right direction, but they are a long way off yet.

Kin Hell
20th October 2009, 19:22
@ Merlin

Good observation m8y & quite true. Electrical components do move when they get warm & the tolerances with lead free solder are clean out of the window.

Kin

rkauer
9th November 2009, 02:16
Damned environment!:****ed:

I want leaded solder any day of the year than this über :censored: ROHS solder.:****ed:

morcar
7th December 2009, 12:25
Its all down to the last firmware update and if you look on google there is a fix for it.

Merlin
7th December 2009, 13:36
Its all down to the last firmware update and if you look on google there is a fix for it.

Are you absolutely sure it's not down to marathon online sessions on Modern Warfare 2? That's what caused the problem on my son's PS3. If you Google around there have been more YLODs caused since MW2 came out than any other cause of late.

Powerpie5000
7th December 2009, 17:29
I'm glad to say i've owned two Xbox 360 consoles and neither has had a single problem! I admit i never bought the early revisions that were plagued with the RROD. I bought the Falcon first and then later bought the current Jasper revision which is noticeably cooler than previous versions.

My old 60gb PS3 on the other hand has been a bit of a nightmare! It's been to Sony and back twice with the YLOD problem (and constant beeping!). I have to say though i never got charged by Sony for the repairs as it was under warranty... but they would never tell me what the problem was either :dry:. Sometimes my PS3 will show a game disc as a movie disc and then i have to reset the console for it to load the game properly :thumbsdown: Anyway if it dies again i will probably bin it as the repair cost is absolutely disgusting considering it's a fault that could have been prevented in the first place with proper testing (this applies to both Fony and Microshite).

I remember when i used to get really excited about new console being launched, but now i just wait a while and see how reliable they are before buying one as i got spanked with both the PS1 and PS2 for reliability when they were launched! (dodgy CD/DVD drives).

Justin
7th December 2009, 18:18
I'm glad to say i've owned two Xbox 360 consoles and neither has had a single problem! I admit i never bought the early revisions that were plagued with the RROD. I bought the Falcon first and then later bought the current Jasper revision which is noticeably cooler than previous versions.

My old 60gb PS3 on the other hand has been a bit of a nightmare! It's been to Sony and back twice with the YLOD problem (and constant beeping!). I have to say though i never got charged by Sony for the repairs as it was under warranty... but they would never tell me what the problem was either :dry:. Sometimes my PS3 will show a game disc as a movie disc and then i have to reset the console for it to load the game properly :thumbsdown: Anyway if it dies again i will probably bin it as the repair cost is absolutely disgusting considering it's a fault that could have been prevented in the first place with proper testing (this applies to both Fony and Microshite).

I remember when i used to get really excited about new console being launched, but now i just wait a while and see how reliable they are before buying one as i got spanked with both the PS1 and PS2 for reliability when they were launched! (dodgy CD/DVD drives).

don't bin it!! sell it to me so i can strip it out and play around with repairing it!! :o

scrappysphinx
7th December 2009, 20:01
don't bin it!! sell it to me so i can strip it out and play around with repairing it!! :-o

Juvvy mate, i've sent you an interesting pm

Merlin
7th December 2009, 20:21
Damn!

Had I seen that post before the Juvster, I would have been in like a flash....:(

Powerpie5000
8th December 2009, 18:57
don't bin it!! sell it to me so i can strip it out and play around with repairing it!! :o

Sure, i will let you know when it dies again and then you can have it for the cost of postage :thumbsup: (unless scrappysphinx has already offered you one in his interesting pm?) but for now i prefer to keep it while it is still alive :D

Merlin
8th December 2009, 19:27
/me wants a dead one too, if anyone has one out there.....

:please:

scrappysphinx
8th December 2009, 20:03
(unless scrappysphinx has already offered you one in his interesting pm?)

I did indeed offer Juvvy a 60gb YLOD ps3. It was given to me but i'm passing it on. It was offered to Justin as a thanks for the Wii that he gifted to me to help fix mine.

Merlin
9th December 2009, 14:27
@ Powerpie5000

Can I lay claim to your old one when it dies then, please?

;)

Powerpie5000
9th December 2009, 16:44
@ Powerpie5000

Can I lay claim to your old one when it dies then, please?

;)

Yep that will be fine if JuvUK is already getting one from Scrappysphinx :) I'm not going to pay any repair fee's to Sony if it dies so you can have it when it does die again (i'm pretty sure it will!). I will just save some money towards the new Xbox 720 or PS4 instead of paying to get it repaired again :cool:

Merlin
9th December 2009, 20:47
Nice one, Powerpie!!

As I'm not too far away, I may pop over to collect it and have a day at the seafront while I'm there. Hopefully the weather will be better then.

:thumbsup:

Kin Hell
12th December 2009, 04:28
^^^^

Jammy git! :lol:

Anyone else got a PS3 they wanna throw my way? :thumbsup:

Kin

morcar
12th December 2009, 09:44
I really think the problem is all down to firmware for the ps3 but the 360 is a different case altogether. They rushed the machine out and i think it never even went through beta testing because the amount of fails were mental.

Now your saying its $150 to fix your ps3 but you live in the UK so have you phoned sony themself in the UK and asked ?

In the UK we have different laws from America and also we have a thing called the EU who wouldnt stand for a console under warrenty and then you have to pay for it to get fixed.

Justin
12th December 2009, 09:47
^^^^

Jammy git! :lol:

Anyone else got a PS3 they wanna throw my way? :thumbsup:

Kin

lol i'm not sure Powerpies ps3 is actually dead yet!! :lol:

Powerpie5000
12th December 2009, 10:29
^^^^

Jammy git! :lol:

Anyone else got a PS3 they wanna throw my way? :thumbsup:

Kin

lol i'm not sure Powerpies ps3 is actually dead yet!! :lol:

Nope it's not dead yet but i think the blu-ray drive might need the lens cleaning (or it could be something more serious?) as every now and then i will insert a game disc but the PS3 tries to load it as if it were a movie disc.... then i have to reset the console to try and boot it again :thumbsdown:

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I really think the problem is all down to firmware for the ps3 but the 360 is a different case altogether. They rushed the machine out and i think it never even went through beta testing because the amount of fails were mental.

Now your saying its $150 to fix your ps3 but you live in the UK so have you phoned sony themself in the UK and asked ?

In the UK we have different laws from America and also we have a thing called the EU who wouldnt stand for a console under warrenty and then you have to pay for it to get fixed.

Sony want £145 to repair the console outside warranty if it breaks again and i'm not even sure if that includes postage :blink: (mine is a 1st gen 60gb PS3 and the warranty has expired).

I doubt "YLOD" is a firmware issue as all PS3 consoles would die if they used the same firmware.... it's definitely a hardware problem and i'm betting it's the exact same problem that causes "RROD" on the 360.

Yes Microsoft rushed the launch of their console and paid for it :nod: but now it's quite reliable if you have the Falcon or Jasper chipset :) Don't forget Sony delayed the PS3 for a whole year due to technical issues but many PS3 are still failing and the numbers continue to grow! So it seems the extra year of testing did not pay off :thumbsdown:

Merlin
12th December 2009, 17:40
@ Powerpie5000

I don't think that the Blu-Ray drives were fully debugged before the launch of the PS3 either, as they were relatively new. In fact, the numbers of machines unable to read discs is pretty much on a par with the YLOD, from what I've seen on t'Interweb.

Replacing the Blu-Ray drive isn't a cheap fix either, so I may not ultimately be as jammy as some people are making me out to be.....