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Phipscube
30th July 2010, 22:07
So i've been busy beavering away for the last 4 months gathering parts for my A1200 Desktop and now i've decided to share what i've been doing and what I plan to do in time.

To start with I wanted to try and hack a slimline slot loading DVD drive into my A1200 and mount a 2.5" HDD underneath it, Its taken a fair bit of effort to accomplish but i've finally managed, and today I was happily pushing a CD into the back of my A1200 and it went in and was detected fine... I ejected... it came out.. and didn't scratch! Mission accomplished! :)


Video of the drive in action:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnZasweVM0



http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwWIN1IgI/AAAAAAAAACg/69ozipb-Jno/s640/30072010616.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwWlL1a2I/AAAAAAAAACk/mnSuO4qaHOY/s640/30072010617.JPG

Here's my list of bits to put into my A1200D (and somehow make it all fit) with a current status:-

DVD/HDD - Installed, finished! :) I made a custom IDE cable by hand that curls around nicely, it also powers the DVD drive through a FDD power connector wired to the +5V and Ground wires of the 44 pin IDE cable.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwSBCno9I/AAAAAAAAACA/GZinT0iwHf0/s640/24062010307.JPG

Blizzard PPC - Coming soon from Stachu100, I bought one of his modded units with 060 @ 66Mhz (or 60 if the BVPPC doesn't play well) and PPC @ 330Mhz - Currently on its way, should be with me within the next week or so (Rubbing hands vigorously and cackling!) :nuts: (Update - Is here and installed)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNdgb95-I/AAAAAAAAAI4/87kh31rBXPk/s640/02082010647.JPG

BVision PPC - I've had this a while but can't do much with it yet ;) Not tested either so hope it works when I plug it into my BPPC!! Will eventually have output to an auto switcher. I will mount a fan to the top of the case above the BVPPC to cool it down. (Update: - its DOA so need a new one)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNe-UN8gI/AAAAAAAAAJA/G9ORN_3J14s/s640/02082010649.JPG

2 X 128MB SIMM's - For BPPC. Marked as 60ns but was told they may run ok at 50ns... lets see... (Update - They work at 66MHz!): -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNh-e2JeI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/KDiZhAMDCAQ/s640/02082010653.JPG

Indivision AGA 1200 - Installed and working fine, will eventually have the output going to an automatic video switcher along with BVPPC (Stedy is very kindly currently designing an auto switcher for native/RTG on a request I made to him). For now the VGA connector is hanging out the rear and flopping around ;)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNgl5VjMI/AAAAAAAAAJI/aq3g_t-gwWQ/s640/02082010651.JPG

IDE Fix Express - Installed, but hanging around loose inside the case. Will possibly mount this on top of the Indivision. My DVD and HDD are connected to it on Primary channel as Master and Slave. The Express adapter had been modified so that the DVD drive fit ok over the top. I moved the express jumpers underneath and removed the 10 pin header and hard soldered the ribbon cable underneath too. (Update: - Mounted working great!)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TF2JHwEZnnI/AAAAAAAAALs/0WK6fsO95_4/s640/06082010674.JPG

4 Way clock port expander (thanks DJBase!) - I need to get my BVision mounted first before I install this properly, but I have soldered the ROM link directly to my mainboard to avoid rising my ROM chips. (Update: - Installed, but no devices attached yet): -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNedTZsJI/AAAAAAAAAI8/u_8VWJfIFkk/s640/02082010648.JPG

Subway USB - hanging out the back at the moment, will at some point mount inside and connect to the expander.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNfl-patI/AAAAAAAAAJE/dvSAh3SdHqc/s640/02082010650.JPG

Delfina Soundcard - Haven't got this working yet as it seems to be incomaptible with my temporary Accelerator (An M-Tec 1230/28 RTC). My machine simply doesn't boot at all when plugged in. If I take out the accelerator it boots but of course then my system fails with lack of RAM. I'm waiting for my BPPC to arrive from Stachu100 and hope it works better with that. I eventually plan to have this mounted inside under the keyboard and connected to the clock port expander. (Update: - did a quick plug in test on expander with BPPC. Machine booted, so thats good): -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNizLWbnI/AAAAAAAAAJY/ZHFTNI3DQLA/s640/02082010655.JPG

USB to CF adapter - Will mount this above my PCMCIA and cut a slot, will connect to one of the subway ports.

USB to Ethernet - small cheapo Ethernet adapter that will connect to one of the subway ports - Plan to have it next to VGA port out the rear expansion port.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNiUZoLrI/AAAAAAAAAJU/u6x7BCkmvVc/s640/02082010654.JPG

2 x USB ports - coming straight from the subway to the exterior of the case, possibly right hand side with hole cut (A600 Joystick port style)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2N4Fem2I/AAAAAAAAAM8/MOTMT7PldQg/s640/09082010682.JPG

2 X PSX joypad adapters - Plug into the 9 pin D at rear and allow playing with standard PSX pads, Playing Project X has hit a new level of awesome!

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNhJbAU5I/AAAAAAAAAJM/px5DKXuJJLw/s640/02082010652.JPG

All this is powered by a Goliath PSU (Update: - Dumped the Goliath and corrently have a 360W adapted ATX PSU). But I do also plan at some point to hack a mATX psu into an A600 or 1200 PSU casing. I had ideas to put a Pico PSU in the Amiga, but I don't think it will fit, and possibly wont have enough juice to power all this - Hence I gave up with that idea :p

Lots of other little tweaks - For example, I have replaced all caps, and made a power extension from power connector to Floppy connector and floppy drive.

Software wise I have AmigaSYS4 AGA currently installed with OS3.9, but I recently bought OS 4 from Coze and plan to install that too. The first game I will run is of course Wipeout 2097, and make a video! :lol: (cheers ddni) My HDD is partitioned thus: -

900MB OS 3.9 - SFS
3.1 GB - ready for OS 4 - SFS
75GB - Programs - SFS. Plenty of space for whatever!

Anyway, enough of my babble! Here's even more photos at my G+ web album: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801


I will update as I progress :)

Thanks for looking! :thumbsup:

Kyle
30th July 2010, 22:21
Great work! :thumbsup:

And what a wonderful project!!

bazzaq
30th July 2010, 22:23
WOW.. looking very nice.

TheoryBoy
30th July 2010, 22:41
Thats one of the nicest optical installs I have seen on an Amiga. Well done.

portarinos
30th July 2010, 22:52
Easily one of the cleanest mods i've ever seen amigawise. Just one question. Which is the exact model no./info regarding the optical drive. I have a spare Apple slot load cd-rom but i can't make it work so any info on a tested to work model would be appreciated.

mfilos
31st July 2010, 00:50
Nice piece of work Phipscube mate! Professional cut and clever mounting :)
Reminds me that I need to find some time and finish mine also!

Keep up the good work!

rkauer
31st July 2010, 03:21
My £0.02: sack the RF modulator out and use the space to either the Indy VGA out or for the four USB sockets.

stachu100
31st July 2010, 08:47
Very nice work Phipscube! :thumbsup:
Now I understand your determination to buy this Blizzard PPC.
I will watch the progress of your project.:)

Phipscube
31st July 2010, 09:26
Thanks for the kind words guys, it has taken me a long time to do this mod, in between family duties and work etc. I've never felt so satisfied to put a CD in a drive as I did yesterday heheh!

portarinos - the exact model is TEAC DV-W28SL. It is commonly found in G4 macbooks and Dell XPS. You can find lots on ebay, infact I had to buy a new one mid way through my hackery as it broke. For some reason being on holiday for 3 weeks and leaving my project alone ****ed it off. When I got home eager to continue, I turned on the miggy and the DVD drive just made some go awful grinding noises. I think the problem was that the last thing I did was manually extract a CD (I was testing the manual eject hole). Suffice to say now I got the new one i'm not risking poking that hole again ;)

mfilos - You are my inspiration! I look forward to seeing how your project progresses, you keep up your good work also! :)

rkauer - I originally wanted to mount the VGA port where the RF modulator is, but now I will use the space near the expansion port as I need to make a custom Video switcher. This circuit wont fit under the HDD/DVD. I have got thoughts about putting a miniature fan where the RF modulator is though as the HDD and Indi are getting quite hot. just need to work out if it will pull cold air in or suck hot air out. I think the latter as my top mount fan over the BVPPC will draw air in. I will experiment at some point and post my findings :)

---------- Post added at 10:26 ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 ----------

Hi Stan! you must have posted between my last one. Yeah I am quite determined (or mad?) hehe! Thanks for putting up with my many small payments over the last few months ;) Once the BPPC arrives i'll have plenty of photos of it in my Miggy for you to look at :)

Kin Hell
31st July 2010, 11:01
Loving your slot m8. :D

Most impressive.

Kin

Kyle
31st July 2010, 12:13
We await for more photos ;)

Merlin
31st July 2010, 16:11
Easily one of the cleanest mods i've ever seen amigawise. Just one question. Which is the exact model no./info regarding the optical drive. I have a spare Apple slot load cd-rom but i can't make it work so any info on a tested to work model would be appreciated.

Apple CD / DVD slot drives do work with a JAE to IDE adapter - I have one in one of my A1200s (a Combo 8123A drive). The only hassle is that they don't have an eject button, so you have to use the eject utility that comes with IDEFix. Cutting the slot out was a nightmare I don't want to repeat.....

Phipscube
31st July 2010, 22:50
A few more pics of other things ive been tweaking: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801 (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/106929866019169011552/A1200Mods#)


I agree Merlin, its rather a pain to cut out and it takes a long time.




Apple CD / DVD slot drives do work with a JAE to IDE adapter - I have one in one of my A1200s (a Combo 8123A drive). The only hassle is that they don't have an eject button, so you have to use the eject utility that comes with IDEFix. Cutting the slot out was a nightmare I don't want to repeat.....

BeelzebubUK
2nd August 2010, 01:47
Definitely the cleanest looking optical install I've seen. Good luck with the rest of the project.

SkydivinGirl
2nd August 2010, 14:50
Wow! Some very nice hackery, indeed. :) I like the creative use of the blank PC Plates as the legs holding up the drive. :)

Great job!

Heather

Phipscube
2nd August 2010, 20:10
Cheers Beelzebub and SkydivinGirl! :)

Guess what came already? My BPPC!! mega fast posting Stan! awesome service from that man!

Edited first thread to include pics :)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNdgb95-I/AAAAAAAAAI4/87kh31rBXPk/s640/02082010647.JPG


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNbm2CRJI/AAAAAAAAAIs/lqTcoAcmFS4/s640/02082010644.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNcVvhMmI/AAAAAAAAAIw/wS3s0h63cog/s640/02082010645.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFcNdPvCkrI/AAAAAAAAAI0/hj0ZCbINbm0/s640/02082010646.JPG

Kin Hell
2nd August 2010, 22:35
Most impressive! :thumbsup:

Kin

Phipscube
4th August 2010, 10:35
Most impressive! :thumbsup:

Kin

Yeah all that stuff on my table is geek heaven, F knows how I will fit it all in :D

Tried BPPC lastnight, boots great at 60MHz. but BVPPC doesnt work even at 50MHz. I dumped my old goliath (15 years old, only 4.88V on +5V) and tried a newer ATX PSU (360W, 35A on 5V). still no joy and voltage still low at 4.92V. Will try more things later..

stachu100
4th August 2010, 10:39
@Phipscube,
4.92V on +5V line is ok.

So there are 2 possibilities:
1) BVPPC is defective. :(
2) +5V rising time on ATX PSU is too long. Please try to use standard PSU from A500 or A1200 and please disconnect as many devices as you can (FDD, HDD, USB, clockport expander, ...)

Of course the best way is to go to someone with 100% working A1200 +BPPC + BVPPC to check your BVPPC, but this you know very well.

Phipscube
4th August 2010, 12:04
Hi Stachu100 :)

I don't have my original A1200 PSU anymore, it went many years ago when I bought the Goliath. :whistle:

I will try with nothing but BPPC and BVPPC, then I will try and find a standard A500 or A1200 PSU locally. if that all fails maybe I can bug Tomse and see if he will try my BVPPC in his setup! :p

portarinos
4th August 2010, 13:40
Maybe a silly idea, but i'll give it a try. Have you tried to give extra "juice" to your mobo by connecting/bridging directly the power connector to your floppy connector? I did the connection from the underneath part of the mobo so no extra wires to occupy valuable space. This trick helped me a lot with the same power issues i had while "building" my 1200 "monster".

Phipscube
4th August 2010, 15:18
Maybe a silly idea, but i'll give it a try. Have you tried to give extra "juice" to your mobo by connecting/bridging directly the power connector to your floppy connector? I did the connection from the underneath part of the mobo so no extra wires to occupy valuable space. This trick helped me a lot with the same power issues i had while "building" my 1200 "monster".

Hi portarinos

Yeah I have made a link from the Power input to the floppy connector, thanks for suggesting though :)

Phipscube
4th August 2010, 22:59
Ok, I have tried plugging in with only the motherboard, BPPC and BVPPC connected using a 360 W converted ATX PSU. Doesn't boot, +5V directly on the BVPPC regulator is 4.51V using lead connected to floppy port from power connector. 3.3V is reading as 3.31V

I tried connecting a floppy cable directly from the PSU to the mainboard. The system still didn't boot but the BVPPC now had 4.77V on the regulator and again 3.31V out of the regulator.

I bought an A600 off QXL.dk for my son and it arrived today, so I took its power supply and tried that (It looks the same as my old A1200 unit, +5V is rated at 3A).... didn't boot and only 3.5V on the regulator for +5V. In all the above scenarios, if I take away the BVPPC and leave only BPPC the machine boots, even with the weedy A600 PSU.

So is 4.77V on the BVPPC regulator too low? It seems to be to me...

rkauer
5th August 2010, 01:50
Anything less than 4.95V is simply not enough.

Remember that after the motherboard connector/accelerator connector there'll be another small voltage dropout, and another one on the BVision socket.

If you feel brave, solder a small wire to add +5V to some place directly in the board, next the 3.3V regulator AS A TEST ONLY! If no bananas, give up, the BVision is dead.

stachu100
5th August 2010, 08:41
Anything less than 4.95V is simply not enough.

Well, I had 4,7V on BVision and still working properly


If you feel brave, solder a small wire to add +5V to some place directly in the board, next the 3.3V regulator AS A TEST ONLY! If no bananas, give up, the BVision is dead.
Good method. You can try.
But if card is not working with 2-3 different PSU's it means that BVision is dead, sorry. :(

Tomse
5th August 2010, 18:32
I will try with nothing but BPPC and BVPPC, then I will try and find a standard A500 or A1200 PSU locally. if that all fails maybe I can bug Tomse and see if he will try my BVPPC in his setup! :p

well any time my friend :-)
(i'm having vacation next week and home.. hacking my amigas in case you want me to drop by :-))

wow.. quite some time ago since I was online here.. hehe

nice setup so far it seems :-) except for the bvision :-(

Phipscube
5th August 2010, 21:43
I tried feeding +5V directly to BVision Regulator and still no joy :( I think its a dud. I made a bit of a risk buying from ebay a few months ago, I should have waited until after I got the Accelerator, but ah well I wont let it get me down (I am feeling a little sad though).

Anyway, lots more other hacks to do yet, so I will switch focus to them :)

Thanks for the offer Tomse! Be great to meet you and do a bit of hacking! I will talk to you on PM about meeting up :)

rkauer
6th August 2010, 05:03
I think you can do a last resource try: snatching the Permedia chip from an old pc video card (a working one, of course!) and send the parts to Stan, as he have enough skills to dessolder and solder the chip over the BVIsion board. Of course if the board have just the Permedia chip dead.

Stan, is that possible?

Or give up and build a tower with a Mediator + nice video card.

Or a GREX, in your case ;)

stachu100
6th August 2010, 07:42
No problem, I can replace Permedia 2 chip. Of course if defect will be elsewhere..... :(

Phipscube
6th August 2010, 12:27
Hi guys

Well I checked all the tracks and solder joints today under a special magnifying glass at work, all these look great so if there is a problem its a definite component defect.

I think I will try with Tomse to see how his cards work and then I think its a good idea of yours rkauer to find another Permedia 2 board. But i'm wondering with the risk of it NOT being the permedia if the cost to change this is not worth it and I should just try and find another BVision (this time through Amibay and not shitty Ebay!!!).

I will arrange with Tomse something first. I've been doing some other bits an pieces too in the meantime so a few more photos soon :)

rkauer
6th August 2010, 19:18
The chip is used in 3Dlabs Oxygen video card. It is a PCI or AGP card, so I think is easy to find in wild, somewhere.:tumble

Phipscube
6th August 2010, 22:11
hehe! that emoticon says it all!

Thanks for the info rkauer, i'll try and find one :)


The chip is used in 3Dlabs Oxygen video card. It is a PCI or AGP card, so I think is easy to find in wild, somewhere.:tumble

Phipscube
7th August 2010, 18:33
I've decided to look for a new BVision. The PC cards online are £30 on average and it seems that there are different versions of the Permedia 2, most have heatsinks attached as well which would need to be taken off. seems like too much hassle. There is another BVision on Ebay at the moment but its not tested. I might put a request in wanted in the next few days, so if you have a BVision for sale keep an eye out in the wanted section! :)

Anyway. I've been adding more components to my A1200 over the last few days, a select few pics below and you can see more at my A1200 Mod G+ web album here: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801 (http://picasaweb.google.com/106929866019169011552/A1200Mods#)

Next to do I will try and mount the Delfina and Subway, then add a 2cm fan in place of the modulator (hole needs extending). I also need to cut out some strip board to mount 2 USB ports onto and a piece for the back expansion port to hold the Video switcher circuit and the VGA/ Ethernet ports. I've also ordered 3 x 40mm 11dB Fans that I will try and mount along the top grill of the case.



Here is my handmade IDE cable, it runs around the Indivision to reduce heat buildup between HDD and Indi.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TF2JHwEZnnI/AAAAAAAAALs/0WK6fsO95_4/s640/06082010674.JPG

The BPPC is running at 66MHz with temporary SIMMS.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TF2JI8i73oI/AAAAAAAAALw/gJTUMZbtzj8/s640/06082010675.JPG


Now with my DVD/HDD mounted.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TF2JJhn1F5I/AAAAAAAAAL0/LVYXIdGtkO0/s640/06082010676.JPG


As you can see, its a tight fit..


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TF2JKsdPQkI/AAAAAAAAAL4/IxcjeuX2Iy8/s640/06082010677.JPG

portarinos
7th August 2010, 20:11
And just before you proceed with the Permedia "transplant", another silly, maybe, suggestion. Have you secured the card with any of the nuts and bolts that will keep it firmly in place? I had similar problems with my Bvision a couple of years ago (grey screens etc.) and every pester seemed to go away when i thought of tightening it up cause it had become extremely loose and consequently didn't fit as it should.

Phipscube
7th August 2010, 20:52
And just before you proceed with the Permedia "transplant", another silly, maybe, suggestion. Have you secured the card with any of the nuts and bolts that will keep it firmly in place? I had similar problems with my Bvision a couple of years ago (grey screens etc.) and every pester seemed to go away when i thought of tightening it up cause it had become extremely loose and consequently didn't fit as it should.

I did the first couple of times, but then I got a bit lazy and stopped. I am going to try a few more random things before I completely give up (like see if the regulator is crap), but maybe I should keep on putting the screws in even though it is a pain :)

portarinos
7th August 2010, 21:00
I suggest you retried with the screws. The same suggestion gave life a couple of weeks ago to a Bvision of a greek fellow amigan in a local forum. I also had the idea that the card functions without being screwed but i was totally mistaken. Being lazy made me lose a couple of weeks trying to find out every other possible problem and ending up thinking that the card is defect. Maybe the solution is simpler that you think. At least let's hope it is like this and please give it a try and let us know what happens. :)

Phipscube
9th August 2010, 23:21
I suggest you retried with the screws. The same suggestion gave life a couple of weeks ago to a Bvision of a greek fellow amigan in a local forum. I also had the idea that the card functions without being screwed but i was totally mistaken. Being lazy made me lose a couple of weeks trying to find out every other possible problem and ending up thinking that the card is defect. Maybe the solution is simpler that you think. At least let's hope it is like this and please give it a try and let us know what happens. :)

Well I retried with screws and various other things... still no go, I gave up on it for now. I put out a wanted for another one so lets see if I get any offer there.

But I have been busy with other bits too, Mainly, I managed to get my 128MB SIMMs installed! and they are running at 66MHz! Took a few small tweak hacks to get them to fit physically but all is good. And I figured out how to put images into the message body! so enjoy better quality photos from now :)

here's my cut down Floppy Bracket: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2WZC5wbI/AAAAAAAAANo/gzjpBLPadl8/s640/09082010692.JPG

And BPPC Heatsink clip: -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2U0F5QiI/AAAAAAAAANg/1D1j1C-I3Fw/s640/09082010690.JPG

Just fits: -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2Vv0KbmI/AAAAAAAAANk/ec-6ugEgykk/s640/09082010691.JPG


And along the back: -

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2XFjvO0I/AAAAAAAAANs/sFd9FnNZfQM/s640/09082010693.JPG


Here they are together! Beastly! :-

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2YGIMvJI/AAAAAAAAANw/tR5rpjgBsOM/s640/09082010694.JPG

And they work: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2aL4mRSI/AAAAAAAAAN4/poE0yFu47_8/s640/09082010696.JPG

whichamiga, just to show all the juicy details :) : -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGB2bM7ofhI/AAAAAAAAAN8/wQW_c3usZKs/s640/09082010697.JPG

So there you go! Thats cheered me up a bit after all the BVPPC crap :)


Enjoy the pr0n! ;)

Les

mfilos
10th August 2010, 07:13
I'm really enjoying all the pics my friend! I hope the best of luck. It's indeed a nice pr0n viewing and a really slick modding! Damn, I need to finish at some point my own A1200D PPC :)

Keep up the excellent work \o/

stachu100
10th August 2010, 08:22
Very nice work!
Hope you will find BVision - system is really flying on this graphic card. And for AOS4.0 BVision is a "must have" in my opinion.

It's giving me more and more motivation to finish my A4000D -> Tower+Mediator+VooDoo 5 5500 project. :)
My first A4000D will stay in desktop anyway - I like classic design. ;)

Kyle
10th August 2010, 08:35
Your A1200D will be a superb machine :thumbsup:

Phipscube
10th August 2010, 09:11
I'm really enjoying all the pics my friend! I hope the best of luck. It's indeed a nice pr0n viewing and a really slick modding! Damn, I need to finish at some point my own A1200D PPC :)

Keep up the excellent work \o/

Cheers mfilos, now I figured out how to embed photos I will provide even more close up goodness! I am on a bit of a roll at the moment with ideas so i'm steaming on whilst they are all fresh.


Very nice work!
Hope you will find BVision - system is really flying on this graphic card. And for AOS4.0 BVision is a "must have" in my opinion.

It's giving me more and more motivation to finish my A4000D -> Tower+Mediator+VooDoo 5 5500 project. :)
My first A4000D will stay in desktop anyway - I like classic design. ;)

I agree Stan, Love the classic look. Can't stand Towers! Would love to be able to hack an Amiga into a (useable) laptop!


Your A1200D will be a superb machine :thumbsup:

I hope so Kyle :) Cheers!

I've edited some earlier posts in this thread so the photos are more flowing. I just need to figure out how to embed youtube videos, anyone care to let me in on how to do it via PM? ;) I am still quite a n00B :whistle:

AG_DK
11th August 2010, 18:09
Hi,
Beautiful work. :bowdown:

My 1200D project looks like :censored: next to yours.

Best regards
Allan

salaxi54
12th August 2010, 08:22
I agree Stan, Love the classic look. Can't stand Towers! Would love to be able to hack an Amiga into a (useable) laptop!


That would be awesome, but still very costly! Take it from a guy who's done it on an A600... Nearly impossible to find a "proper" laptop shell, and you need to find a wide screen (due to the A1200's mobo length) that you'd have to figure how to interface with.. Not to mention the power part, where a battery is real difficult. I can't really say mine is a laptop, more like a portable unit. :coffee:

Phipscube
14th August 2010, 00:03
Hi,
Beautiful work. :bowdown:

My 1200D project looks like :censored: next to yours.

Best regards
Allan

HAHA! cheers Allan, but do you have any pics? i'm sure its not that bad! would love to see it :)




I agree Stan, Love the classic look. Can't stand Towers! Would love to be able to hack an Amiga into a (useable) laptop!


That would be awesome, but still very costly! Take it from a guy who's done it on an A600... Nearly impossible to find a "proper" laptop shell, and you need to find a wide screen (due to the A1200's mobo length) that you'd have to figure how to interface with.. Not to mention the power part, where a battery is real difficult. I can't really say mine is a laptop, more like a portable unit. :coffee:

I'd love a tiny small Amiga laptop. The closest I have is this Acer Aspire one I write on now which dual boots Ubuntu with Icaros. Do you have any pics of your project? would love to see it!


And here are some more pics of my project...

The rear exhaust fan is in, providing much needed heat release from the HDD and indivision.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_0hnrMbI/AAAAAAAAAUE/qHQOW-bDm4A/s640/13082010756.JPG


I've also made my custom back plate for VGA and Ethernet.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_KOSGY6I/AAAAAAAAARI/ilD8UowQJXU/s640/10082010706.JPG


The blank part of the board will one day hold an auto video switching circuit for BVision and Indi outputs. the small Ethernet adapter will connect to my Subway at some point.


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_qJYW0RI/AAAAAAAAATY/eWZUwSc-1_Q/s640/13082010743.JPG


The Compact Flash card reader is in too..

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_lWiM2UI/AAAAAAAAATI/5a0rsv33dVw/s640/13082010739.JPG

The card fits nicely.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_mcydaKI/AAAAAAAAATM/U1u8z8oEjvc/s640/13082010740.JPG


USB ports in as well!


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_b7ZmOWI/AAAAAAAAASg/vmFE7Gtayn0/s640/13082010730.JPG


Bit of glue for them and they are solid.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_sbgdK0I/AAAAAAAAATk/c3d0GZrGipI/s640/13082010747.JPG

Floppy installed ok ontop.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_uLVk2XI/AAAAAAAAATs/P-OdBv0buZs/s640/13082010749.JPG


Did some major modding to my delfina so it fits under my keyboard.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_jJTDvnI/AAAAAAAAAS8/1BC3UO5bpmw/s640/13082010737.JPG


It squeezes in over the DVD cables.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_x2LGMVI/AAAAAAAAAT4/3W7Bl6pH7bI/s640/13082010752.JPG


From the other side next to the BPPC. a fair bit of space between it and the BPPC.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_yshil5I/AAAAAAAAAT8/yEi5G1ke14A/s640/13082010754.JPG


Looking under the keyboard there is plenty of space! a good 2mm! ;)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_znGc45I/AAAAAAAAAUA/Jk2f4bTAG6M/s640/13082010755.JPG


With the keyboard resting comfortably.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_1N61tmI/AAAAAAAAAUI/E5-Gu6zoxTo/s640/13082010757.JPG


So thats my doings over the last few days, as always see my G+ album for the more intricate details of my modding here: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801

Enjoy! :D

Zetr0
14th August 2010, 00:26
@Phipscube (http://www.amibay.com/member.php?u=2206)

I have been reviewing this wonderfull build - truly inspiring!

and you know what... I think I can help you with the BVision =D

PM on route

Kyle
14th August 2010, 08:17
I have only a word to say: EXCELLENT! :bowdown:

Kin Hell
14th August 2010, 21:44
No one seems to be rating threads theseday's, so I took liberty of Gold Starring this one & must insist it gets a Sticky too!

@ Phipscube

Simply stunning m8. Just absolutely fan-bloomin-tastic. :nod:

All the best.

Kin

SkydivinGirl
15th August 2010, 16:19
Very, very nice! :D You did a great job!

Heather

Phipscube
15th August 2010, 21:23
@Phipscube (http://www.amibay.com/member.php?u=2206)

I have been reviewing this wonderfull build - truly inspiring!

and you know what... I think I can help you with the BVision =D

PM on route

Cheers Keith! I'm glad you like it :) PM's are bouncing back an forth regarding your BVision :) just so everyone knows, Its a broken one but it might be possible to make one good BVision out of my Dud and Keiths.


I have only a word to say: EXCELLENT! :bowdown:

Thanks again Kyle, i'm glad you are enjoying my little project :)


No one seems to be rating threads theseday's, so I took liberty of Gold Starring this one & must insist it gets a Sticky too!

@ Phipscube

Simply stunning m8. Just absolutely fan-bloomin-tastic. :nod:

All the best.

Kin

WOW! :o Thanks very very muchly Kin! :D Is my Project really that good? :oops: I do hope it can help others with good ideas in modding their own A1200's. Just like Mfilos and r0jaws projects inspired me, I must say I am feeling very honoured to be pinned up in the sticky section along with those guys!


Very, very nice! :D You did a great job!

Heather

Thanks Heather! I'm glad you like it :) And i'm not quite finished yet so more to come! In the next few days i will mount the Subway, that will be along the back. also need to mount the three case fans and cut a hole in the Accelerator trapdoor and put some mesh in it so that beastly BPPC can breathe a bit ;)

Kin Hell
15th August 2010, 23:44
Is you project really that good!?

Jesus fella, you've crammed so much stuff into that A1200 Desktop, you deserve a medal for doing it in such a beautiful manner. :thumbsup:

Very tidy indeed. :nod:

Kin

Phipscube
16th August 2010, 08:24
HAHA! Aye ok I guess I have gone a bit mental, still more to get in that old girl though! Then you can give me a medal Kin, Ok ? ;)


Is you project really that good!?

Jesus fella, you've crammed so much stuff into that A1200 Desktop, you deserve a medal for doing it in such a beautiful manner. :thumbsup:

Very tidy indeed. :nod:

Kin

Kin Hell
16th August 2010, 11:07
HAHA! Aye ok I guess I have gone a bit mental, still more to get in that old girl though! Then you can give me a medal Kin, Ok ? ;)

So long as you have a chest to pin it on. :D

Seriously though, a really fantastic job well done. :nod:

Kin

Phipscube
16th August 2010, 12:13
HAHA! Aye ok I guess I have gone a bit mental, still more to get in that old girl though! Then you can give me a medal Kin, Ok ? ;)

So long as you have a chest to pin it on. :D

Seriously though, a really fantastic job well done. :nod:

Kin


Just need a G-Clamp for my swelling head as well :p

But yeah, seriously its nice to receive lots of praise, makes me happy about what i've done so far :)

Phipscube
18th August 2010, 10:31
So here are a few more things i've been doing: -

I managed to fit the Subway along the back and made some plugs on the end of the 4 wires coming from the 2 side USB ports, the Ethernet adapter and the CF card reader. I also installed my BVision temporarily to see how it all fit. The heatsinks on the BVision arent fixed down.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubTVQjQWI/AAAAAAAAAZE/LDVkF9YW38c/s640/16082010798.JPG


Heres a zoomed out view of everything in just so you see how crammed the old girl is! :D

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubUKAVpXI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/Is-pYLVkgv8/s640/16082010800.JPG


I modified the trapdoor with an aluminium mesh


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubVFyD-QI/AAAAAAAAAZk/3GDCmlh7sp4/s640/17082010805.JPG


Thats better for the Beast, and I think it looks kinda mean... like a wild caged animal! Don't worry it wont bite now ;)


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubVIs9QMI/AAAAAAAAAZo/MeChHOqNVRQ/s640/17082010806.JPG


Added the case fans! much needed air intake. The old girl sounds a bit rowdy now, even though the fans are rated at 11dB, its still a bit noisy.


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubWFyrqAI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/aH2uDRfkPuY/s640/17082010811.JPG


A shot of the case coming over the top, with the fans in view.


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubWWk43SI/AAAAAAAAAaA/jsVAtx39ihc/s640/17082010812.JPG


That anxious moment before you power up after a heavy mod... will it work, will it burn... you all know that feeling (its what us modders kinda get a kick from)................ SHE WORKS!

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubW1J1f6I/AAAAAAAAAaQ/8_C8kiU1tmA/s640/17082010816.JPG


I treat her to a little bit of bling: -

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubWsUy9zI/AAAAAAAAAaI/kUhEPQ1jOhM/s640/17082010814.JPG


And a wide shot to show off


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGubW52xYmI/AAAAAAAAAaM/aLln1GPqIZQ/s640/17082010815.JPG


You can see more details at my G+ web album too of course :)



https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801 (http://picasaweb.google.com/106929866019169011552/A1200Mods#)



Enjoy! :D

Buzzfuzz
18th August 2010, 11:41
Wow, this looks amazing :D
That mesh idea on the trapdoor is a pretty good idea :thumbsup:

Are the fans glued ?

Kyle
18th August 2010, 11:49
Great as always :thumbsup:

Just a curiosity, how much have you spent for the whole beast?

tokyoracer
18th August 2010, 12:16
That's more busy then a bishops hat! I love that badge too, where did you get that from may I ask? :)

Justin
18th August 2010, 12:20
That's more busy then a bishops hat! I love that badge too, where did you get that from may I ask? :)

ebay Germany has loads of different designs of miggy case badges, i have the black version on my A4K tower :thumbsup:

Phipscube
18th August 2010, 13:12
Wow, this looks amazing :D
That mesh idea on the trapdoor is a pretty good idea :thumbsup:

Are the fans glued ?

I stuck them down with small pieces of industrial sticky back pad (from work) but added some hot glue around the edges after I took the photo just to be sure.


Great as always :thumbsup:

Just a curiosity, how much have you spent for the whole beast?

Since April and in bits of course it adds up to A touch over €1500 (excluding shipping costs)... don't tell my missus :whistle:


That's more busy then a bishops hat! I love that badge too, where did you get that from may I ask? :)

As JuvUK says you can find them on Ebay.de... but I got mine from Alinea, they have lots of crazy merchandise too :) Check here: -

http://www.amiga-shop.net/index.php?cPath=42_44&sort=2a&page=2

Phipscube
21st August 2010, 23:30
So my quest to get software running has started. I've not had much time the last few days to do much with the old girl (packing to go away) but tonight I managed to get the Subway USB controller running and verify that all my USB ports are working :)

heres a short vid on Youtube: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-V1dCwKggQ&feature=channel

Excuse my fumbling, it was hard to plug in the USB stick and CF card when looking through the camera video window :p

(anyone care to tell me how to embed video? Yes i'm dense so PM me :D )

And some photos: -

Firstly, I tried to do a bit of hackery with my daughter sat on my knee.. not a good idea... she enjoyed herself though nearly smashing the keyboard! :D

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBDluzrcI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/h-5vZxf0bzw/s640/21082010829.JPG


Ok, this is with the Subway installed. as you can see my CF card reader and Ethernet adapter are both detected.


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBFGEysXI/AAAAAAAAAiY/1lKI1lZmCW0/s640/21082010831.JPG


I plug in a USB key into one of the USB ports..

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBH3G8CeI/AAAAAAAAAik/3ML40kcbVjs/s640/21082010834.JPG


Its detected! :)


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBGhlRRWI/AAAAAAAAAig/dOMJPFbeDjQ/s640/21082010833.JPG


And on the workbench...


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBJUT0B7I/AAAAAAAAAis/o8r-cqDJY_E/s640/21082010836.JPG


Trying out the CF reader....


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBJ5QdR_I/AAAAAAAAAiw/HB_F3KhzhA0/s640/21082010837.JPG


And that pops up instantly too :)


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THBBKqVlctI/AAAAAAAAAi0/IW5dHkSXrfk/s640/21082010838.JPG


So those parts work!

My G+ album for a few more shots: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801 (http://picasaweb.google.com/106929866019169011552/A1200Mods#)

Next i'd like to try testing the Ethernet adapter and Delfina... I go away next Wednesday for a while so I hope I can squeeze them tests in beforehand!

lauri.lotvonen
23rd August 2010, 12:08
Really a mind opening post. I'll have to get that slot cd-drive thingy that you have :laugh:. And a really nicely done job indeed

SkydivinGirl
23rd August 2010, 14:20
I have one question regarding your mods. The cuts in your plastic look so smooth and straight. How did you do that? Whenever I cut plastic, it ends up crooked, melted or both!

Incredible job!

Heather

Phipscube
23rd August 2010, 20:22
Really a mind opening post. I'll have to get that slot cd-drive thingy that you have :laugh:. And a really nicely done job indeed

Cheers lauri, if you need any tips on getting a Slot loader in your Amiga 1200, don't hesitate to PM me and I will help you :)


I have one question regarding your mods. The cuts in your plastic look so smooth and straight. How did you do that? Whenever I cut plastic, it ends up crooked, melted or both!

Incredible job!

Heather

Hi Heather, well to be honest I made a right old mess when I first cut with a dremel: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwT7kYVBI/AAAAAAAAACM/3JjlZNPKpGE/s640/29072010600.JPG

I tend to cut about ½mm inside the line I make, with the dremel on highest speed, but run it very slowly across, bit by bit. Never try and take the cut in one go. Then spend a hell of a long time with a miniature file taking a small area at a time. I mark the line with a piece of tape like this: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwU5XsftI/AAAAAAAAACU/0XkaxZcuOfM/s640/30072010610.JPG


Then follow it very carefully. It took me nearly 2 hours to get that slot how it is, spread out over the day, I took breaks of course :)

The key is a fairly steady hand, good eye for a straight edge and a bucket load of patience :)

Shall I tell you what the most important thing was in getting the drive in the right place? ....

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwIAXKD7I/AAAAAAAAAA8/1mytiPkiH2s/s640/21062010274.JPG


Yep, play dough! (your second thought I imagine ;) ) I placed the DVD drive on top carefully, then pressed the Amiga's top casing over it, when I took it away the drive was stuck in the perfect place ready to measure up the PC backplates against its sides. I measured up the slot position simply with a ruler from the lip of the bottom casing to the drive slot, then took the same measurement from the bottom of the top casing up: -


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwTPijlwI/AAAAAAAAACI/znLlgXrTYqs/s640/28072010599.JPG


You can see I marked the edges of the drive slot on the bottom part, then ran the ruler up. I was slightly off at one side when I had cut by about ½mm, but propped the drive with a small washer which fixed the problem.

I used similar methods to cut the USB and CF slots :)

johnim
23rd August 2010, 20:57
hi Phipscube
i have totally killed 1 case trying to do similar with a slot drive and will try again with my other case and have another backup just in case thanks for your pics they will help great job with all of this

SkydivinGirl
23rd August 2010, 21:51
Wow! I guess patience is the best way to cut the plastic then. :D Thanks so much for sharing.

Heather

wurzel
23rd August 2010, 22:30
I`ve only just seen this thread, but I gotta say WOW! That is simply amazing, how you managed to fit all that in and yet look so professional. I`m simply amazed :thumbsup::bowdown:

Just a quick question, if I may?

Where did you get your clockport expander? I`ve been trying to get one for years :(

I`d love to be able to fit my Subway in my tower, but the clockport is used by the keyboard adapter.

Anyway, brilliant stuff :nod:

Merlin
23rd August 2010, 22:45
Wow! I guess patience is the best way to cut the plastic then. :D Thanks so much for sharing.

Heather

Putting it in the freezer also helps, as it doesn't melt so much when you cut it. I learned that trick from Zetr0 :thumbsup:.

When I cut the slot for my Apple slot loader Combo drive on my A1200, I first rounded off the two corners of the original Apple bezel that weren't rounded, then I cut the slot to match the bezel. My A1200's slot is cut larger than Phipscube's, but I got to keep the 'brushes' that Apple fitted to the bezel to keep dust out. The Apple bezel is pretty close to the A1200 colour too.

I just wish that I could have figured out how to add an eject button to the Apple Combo CW-8123C drive. if anyone knows how to do this, I'd be really grateful, as the IDEFix eject software can be a pain at times.

lauri.lotvonen
23rd August 2010, 23:33
Using play dough is just brillant, I have to try that also :).
Looked for the TEAC drive from EvilBay and cheapest I could find was refubished for 42 USD + shipping.

And I have a cheap-o dremel, it did not come with a blade like that. Looks a lot more easy to use on plastic than mine.

portarinos
23rd August 2010, 23:35
Same with me here. Last time i found one it was a bargain but i forgot to sign in and bid. Auction ended at 4 euros so i'm still searching. If anyone know where we could get hold of these beauties at a low cost, it would be of much help really.

Phipscube
24th August 2010, 00:29
hi Phipscube
i have totally killed 1 case trying to do similar with a slot drive and will try again with my other case and have another backup just in case thanks for your pics they will help great job with all of this

Cheers and I hope my methods help you :)


Wow! I guess patience is the best way to cut the plastic then. :D Thanks so much for sharing.

Heather

Patience really is the key ingredient (Apart from lumps of my sons play dough).. and maybe its determination also? I really wanted to make a good job :)


I`ve only just seen this thread, but I gotta say WOW! That is simply amazing, how you managed to fit all that in and yet look so professional. I`m simply amazed :thumbsup::bowdown:

Just a quick question, if I may?

Where did you get your clockport expander? I`ve been trying to get one for years :(

I`d love to be able to fit my Subway in my tower, but the clockport is used by the keyboard adapter.

Anyway, brilliant stuff :nod:

I got it off DJBase over on EAB here: -

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=52581

Post a request and how many you'd like then be patient and at some point he will PM you when he's made it. I waited 2 months to give you a rough idea. It works incredibly well, and super high quality, even hand soldered! There is not much on it but the workmanship is stellar.



Wow! I guess patience is the best way to cut the plastic then. :D Thanks so much for sharing.

Heather

Putting it in the freezer also helps, as it doesn't melt so much when you cut it. I learned that trick from Zetr0 :thumbsup:.

When I cut the slot for my Apple slot loader Combo drive on my A1200, I first rounded off the two corners of the original Apple bezel that weren't rounded, then I cut the slot to match the bezel. My A1200's slot is cut larger than Phipscube's, but I got to keep the 'brushes' that Apple fitted to the bezel to keep dust out. The Apple bezel is pretty close to the A1200 colour too.

I just wish that I could have figured out how to add an eject button to the Apple Combo CW-8123C drive. if anyone knows how to do this, I'd be really grateful, as the IDEFix eject software can be a pain at times.

Thanks for the freezer tip! I will try that next time I have to cut something :)

Just a thought on your drive problem... does it have any solder points along the front behind the bezel? Mine had no such eject button either, but I found a small area for soldering an eject pin and an LED....


Anyway, i've had a spare 5 mins to try my Delfina today and I am pleased, it outputs crystal clear CDDA and passes through native audio, all looped back and forth to the rear phono ports (now mounted upside down on a piece of strip board and hot glued in) not had time to check DSP specific software yet though (quiet audio because my kids are asleep): -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXfacZFwhBI

I also had a quick blast with my PSX pad adapter on Mega Typhoon.. again testing the native sound through the Delfina, this time after a soft boot and loading from floppy (BPPC is disabled also as the game goes nuts with the 060): -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsar0rZVAoU

One niggle is that Native sound output will only come through once the driver is active. The cool thing is that after the first boot, any soft boots from then keep the driver in memory, so soft resetting and loading from a floppy means that sound output from the native audio is still passed through :) I might add a small hardware audio mixer at some point though as I want native audio from cold boot (I'm picky). But for now i'm very happy :)

here are a couple of photos as well, the Delfina shows up in AHI: -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THLqjF6WtoI/AAAAAAAAAkg/krCZaKpf3L0/s640/22082010840.JPG


CD player: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THLqj-x1LoI/AAAAAAAAAkk/cwLfgFB7qsE/s640/23082010842.JPG


The PSX adapter with Dualshock 2: -


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/THLqMHngJhI/AAAAAAAAAkY/m6Sk4mjsLCw/s640/23082010843.JPG


My G+ photos: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5500182330690930801

And sadly I wont be able to add any updates for a while as I am travelling to the UK for 4 months whilst my wife does some research and I take my paternity leave. I considered taking my A1200 with me, but its too risky. I don't want to end up with the old girl getting destroyed in a suitcase. it wasn't a big deal when she came over in April all vanilla flavoured, but now she has all sorts of fruity toppings I think its best I put her away safe somewhere until January, then the madness will continue :) I wont be totally Amigaless... well, if you count AROS. I'm taking my netbook loaded with AROS and plan to spend a bit of time getting to know it better. I'll have internet access too so will still be hanging around here looking (drooling) at other folks projects :)

Kin Hell
24th August 2010, 01:02
Phipscube's son stopped using Play-Doh years ago, but he still likes playing with it. ;) :mrgreen:

Such a brilliant yet simple idea. As an Engineer, I would have had the Height Guage out, the Digital Calipers and scribing tools & would have then just milled it's ass clean off. On a bridgeport with Digital readout, it's just a simple case of sticking a fag paper on, touching it & then indexing to position, plunge through with an end-mill tool of required Diameter & index to length required & remove tool. :cool:

Boy's & toys I guess, but Play-Doh. Just too wicked to descibe. :readit:

You're a star fella. :nod:

Kin

Phipscube
24th August 2010, 08:33
Using play dough is just brillant, I have to try that also :).
Looked for the TEAC drive from EvilBay and cheapest I could find was refubished for 42 USD + shipping.

And I have a cheap-o dremel, it did not come with a blade like that. Looks a lot more easy to use on plastic than mine.

The drives are plenty on evil bay, I wouldn't recommend a refurbed one either as you might get a shock like I did with my first one. after a few weeks it made god awful noises and died. spend that extra £5 or so and get a new one.

My dremel is infact a chaepo one too... get a pack of bigger blades and use brand new ones so they are super sharp. I used 2 new blades just to cut the dvd drive slot as half way through the first one started jamming like crazy and I was really crapping!


Same with me here. Last time i found one it was a bargain but i forgot to sign in and bid. Auction ended at 4 euros so i'm still searching. If anyone know where we could get hold of these beauties at a low cost, it would be of much help really.

WOW! 4 euros! I wish I saw that too :D I guess if you keep looking you might grab a bargain... but like above, I wouldn't recommend refurbs, second hand may be ok as there is less risk its been damaged, but refurbs certainly have broke at some point. The main problem with my broken one was worn cogs that got even more worn when it jammed.


Phipscube's son stopped using Play-Doh years ago, but he still likes playing with it. ;) :mrgreen:

Such a brilliant yet simple idea. As an Engineer, I would have had the Height Guage out, the Digital Calipers and scribing tools & would have then just milled it's ass clean off. On a bridgeport with Digital readout, it's just a simple case of sticking a fag paper on, touching it & then indexing to position, plunge through with an end-mill tool of required Diameter & index to length required & remove tool. :cool:

Boy's & toys I guess, but Play-Doh. Just too wicked to descibe. :readit:

You're a star fella. :nod:

Kin


HAHA! you know my secret! Really I was messing about making fake poo and laying it on the A1200, then I had a revelation! :D :cool: :whistle:

Justin
24th August 2010, 08:42
this A1200 is a work of art!:thumbsup:

which bit of the UK are you going to?

Phipscube
24th August 2010, 12:33
this A1200 is a work of art!:thumbsup:

which bit of the UK are you going to?

I'll be living in Windsor! I'm originally from Hull up North and even though I have been living in Denmark for nearly 8 years I still have my "thick" Northern accent, or so i'm told, so it will be quite amusing trying to communicate... Local Chippy for example : -

"iya luv, av yeh gorra pa'e bu'e n chips rap'd?, ta.. an can yeh purra birra sal n vinigur onnem zwell, chiaz, taa luv"

Mind you I don't think patty butties exist down South, its all Pie n' chips 'aint it? ;)

Anyway, so I might nip round to Windsor castle as well, see if Queen's in n' that and get her to put a brew on :D

My Amiga is now stowed away somewhere safe and warm waiting for me to come back, i'll miss the old girl (sob weep)

Merlin
24th August 2010, 12:42
@Phipscube

I think you might struggle for a buttie dahn sarf mate; they don't even know what barms are, they call 'em muffins, oven bottoms, teacakes and all kinds of weird names... it's a butty FFS!!

BTW, I can provide subtitles for that charming little tale of Northern life that you describe above. Did you live anywhere near Coronation Street?

:rofl3

Phipscube
24th August 2010, 15:50
@Phipscube

I think you might struggle for a buttie dahn sarf mate; they don't even know what barms are, they call 'em muffins, oven bottoms, teacakes and all kinds of weird names... it's a butty FFS!!

BTW, I can provide subtitles for that charming little tale of Northern life that you describe above. Did you live anywhere near Coronation Street?

:rofl3


HAHA! Yeh, yeh, am gerrin' ragg'd on me aksunt alredi :D , I think of Monty Python when I think of Windsor folk..."aren't we posh, OOOUUH, AN H-OOP!.. No buttered scones for me tonight mater, i'm ouurff to play the grrraaand pianouw" :p

Actually my wife wants them to teach me how to speak a little more "RP" her being a linguist and all that jazz, i'm a really bad example for her :D

lauri.lotvonen
24th August 2010, 16:34
@ Phipscube

What about that eject button? Did you just solder the two wires to the back or did you have to make some more special modifications to the drive?

And could this drive do the trick? As you can see it has the eject button on front so I would not have to solder he wires =)...

wurzel
24th August 2010, 19:23
I got it off DJBase over on EAB here: -

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=52581

Post a request and how many you'd like then be patient and at some point he will PM you when he's made it. I waited 2 months to give you a rough idea. It works incredibly well, and super high quality, even hand soldered! There is not much on it but the workmanship is stellar.

Thanks very much!!!!
I`ve put an order in for 2 ;) I can`t tell you how many years I`ve been looking for this.

You deserve another Gold Star for being such a goldmine of information!

You are da man! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::D

Phipscube
24th August 2010, 20:44
@ Phipscube

What about that eject button? Did you just solder the two wires to the back or did you have to make some more special modifications to the drive?

And could this drive do the trick? As you can see it has the eject button on front so I would not have to solder he wires =)...

I soldered two wires thus: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwLBkzguI/AAAAAAAAABU/Vd4F2uov9CA/s800/22062010281.JPG


Then routed the wire around to the side here: -

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwLicvN0I/AAAAAAAAABY/1OFYEUkzuPY/s800/22062010282.JPG


So it sits like this (I have since changed this to be hanging as I had to move the HDD a touch to stop it resting on the indivision, but you get the idea): -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwRZN5vhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/uQlqHCsEz6c/s800/24062010304.JPG


And here is the button mount. I drilled a hole and stuck it down with hot glue: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwVwNUm_I/AAAAAAAAACc/mClgDM-HfvQ/s800/30072010615.JPG

Not sure if you have seen all the pics for my DVD mod, but if you look here: -

https://plus.google.com/photos/+LesRailton/albums/5499792474239681953 (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/106929866019169011552/CustomA1200DSlotLoadDVDDrive#)

you'll see many more details :)

The drive you mention, can you provide a link?


I got it off DJBase over on EAB here: -

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=52581

Post a request and how many you'd like then be patient and at some point he will PM you when he's made it. I waited 2 months to give you a rough idea. It works incredibly well, and super high quality, even hand soldered! There is not much on it but the workmanship is stellar.

Thanks very much!!!!
I`ve put an order in for 2 ;) I can`t tell you how many years I`ve been looking for this.

You deserve another Gold Star for being such a goldmine of information!

You are da man! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::D

No probs, I hope you get them pretty soon and have all 4 ports with juicy bits dangling off them! :mrgreen:

lauri.lotvonen
25th August 2010, 10:44
I must have been very tired last night, heres the link to the drive:

http://global.ebay.com/Teac_DV-28SL_Slot-Load_Slim-Line_Laufwerk/400061407822/item .

:tired:

Phipscube
26th August 2010, 21:49
I must have been very tired last night, heres the link to the drive:

http://global.ebay.com/Teac_DV-28SL_Slot-Load_Slim-Line_Laufwerk/400061407822/item .

:tired:

Yeah, that drive is the same as mine with a bezel already mounted it seems. You could basically cut a BIG hole and fit the whole bezel in, or remove the bezel and mount it like I have except you have the button pre soldered. But the button you see on the drive may be fixed to the bezel, so when you remove the bezel, the button comes too. You'll still have a small button underneath, but it means you'd have to find something that can replace the bezel button and protrude outside the A1200 casing. Thats doable and you don't have to worry about soldering :)

Tomse
26th August 2010, 22:21
Where did you get your clockport expander? I`ve been trying to get one for years :(


Have you tried adding a wanted post in the wanted forum regarding this ?

I've seen one today on the other bay, but the guy wants 4 oilfields and a diamond mine (or close) for it.

cheers

lauri.lotvonen
27th August 2010, 05:07
I must have been very tired last night, heres the link to the drive:

http://global.ebay.com/Teac_DV-28SL_Slot-Load_Slim-Line_Laufwerk/400061407822/item .

:tired:

Yeah, that drive is the same as mine with a bezel already mounted it seems. You could basically cut a BIG hole and fit the whole bezel in, or remove the bezel and mount it like I have except you have the button pre soldered. But the button you see on the drive may be fixed to the bezel, so when you remove the bezel, the button comes too. You'll still have a small button underneath, but it means you'd have to find something that can replace the bezel button and protrude outside the A1200 casing. Thats doable and you don't have to worry about soldering :)

Now when thought about it again, it seems that your setup would be easier to adapt, soldering should not be an issue to me. I just have to wait for cheaper drives on evilbay... How much did you pay for yours?

wurzel
27th August 2010, 07:44
Where did you get your clockport expander? I`ve been trying to get one for years :(


Have you tried adding a wanted post in the wanted forum regarding this ?

I've seen one today on the other bay, but the guy wants 4 oilfields and a diamond mine (or close) for it.

cheers

Yeah, I tried years ago a couple of times but no response.

As for the other one - well, I only have 1 oilfield so it`s a non-starter :nuts:
Thanks anyway

Phipscube
27th August 2010, 08:11
Now when thought about it again, it seems that your setup would be easier to adapt, soldering should not be an issue to me. I just have to wait for cheaper drives on evilbay... How much did you pay for yours?

I paid £32 for a new one, the previous one I bought was refurbished for £25 and lasted 2 weeks then broke. The most important thing for fitting, especially over an IDE Fix Express is the size of the JAE adapter. The ones commonly found on evil bay are too big, I got mine randomly from an old machine at work so have no idea where to get one, but it has to be about 1 mm THINNER than the drive itself (½mm each side).

lauri.lotvonen
27th August 2010, 14:51
Now when thought about it again, it seems that your setup would be easier to adapt, soldering should not be an issue to me. I just have to wait for cheaper drives on evilbay... How much did you pay for yours?

I paid £32 for a new one, the previous one I bought was refurbished for £25 and lasted 2 weeks then broke. The most important thing for fitting, especially over an IDE Fix Express is the size of the JAE adapter. The ones commonly found on evil bay are too big, I got mine randomly from an old machine at work so have no idea where to get one, but it has to be about 1 mm THINNER than the drive itself (½mm each side).

I have two JAE adapters here, and they are both too big I guess, as they have those audio ports aswell. Why does the JAE adapter not fit if its thicker than the drive? I assume that is because you have to solder the wires to the back?

Phipscube
27th August 2010, 21:40
I have two JAE adapters here, and they are both too big I guess, as they have those audio ports aswell. Why does the JAE adapter not fit if its thicker than the drive? I assume that is because you have to solder the wires to the back?

Maybe they will be ok if the IDE connector is not against the bottom part of the JAE adapter and you don't use an IDE Express adapter. What happens is the IDE connector adds to the length of the drive making it sit higher up slightly on the A1200 mainboard, and if you also have an IDE Fix Express adapter the JAE board literally rests on the Chip on the Gayle adapter, if its too big then the drive rests even higher. and those ½mm from the bottom add up to make the keyboard and then the top casing not fit so comfortably. If you do have an IDE Express you really need to remove the headers anyway, so it does get a bit complicated, see here: -

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwJSuH_KI/AAAAAAAAABI/lHOF-ZMbzhI/s640/21062010277.JPG


The drive sits too high before I remove the fly lead header (sat under the drive) the clock port header isn't in the way, but I removed that too later as it was annoying trying to fix in the Indivision.

Heres the drive resting on the IDE Fix express adapter chip: -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TFMwS0sDFpI/AAAAAAAAACE/rgqnC66-Rjk/s640/25062010310.JPG


I later shaved the JAE board underneath by another ½mm at the point where it sits on the chip and took off that insulating plastic so it made it that little bit more comfortable with the A1200 top on.

But really, I say get the drive first then go from there. :) My experience may not be your experience, its all a bit random and lucky with these mods.

Merlin
27th August 2010, 22:12
@ Phipscube

That picture where you soldered the wires onto the TEAC drive is exactly what I was looking for! Now I can take my Apple slot drive out of my A1200, solder some wires and a mouse button switch to it and have an eject button!

I know that behind the Apple bezel there are pads exactly like those on the Teac, but Apple don't use an eject button on the standard drive as they use a keypress on the keyboard.

Thanks :thumbsup::thumbsup:

@ Lauri

When I fitted my drive, I offered it up to the underside of the keyboard and stuck it there temporarily with some adhesive pads so that I could mark out the outline of the bezel on the inside of the case. Once I had that marked out, I dug out my vernier and copied the outline to the outside of the case and marked out where the slot had to be.

As the Apple bezel almost exactly matched the A1200's colour, I cut out the rounded slot for the bezel and left mine slightly recessed (look at an CW-8123 series drive on a certain site *cough* and you'll get the idea).

The wider slot locates the bezel and I secured the other end to the keyboard with sticky Velcro, to allow the drive to be removed if required. Fastening to the keyboard allows a little more headroom over the IDE header and IDE-Fix adapter.

Above all, remember; measure twice (at least), cut once.....

Phipscube
29th August 2010, 09:53
@ Phipscube

That picture where you soldered the wires onto the TEAC drive is exactly what I was looking for! Now I can take my Apple slot drive out of my A1200, solder some wires and a mouse button switch to it and have an eject button!

I know that behind the Apple bezel there are pads exactly like those on the Teac, but Apple don't use an eject button on the standard drive as they use a keypress on the keyboard.

Thanks :thumbsup::thumbsup:



No probs Merlin, glad I could help :)

lauri.lotvonen
29th August 2010, 16:29
@Phipscube
I guess I have no problems fitting the drive with the large JAE adapter that I have already, since I don't have the IDE-Fix adapter sitting underneath. I use that cheap Buffered IDE Interface from amigakit.eu + 14cm "flexible" cable with it.

@Merlin
That sticky velcro sounds like a great idea! And dont worry, I'll measure three times before I start slicing my dear Mig :p... Allready cutted the usb ports to the side and they turned out fine :)

Phipscube
31st August 2010, 09:00
@Phipscube
I guess I have no problems fitting the drive with the large JAE adapter that I have already, since I don't have the IDE-Fix adapter sitting underneath. I use that cheap Buffered IDE Interface from amigakit.eu + 14cm "flexible" cable with it.

@Merlin
That sticky velcro sounds like a great idea! And dont worry, I'll measure three times before I start slicing my dear Mig :p... Allready cutted the usb ports to the side and they turned out fine :)

If you don't have an IDE Fix Express then you should have enough space to fit a big JAE adapter yes :) Sounds like you are getting to a point where we will be seeing an A1200D project photo thread soon? ;)

portarinos
31st August 2010, 13:30
I'm about to enter in the game since i have already set up my loaded 1200 but free time seems to be my main problem. I have been buying all the goodies for my project and i've been trying to make it true in the last 2 and a half years but always something spoiled everything and the project wouldn't come to an end. After a lot of difficult decisions and changes i have recently closed the case once and for all (never say never though) so i should open a new thread in the following days. My humble 1200 comes loaded with lots of goodies but decided to leave out the slimline cdrom since it caused more problems than the benefits i had. Anyway i'll try to organize the photo material i have gathered and present it in a new thread. :)

Phipscube
1st September 2010, 14:25
I'm about to enter in the game since i have already set up my loaded 1200 but free time seems to be my main problem. I have been buying all the goodies for my project and i've been trying to make it true in the last 2 and a half years but always something spoiled everything and the project wouldn't come to an end. After a lot of difficult decisions and changes i have recently closed the case once and for all (never say never though) so i should open a new thread in the following days. My humble 1200 comes loaded with lots of goodies but decided to leave out the slimline cdrom since it caused more problems than the benefits i had. Anyway i'll try to organize the photo material i have gathered and present it in a new thread. :)

Nice one portarinos, make sure you get lots of close ups! Looking forward to seeing what you have done! :)

lauri.lotvonen
6th September 2010, 16:35
[QUOTE=lauri.lotvonen;95395]@Phipscube
I guess I have no problems fitting the drive with the large JAE adapter that I have already, since I don't have the IDE-Fix adapter sitting underneath. I use that cheap Buffered IDE Interface from amigakit.eu + 14cm "flexible" cable with it.


If you don't have an IDE Fix Express then you should have enough space to fit a big JAE adapter yes :) Sounds like you are getting to a point where we will be seeing an A1200D project photo thread soon? ;)

I have now tried the internal cd-rom mounting with a regular slimline drive, but the big and fat JAE adapter really is a problem. And I bought the Blizzard 1260 finally, so I'm thinking of buying a tower and Mediator for my A1200.

dj.echo
7th September 2010, 05:43
OMG no thats a 1200 were did you get the ps2 joypad thingy or is self made i am looking to beef up a 500 trying to get a cass mod so from the top of the keyboard for it to go up the box for the monitor to stand on and have cd rom an ex disk drive at the front like an all in one unit with zorro slots i have just saused some scsi to ide bridge boards very cheep on one amiga sit they are selling them for over £100 i got mine for £15 plus shipping if any one is looking pm me will let you know the web site:thumbsup:

Witcher1979
8th September 2010, 08:37
Wow what a machine. Where did the psx joypad things come from? I am loving the slot loaded DVD as well. Looks insane. Liking that USB to ethernet as well.

Given me so many ideas

Phipscube
8th September 2010, 20:27
Cheers guys :)

I got the PSX adapter from a guy called Paul Willingham. Here it is from his video: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnO6dKU1pT4

Contact him through PM on his youtube channel if your interested in buying any. It can actually be used for many 9 pin D computers, not just Amiga. Its got a controller chip inside the connector that plugs into the Amiga controlling everything in software so its a pretty neat and tidy solution :)

I have also attached some info about the PSX adapters so you can have a read up:coffee:

ad-rs1600i
16th September 2010, 19:50
Another very very impressive machine - very well done:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:bowdown:

I love reading these!! :)

Phipscube
20th September 2010, 09:57
Another very very impressive machine - very well done:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:bowdown:

I love reading these!! :)

Thanks ad-rs1600i :) I'm already missing the old girl and am really itching to get finished in January! You'll find lots of lovely hacks in the photo booth, we all tend to take really juicy close ups of the action too :) phwoar! ;)

The Khemist
27th September 2010, 19:51
WOW. That is one mean 1200.:bowdown: Love the Slot Load!!! :thumbsup:


Just started on my 1200 rebuild fitting a std laptop cd-rom. :nod:

Phipscube
11th January 2011, 23:17
YES! BVision is repaired and in! :D Only done initial tests, but so far so good....

See my Repair thread for details on what i did: -

http://amibay.com/showthread.php?t=12634

here's a few more pics...

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzW8akEVbI/AAAAAAAAA6o/eS6mMY8XWUA/s640/11012011804.JPG

The connector is replaced and all soldered up!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzW_PSkoFI/AAAAAAAAA6o/o_WNAKwna30/s640/11012011807.JPG


Finished off with a nice bit of shiny laquer :)


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzW_phtF8I/AAAAAAAAA6o/RO_LCV8wdMo/s640/11012011808.JPG


Boots up first time and i'm straight into the Early Startup Screen :)


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbP08Y-2I/AAAAAAAAA8A/rqzGFUf7QRs/s640/11012011810.JPG


The Boot Screen looks weird though, is this normal through the BV?


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbPVf0CHI/AAAAAAAAA78/mkQsxy34F5o/s640/11012011809.JPG


There she is nestled in nicely :)


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbQvWTV_I/AAAAAAAAA8E/5zT8rg6LjPA/s640/11012011811.JPG

Another shot showing it go under the Clockport Expander. No heat sinks installed as yet, and it gets ruddy hot in minutes! :wooha: Will be much better with heat sinks on and case on top with fans blowing :)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbRg9dfgI/AAAAAAAAA8I/dsC2rPfVOV4/s640/11012011812.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbSa7bQVI/AAAAAAAAA8M/hkrJVdZQ4AA/s640/11012011813.JPG


Couple more shots inside, s'cuse the mess! :D


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbTpYXIxI/AAAAAAAAA8U/oVDsuhn3vu0/s640/11012011815.JPG


I had to do a quick mod on the HDD power. It was dropping off like mad with the BV in, so snipped the power being fed from the IDE Fix Express and hard wired +5V from the PSU connector. No probs now :) You can see my temporary cludge for audio out here too. this will be a better board, more secure, with a mixer cct and possibly a couple of external ports for mic and line in.


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TSzbS37O9dI/AAAAAAAAA8Q/0ghQdjLDA7Q/s640/11012011814.JPG


I tried booting her up through Indivision, just to make sure there is no mess onscreen and that the power is good with BV in... it all seems ok. +5V is at 4.69V

So I need to get CyberGrafx 4 on and get the latest driver for BV next! then we can see some REAL juicy display action :)

Would like to know if the boot screen should be messed up like it is... anyone?

Anyway, thanks for looking... more to come! :thumbsup:

fitzsteve
11th January 2011, 23:22
Yeah I'm pretty sure boot screen was messed up on mine too!

Hella cool the BVision can even display some of the native screen though, even basic workbench ones, I was well impressed.

Keep up the great work mate, no idea how you got so much in that A1200 shell but its lookin' great :thumbsup:

Steve.

mfilos
11th January 2011, 23:26
Insane piece of work my friend!!! Thumbs up.
I think that the weird Kick screen is not an issue. Don't worry about it :)

If you want you can have my test 3.9 Setup that has the 3.9+BB3+AfAOS+CGX blah blah just to test teh beast easily :)
Drop me your PM to send an invite to my Dropbox

Keep up the excellent work mate

Phipscube
11th January 2011, 23:33
Yeah I'm pretty sure boot screen was messed up on mine too!

Hella cool the BVision can even display some of the native screen though, even basic workbench ones, I was well impressed.

Keep up the great work mate, no idea how you got so much in that A1200 shell but its lookin' great :thumbsup:

Steve.

Cheers Steve! I vaguely remember a weird boot screen back in the days, but that was 1999! Just wanted some verification :)

Aye my A12 is a total nutta! not much more to do though. Only real biggie is an auto switcher and some clean up tasks like spacing the USB ports out a bit and adding a few sound in/out ports for the Delfina... then its software (not my forté)


Insane piece of work my friend!!! Thumbs up.
I think that the weird Kick screen is not an issue. Don't worry about it :)

If you want you can have my test 3.9 Setup that has the 3.9+BB3+AfAOS+CGX blah blah just to test teh beast easily :)
Drop me your PM to send an invite to my Dropbox

Keep up the excellent work mate

I tell you what Marios, that would be most excellent! I was contemplating reloading AmigaSYS AGA over again with BVision includes but that will take some time. If you don't mind me using your install to check then thats awesome! Cheers bud! :thumbsup: Will send PM...

Phipscube
29th January 2011, 22:11
Well After a few weeks of seriously smashing my head and face against a wall trying to get Warp OS running, or ANYTHING software related , I finally gave in and tried to load Marios' awesome install (cheers Marios!). It didn't work on a HDD and was told to try it on a CF card, so I waited for a CF adapter I ordered. That came the other day, and with the help of Mr Fitz (who altered Marios' Install to default at 1024 x 768 ) I got this: -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHoR60lsI/AAAAAAAABAE/qJ9EjPvgvc0/s640/29012011886.JPG


HAHAHAHAHAAA!! I SCREAMED WAHAAAAY! and the image just suited perfectly :D (brilliant idea Steve!)

I couldn't seem to get the Quake install Steve had setup to work, but instead I installed the Wipeout 2097 Demo: -

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHpGmGb_I/AAAAAAAABAI/_mw2DSG6344/s640/29012011887.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHpq_dvbI/AAAAAAAABAM/y1Dxfju3C1o/s640/29012011888.JPG

FWOARSOME! :D It worked great, and it looked fab! Cheers muchly Marios and Steve for the ability to make sure the BV was indeed a goodie :)

So the BV is verifired finally, I decided to go back to my old crusty test install on HDD (with the above install I have no DVD, Delfina, Subway etc, and the CF readier is hanging out all over the place so the system gets pretty hot without them fans blowing!).

I've been doing lots of random hardware things which aren't quite finished yet so wont show too much on those things (the main one is my home made Auto video switcher). But i'll show you all my nice heatsinks form a company called Alpha in Japan: -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHXS9QV3I/AAAAAAAAA_s/lMS4y-z3_Lg/s640/16012011829.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHYPsF2GI/AAAAAAAAA_w/L7cCBKqVi70/s640/25012011857.JPG

The one on the 060 is infact 3mm high and is just there to help a little with dissipation. I've done some rough thermal tests and results show that the 060 is infact the hottest of the PPC, BV and itself with the case on, screwed down and the 3 fans blowing. Each chip is a good 9 to 10 deg C cooler with the case on. those fans ontop bring the BV down to 46 Deg C and the PPC to 55 Deg C whilst the 060 goes around 61 Deg C (mainly because it has no airflow over it). I'll be making more accurate measurements later and will post more detail here (I need a better Thermometer basically, as the one from work is cak)

Then today this appeared in my post box: -

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHYheJiPI/AAAAAAAAA_0/8epWgQRvXkc/s640/29012011881.JPG

The APOWER by Mech over on A.Org.... this little beaut powers my WHOLE machine with no sweat!

Look at the ratings: -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHbLcx54I/AAAAAAAAA_8/7b7Xz0R1q5U/s640/29012011883.JPG

Its just pure Awesomeness.... look at it next to my old PSU....

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHZMoDQRI/AAAAAAAAA_4/cC6r5qtBsrM/s640/29012011882.JPG


And finally here it is next to my A1200 and running it: -

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TUSHb5SKw0I/AAAAAAAABAA/LdGwvYytmDU/s640/29012011884.JPG

It doesn't seem right does it? that tiny PSU powers my whole A1200 in all its beastly form.

Big thanks to Mike (Mechy) over on A.Org for this, absolutely amazing work, cheers mate!

So coming soon will be a few more tweaks to the Delfina outputs, USB ports and the Auto Monitor Switcher! :)

johnim
29th January 2011, 22:18
looking great mate like the heatsyncs

fitzsteve
29th January 2011, 23:30
Awesome :thumbsup:

:bounceBoingBall::rainbow::Commodore::boing::beer::pint::drinkin::arms

mfilos
30th January 2011, 00:28
Awesome as always bro! /respect
Gotta love the pic. We can see that you're happy but El'Steavo is under Dracula imitation? ROFL!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AmiNeo
30th January 2011, 15:56
That PSU rules, where did you get it? May put a couple on my future 'to buy' list. :lol:

Phipscube
31st January 2011, 11:55
@johnim, cheers mate :)

@Steve and Marios, :yourock:

@Ami, Its from a guy called "Mechy" over on amiga.org. He is currently out of stock of the square 5 pin din plugs which he uses to customise these supplies but should have them in the next few weeks. I asked him if I could just buy the supply and D.I.Y. the cable, but then he said if i'm not bothered about a new plug and wire he had an old cable hanging around and offered to do that for me (Hence why the cable its white). Of course its old cable and plug but i'm not fussed about that. He is "M3ch" on Ebay also and will be selling some there at some point soon too. :)

fitzsteve
31st January 2011, 13:00
@johnim, cheers mate :)

@Steve and Marios, :yourock:

@Ami, Its from a guy called "Mechy" over on amiga.org. He is currently out of stock of the square 5 pin din plugs which he uses to customise these supplies but should have them in the next few weeks. I asked him if I could just buy the supply and D.I.Y. the cable, but then he said if i'm not bothered about a new plug and wire he had an old cable hanging around and offered to do that for me (Hence why the cable its white). Of course its old cable and plug but i'm not fussed about that. He is "M3ch" on Ebay also and will be selling some there at some point soon too. :)

Aw bless ya mate!

About those PSU's I almost bought one and regret missing out now.

I've actually got a 5pin adapter here, new in packet that I think Chairk gave me, I might PM him (Mechy) and see if I sent him the adapter he'd make me one of the PSU's, would be perfect for my A600 :D

Lookin' forward to the updates BTW :thumbsup:

Steve.

cosmicfrog
31st January 2011, 15:35
hahahah I remeber that pic :thumbsup:

looking good Phipscube

fitzsteve
31st January 2011, 15:35
hahahah I remeber that pic :thumbsup:

looking good Phipscube

What about me, I don't look good? :(

Justin
31st January 2011, 15:37
hahahah I remeber that pic :thumbsup:

looking good Phipscube

What about me, I don't look good? :(

ummmm well NO!

arch enemy!:p

fitzsteve
31st January 2011, 15:37
hahahah I remeber that pic :thumbsup:

looking good Phipscube

What about me, I don't look good? :(

ummmm well NO!

arch enemy!:p

I blame the Coat :thumbsdown:

Justin
31st January 2011, 15:41
What about me, I don't look good? :(

ummmm well NO!

arch enemy!:p

I blame the Coat :thumbsdown:


me too! which Oxfam did you find that white number in?:lol:

DonAmiga
31st January 2011, 21:19
Hi, this is an Amazing A1200 and great workmanship,:bowdown: Hopefully one day I can have one two :D Time to start saving those pennies :thumbsup:

rkauer
1st February 2011, 02:08
From what I saw on the Evilbay, all Mech PSU are gone.

Phipscube
1st February 2011, 08:00
Yes, they have (he had 5 on Ebay) but he will be making more when he gets the square din plugs. :)

rkauer
1st February 2011, 16:43
Oooooooooooh!

Then I think I'll ask him one without the plug & cable. I have an A600 black PSU here doing nothing...:woot:

Phipscube
5th February 2011, 18:06
Here's a few more bits and bobs i've been up to with this mad beast: -

I put some more space between the USB ports: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZE33L_5I/AAAAAAAABEQ/uP9I3LYC3C4/s640/03022011914.JPG

I made the Delfina output ports a little neater: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y7x5WyXI/AAAAAAAABDo/MAUVyZXmAso/s640/27012011878.JPG


Here it is in the system: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y89RaosI/AAAAAAAABDs/x8N8B-xh19w/s640/28012011880.JPG

It fits in quite nicely!

And now here is the startings of my home made Auto Video Switcher: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0YxD8kg0I/AAAAAAAABCo/8ROEcOBzPTw/s640/21012011839.JPG

Its an LT1675 specially made for such switching. It takes in the RGB signals from both sources (Indivision and BVision) and with either a logic 0 or 1 on pin 10 it switches the inputs. This ties in with a CD4053 controlling the H and V sync signals. this IC runs in +5V and -5V so the CD4053 has to be powered likewise to match.

I have to go under the scope to solder this little beaut: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0YxgDiejI/AAAAAAAABCs/QW-g9Wy3KwU/s640/21012011840.JPG


These are the wires I chose to solder to the Chip, some old 80 way IDE cable, i've stripped them carefully and tinned them: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0YyMskQ7I/AAAAAAAABCw/6QVY-gur1eY/s640/21012011841.JPG


They line up well: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0YygfveBI/AAAAAAAABC0/hvu9_Acj-gI/s640/21012011842.JPG


And now soldered on, this took some doing actually! Almost as hard as my BV repair! : -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0YzII8WVI/AAAAAAAABC4/5oqAimTPfqk/s640/21012011843.JPG


Now its ready to have the small wires soldered to the socket: -

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0YzuNFgOI/AAAAAAAABC8/Sh0kRli19Ik/s640/21012011844.JPG


Done! : -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y0tEDJjI/AAAAAAAABDA/OfsXx0kh8u8/s640/21012011845.JPG


Now I needed to weigh up where the Indi and BV plug in. Heres the Indi wire now cut from its VGA cable and I replaced it with a 10 pin IDC. I chose Grey: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y1RlrTLI/AAAAAAAABDE/UnXlxlUOfW4/s640/25012011858.JPG


To make sure I had a way to check the signals directly, I soldered the old VGA plug to a 10 pin socket: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y2OUpJ6I/AAAAAAAABDI/xMIpn3ZJZjE/s640/25012011859.JPG


This will be used for checking the signals many times whilst testing my CCT:-

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y27Bh5dI/AAAAAAAABDM/D_Ff_CQEw74/s640/25012011860.JPG


Here I have made a completely new cable for the BV, I chose black for its plug and also inverted the socket so that there is no way I can get the two mixed up. The pinouts for the BV and Indi ARE different. Same plug doesn't mean same pin layout.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y3cg5rnI/AAAAAAAABDQ/-7ZDe5i7oFI/s640/25012011861.JPG


If anyone is interested here are the pinouts for the Indivision to VGA: -

Ribbon - VGA Plug

1 - > 1 (Red)
2 - > 6 (Red GND)
3 - > 2 (Green)
4 - > 7 (Green GND)
5 - > 3 (Blue)
6 - > 8 (Blue GND)
7 - > 5 (GND)
8 - > 13 (H Sync)
9 - > 14 (V Sync)
10 - > 4 (Monitor ID)

And the pinout for BV : -

Ribbon - VGA Plug

1 - > 1 (Red)
2 - > 6,7,8 (all GND)
3 - > 2 (Green)
4 - > 6,7,8 (all GND)
5 - > 3 (Blue)
6 - > N/C (Don't connect this pin)
7 - > 13 (H Sync)
8 - > N/C (Don't connect this pin)
9 - > 14 (V Sync)
10 - > 5, 10 (GND, connected with 6,7,8 )

Ok, on with the show, here's what the floppy drive looks like over the cables, I made an intentional kink in the BV wire so its not resting on the Heatsink: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y4K7RHLI/AAAAAAAABDU/r4LZ91a7New/s640/25012011862.JPG

Angle shot: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y445HQDI/AAAAAAAABDY/DBJRT-bz_7E/s640/25012011863.JPG


And here is the AVS all wired up and finished!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZBtCtWeI/AAAAAAAABD8/_ZUlusGShOI/s640/03022011909.JPG

It takes +5V in and this is inverted with a DC converter, this is fed to the CD and the LT. The Transistor is used to switch the signal logic from pin 13 of the parallel port all the signals are tied to 75 ohm resistors, but the output from the LT has 33 ohm in series to bring the amplification down (otherwise the screen is too bright): -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZAOHp-lI/AAAAAAAABD0/d3koXzUgwAM/s640/03022011907.JPG


Side view to see the labelling on the ports.. just incase :)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZAx2ketI/AAAAAAAABD4/dIpf9Wd_03I/s640/03022011908.JPG

Here is the underneath, it turned out a little messy, but its ok, it all fits in nice. I soldered ground lines directly to the board, then wired everything else over these: -

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0Y_DLXdeI/AAAAAAAABDw/1wfRz5ju4U4/s640/03022011906.JPG


Sat in its new home: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZDZNw6xI/AAAAAAAABEI/-kyY_6kscv8/s640/03022011911.JPG


Closer look, can you see that grey wire trailing off the left?...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZEI-SKXI/AAAAAAAABEM/93rOn2RUPnA/s640/03022011912.JPG


It goes here (Pin 13 of the parallel port): -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZFnZQKLI/AAAAAAAABEU/ipgkfR3MRso/s640/04022011917.JPG


A wide shot just to see how mental this 1200 has become! :-


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZGjikp3I/AAAAAAAABEY/LGmZ1xB7t2g/s640/04022011918.JPG


And now some you tube vids to see it in action, does it work? Oh yes ;) : -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ruG4AFX-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m6BgJGv6Dc

Excuse the darkness, the light fitting over the table has gone duff (I have to fix it tomorrow along with the wifes bike, sunday jobs, boo hiss)

All the info I used to make this AVS is available here: -

http://mitglied.multimania.de/camiga/index_e.html

Here's a more detailed thread link on how to obtain the parts for this AVS as well as a zip of files to use in aid of making one of these. Included is a slightly modified schematic so this can be built with pin friendliness towards Indivision AGA and also is better for output to LCD monitors. (The original design by Christian is designed for CRT really)

http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=13932

I also want to thank Christian personally for his awesome help over email whilst making this, cheers! :)

so whats to come?

Well I got some of these :-

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TU0ZCbedQ6I/AAAAAAAABEE/RFubyqrEoO0/s640/03022011910.JPG

So will soon have my own 3.9 ROMs :D

And I also want to make an audio mixer, Get a decent monitor, and a few other last bits and bobs before I try and start from scratch with WB 3.1...

Thanks for looking! :thumbsup:

fitzsteve
5th February 2011, 18:14
Thats some stunning work there mate :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Great post and what an A1200 you have there now! :thumbsup:

Awesome, just awesome :bounceBoingBall:

mfilos
5th February 2011, 18:18
Les my friend...

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown: You are the ambassador of Kwan!!! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Truly awesome work and amazing photos! I'm speechless of the l33tness.
I so much feel sorry for my modest A1200D now lol :)

A big gratitude to your skills and enthusiasm my friend! Keep them coming :thumbsup:

fitzsteve
5th February 2011, 18:20
@marios, feel only sorry for my sad little A1200 which only has a BVision and PPC, no cool mods lol :thumbsdown:

You guys rule :thumbsup:

portarinos
5th February 2011, 18:28
@mfilos
Marios, you can feel sorry for my humble A1200D too :D:D

http://www.amigaplanet.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=1666

johnim
5th February 2011, 19:01
mate all i can say is BLOODY BRILLIANT

Phipscube
5th February 2011, 19:15
Cheers Guys! I've really worked hard to get the AVS working, and as usual I thought it would blow up in my face! HAHA!

Don't put your systems down guyzzz!

I don't mean to make my system out to be more super l33t than anyone elses you know guys? :oops: I love seeing everyone else's projects and see many better solutions than I have chosen. I do hope that I inspire someone new to come along and give an A1200 PPC project a try too just as Marios' and Phil inspired me. Are you reading this now fellow crazy person/s? if so... GO FOR IT! We wanna see what you got! :D

Marios, I first saw yours and Phil's PPC Desktops and I decided I wanted to try something like it, I never dreamed I'd get this far to be honest, Alot of the enthusiasm from you guys here has whats kept me going, so I thank you all :)

So now Marios, I'll use your l33t skillz to help me roll my own 3.9 roms by going through your amazing guide and your FWOARSOME CF install to keep me sane when i'm trying to get a clean WB going on my system. :D

Cheers for the big ups fellaz! :grouphug:

fitzsteve
5th February 2011, 19:19
Don't put your systems down guyzzz!

I don't mean to make my system out to be more super l33t than anyone elses you know guys? :oops:

Hey Les, I didn't mean it like that! Just astounded by the quality of you work, especially the repair on the BVision and the Video Switcher, seriously fella this has earned you a super l33t badge of honour :thumbsup:




Cheers for the big ups fellaz! :grouphug:

:grouphug:

Phipscube
5th February 2011, 19:30
Cheers Stevo mate! :thumbsup: I guess with all this I forget I may come across as a big head. Will you make me a REAL badge fella?! :p (G clamp anyone?)

fitzsteve
5th February 2011, 19:37
I'm pretty lame with DTP and Photoshop, but I can give you a Gold Star :thumbsup:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrfqAFmWuBHhUExWM6zMeLB_P-_z36STzh9nHafsAb163vq9tu2w

Phipscube
5th February 2011, 19:43
HAHAHAHA! Thats awesome mate! Cheers! :D

cosmicfrog
5th February 2011, 23:03
lovely bit of p0rn :)

Lojamiga
5th February 2011, 23:44
well done man. I already been closed of that!! But never with all that quality and ditails. One day i will do exacly the same for sure. Many thanks for do that. Congratullations....

Kind regards.

Phipscube
7th February 2011, 07:43
Glad you liked the Pr0n Cosmic mate :)

Loj, have you still got the machine? if so get snapping some photos! Be nice to see what you done :)

Phipscube
10th February 2011, 19:47
Here's a few more little things i've been hacking away at: -

My clock port expander had been bugging me a little, I don't like the way it sits so rigidly, the slightest movement and it causes issues with the Subway and Delfina (probably more to do with the riser). I also wanted to try and figure a way to get some heatsinks on my BV RAM so....

I took off the connector: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1Ax7os5I/AAAAAAAABHo/lpy9JvoTQGk/s640/08022011926.JPG

And replaced it with some old clock port cable (its short on purpose as the expander has to be as close as possible to the clock port): -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1BgVch_I/AAAAAAAABHs/ykAs5JxPTpI/s640/08022011927.JPG

Thats the old connector with the riser needed to run it with a BV installed sat next to it.

So now I can plug the Expander in like this: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1CRWUqoI/AAAAAAAABHw/qIwltIQgCdY/s640/08022011928.JPG

I'll find some nice 5mm Heatsinks for themz RAM chips now :)

I've also added a +5V lead onto my Delfina, Since putting the BV in its been a bit touchy now and then on a cold boot (it doesn't initialise) Also sometimes on a soft reset: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1Joa8DZI/AAAAAAAABIQ/d0vSq9rY69E/s640/09022011941.JPG

Here's the Fly lead connected: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1Krmxg3I/AAAAAAAABIU/2BER5RyJqow/s640/09022011942.JPG

The pin needs to connect to the "top right" pin, or as I have done, soldered to the right side of the capacitor.

This little lead has made my Delfina work perfect now! I think it just couldn't get enough juice through that CP expander sometimes.

Here's my mixer solution: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1DXv5vKI/AAAAAAAABH0/ZQApmFRSKgA/s640/09022011930.JPG

Quite a simple affair really. Just has 10K ohm resistance on each of the left and right from native and delfina outputs, then both channels are connected together after the Pots. All grounds are linked together and run along the back ready to mount to the internal sheilding of the A1200 (I used pots so I can change the volume levels and balance them off so both outputs are at similar levels if not the same, the native amiga is a little higher than Delfina you see).

Underneath: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1F5YEMcI/AAAAAAAABIA/tmmexty8qTg/s640/09022011933.JPG

Going into the A1200 now, i've added some wire loops that I will solder to the chassis :-

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1G9e71aI/AAAAAAAABIE/zowz7Tg69vw/s640/09022011936.JPG

Resting loosely in place so I can test all is ok. It sits nicely :)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1H4im_lI/AAAAAAAABII/igQ-9L3hpdo/s640/09022011937.JPG

And if you look closely you can see its soldered to the metal sheilding now: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1Iuav6TI/AAAAAAAABIM/qHnuQClpHYI/s640/09022011940.JPG

It super solid, much better than my earlier hot glued cludge :)

From the outside you'd never know any difference ;) (well apart from that they are actually straighter than original, what is it with Commodore and its wonky phono plug placement!?)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TVQ1LALJjoI/AAAAAAAABIY/NvumtJ5z0Go/s640/10022011943.JPG

That's it for this session, I hope you like these rather small mods :) All the exciting stuff is done now so it will be "finishing off" from now as she is just about done.

I'm going to add some 3.5 mm jacks to the sides near the USB ports (If I can squeeze them in) for mic and line input to delfina, I may add a +5V line to Subway also just incase. I'll also add heatsinks to all 8 RAM chips on the BV and two on certain hotties on the BPPC. I'm also strongly considering dropping the 060 to 50MHz. I've got a decent Laser thermometer now that "Scans" and its just getting too hot for my liking. Otherwise i'll have to give in and add 4 big fat stupid rubber bungs underneath the old girl (I really don't want to though). Another option is 2x 6mm fans directly on the PPC and 060 but thats just more juice. We'll see, i'm pondering all that right now.

The last thing i'll do is the 3.9 ROMS (Once I know everything else is working fine)

Cheers! :thumbsup:

fitzsteve
10th February 2011, 19:55
Really impressed with those modding skillz mate, keep it up :thumbsup:

All it needs now is the lauch codes and it'll take over the world Terminator 3 style :D

johnim
10th February 2011, 20:00
mate this gets better and better, whats next?

Phipscube
10th February 2011, 21:00
Really impressed with those modding skillz mate, keep it up :thumbsup:

All it needs now is the lauch codes and it'll take over the world Terminator 3 style :D

HAHA! yeah too right! Although i'm thinking more Weird Science "She's alive... SHE'S ALIVE!" ..... if she turned into Kelly LeBrock ....fwoooof! Ok, going toooooo far now! :D


mate this gets better and better, whats next?

Yo John mate! If you check out the last part of the post I mention one or two things, I forgot to mention I want to put in a small PWM fan controller for the case fans, this might help with the noise. More to come fella! :)

mfilos
11th February 2011, 00:05
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MvrxhPSMnQg/SwoDhLcJb-I/AAAAAAAAAZ8/jU2EUXnGBU4/s1600/Awesome.jpg

Pure EPICness beyond words!
Thanks for sharing such lovely pr0n my friend.

http://awesomesquad.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/chuck_norris_approved.jpg

Phipscube
11th February 2011, 07:44
WAW! I HAVE CHUCK NORRIS APPROVAL! :bowdown: *running around in crazy circles smacking my head and whooping loudly*

Cheers Marios mate :thumbsup:

Phipscube
1st March 2011, 09:03
Here's an update on what i've been doing here :)

I added a +5V wire to the Subway, this has helped with randomness at boot up (its soldered to "Pin 2") : -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TV2Faro8XPI/AAAAAAAABKM/--C-OlIwjoE/s1152/16022011976.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TV2FbL-whuI/AAAAAAAABKU/f38x5XKTHJg/s1152/16022011977.JPG


I've made a little circuit that controls my top case fans. They aren't overly loud, but I thought it was unecessary for them to be running full pelt. This little board uses Pulse width modulation to keep the voltage level at 12V, but pulses slower of faster (adjustable with a pot), the effect of this is a quieter fan that moves more efficiently than simply dropping off the voltage. I made it based on this information: -

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4253267&postcount=2

Here's a pic!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuvls5F3I/AAAAAAAABLk/8K1efKO4nXs/s1152/21022011997.JPG


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuwOcDirI/AAAAAAAABLo/Uv0-Txqj1O4/s1152/21022011998.JPG


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuwe_dK5I/AAAAAAAABLs/40dLjbfOxrk/s1152/21022011001.JPG

I replaced the pot with a Thermistor, and put the thermistor on the BV heatsink.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuwt5WY6I/AAAAAAAABLw/PpixIdWKgLU/s1152/21022011002.JPG

Now the fans start up very quiet, once the BV heats up it drops the resistance on the thermistor hence the fans have quicker pulses sent to them to increase airflow. It still stays very quiet as this is the effect of PWM. The only downside of it is that when the room is very quiet you will notice a feint "ticking" noise.


I'm currently planning to make a 5V version for the BPPC fan (I've also got a less noisy replacement fan on its way).


I've added some jacks for Mic and Aux input to Delfina! :-

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuxDp0YzI/AAAAAAAABL0/ReC0fdB3opY/s1152/24022011015.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuxZF41sI/AAAAAAAABL4/IWv2UR-0qSc/s1152/24022011016.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuxiq3MZI/AAAAAAAABL8/mKQ1k5afZKE/s1152/24022011017.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyux_prTpI/AAAAAAAABMA/Mg9J1VEgqfw/s1152/24022011018.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuyLKRjTI/AAAAAAAABME/VSQA_2dc5nw/s1152/24022011019.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TWyuytIJBiI/AAAAAAAABMI/EItL7VZrzLg/s1152/24022011020.JPG


Thats it for now folks! :)

fitzsteve
1st March 2011, 09:19
Great update mate :thumbsup:

Looking forward to the PSU hacking thread which by the way I posted this morning :cool:

Steve.

Phipscube
1st March 2011, 09:45
Cheers Steve! I will of course :)

mfilos
1st March 2011, 10:46
Damn you Les. The epicness of your mods can make an old man burst into tears! (ROFL)
Thanks for sharing the pr0n that always seem to amaze me.
Sorry bro, but I'm out of badges. You got them all already!

/respect

Phipscube
1st March 2011, 11:38
HAHA! Cheers Marios mate! :) I'm walking around bent over at 90 degrees because of the weight of all those badges dangling off my chest! :lol:

I started to look at making a custom Rom set based on your most excellent guide lastnight, its very easy to follow mate, just a little off topic kudos to you there again. I should have a custom rolled set of Roms finished up in the next few days (Family duties and work dodges to steal time on the EPROM programmer permitting).

ad-rs1600i
5th March 2011, 18:55
Absolutely brilliant, very well done indeed! :thumbsup:

Stunning :bowdown::bowdown:

I'd be tempting to reduce the clock speed of the 060 if the only other option is to jack the A1200 up...

Make sure you post plenty of pictures of the finished Amiga with and without the cover when your have finished it:bowdown:

Well done:wooha::)

Phipscube
6th March 2011, 23:33
Cheers mate! :)

Once i'm happy with it all I will make plenty of photos, and also some long videos too :)

I've tried reducing the clock on 060 to 50MHz but it only helps reduce the heat buildup by 2 degrees or so, not worth it. I really think I have to put a fan on the 060, I have one on its way (a 5mm one with built in heatsink) but it may be a loud sucker..... I have some rubber feet ready too (only 8mm so not too bad) this combination should help. If not my next option is a slow moving but very large fan (8mm thick) that can devour the trapdoor, then i'll put some mesh over the protruding fan.

I've just tonight managed to compile my custom 3.9 Roms and they work in WinUAE, so will try burning them tomorrow at work :)


Absolutely brilliant, very well done indeed! :thumbsup:

Stunning :bowdown::bowdown:

I'd be tempting to reduce the clock speed of the 060 if the only other option is to jack the A1200 up...

Make sure you post plenty of pictures of the finished Amiga with and without the cover when your have finished it:bowdown:

Well done:wooha::)

kaos
7th March 2011, 10:16
This thread is awesome! O_O
Congrats, you rule.

ndial
23rd March 2011, 08:00
Awesome work mate!
This is an "A1200 masterpiece" here!
I wish I had the guts (and knowledge) to do at least the 10% of your great work to my Miggy! :D

THoR
24th March 2011, 12:25
i want your address i`m posting mine to you :bowdown:

project X with playstaion pads :lol:

do they pads vibrate :run:..... to the post office quick

DDK
27th March 2011, 14:44
Perfect project so cleannnn :) Ride on :thumbsup:

---------- Post added at 13:44 ---------- Previous post was at 13:40 ----------

ride on :)

netagra
27th March 2011, 16:36
Awesome!!!

Phipscube
31st March 2011, 00:23
Thanks for the comments guys :)

The PSX pads don't rumble, but are still awesome to use :)

Well, here's some more bits and bobs i've been doing...

I ROLLED MY OWN 3.9 ROMS! YES!!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOojAl0inI/AAAAAAAABPU/xkQq5Sa-FNc/s640/24032011205.JPG


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOotz5OldI/AAAAAAAABPs/oqy3nJQ1RQY/s640/30032011231.JPG


I had all sorts of issues getting it there, but with the help of Marios and buying an el-cheapo Willem programmer off fleabay, I got there! (cheers Marios mate!) I am going to experiment a little more as for some reason the SCSI.Device I put on (Cosmos beta4) sometimes doesn't see my PROGRAMS and OS 4.0 Partitions, simply showing up as Uninitialised. But for now, it boots (after I altered my startup sequence to setpatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET, and commented out Blizkick). I basically used the same modules as in Marios' fabtastic guide, but added my own regged HSMathlibs and Cosmos' SCSI.Device.


I decided to add a small discreet switch to manually override my Video Switcher: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOonYg310I/AAAAAAAABPc/3OsQnJkxY_Y/s640/28032011226.JPG

This is good for when I need to install a fresh OS or do things that would otherwise not involve having the switching software load up. I can then manually switch to RTG. The positions are AGA (and Auto RTG with software) as you see the switch now, then flicked over to the left (when looking from the front of machine) it manually sets BVision.


I've now finally solved my BPPC cooling solution! :)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoRyPYzEI/AAAAAAAABOA/XwrWXae709k/s640/09032011073.JPG

A 5mm laptop fan/heatsink combo! its just resting on the naked PPC there to show how it will fit.

So how did I do this? here we go...

I drilled two holes in the side to allow a small amount of air to pass over the regulators that sit nearby.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoUAVkyaI/AAAAAAAABOM/pmLsV9mxrW8/s640/10032011079.JPG


Here i'm making new holes and threadding them with a thread tool ready for some standoffs. I've already mounted two small nylon screws and nuts to the original mount holes. The nuts will be super glued down to the BPPC board to allow the screws to hold the whole unit onto the PPC chip.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoV5_OOfI/AAAAAAAABOU/mrgvF3nhKSM/s640/22032011183.JPG

The standoffs go in, they need to be cut down a bit..

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoWv8xtXI/AAAAAAAABOY/WGMh4wOK_CE/s640/22032011184.JPG


Cut and filed down to be level with the nuts + 0.5mm for leeway


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoXRJqwGI/AAAAAAAABOc/wEMLciMK_1A/s640/22032011185.JPG


I rested the heatsink onto the board with the screws and nuts in place, then carefully put super glue on the nuts, then unscrewed the screws to leave the nuts in place. I added more glue around the edge, then put a hair dryer over the glue gently, this makes it dry alot harder.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoZbutAUI/AAAAAAAABOk/Vo5wsSXz7lA/s640/22032011187.JPG


Arctic Silver 5 added to the PPC

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOobNPGiKI/AAAAAAAABOs/OK2V9ykAGKU/s640/22032011190.JPG


Then a small 1mm thick copper plate placed over the top. this will help with dissipating the heat greatly.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOocLqeVQI/AAAAAAAABOw/cmGs_d3GGX8/s640/22032011191.JPG


More Arctic Silver on the copper plate

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOodPsUQQI/AAAAAAAABO0/gCYg8fC6uI0/s640/22032011192.JPG


And the fan and heatsink combo put over that, then lightly screwed down with the nylon screws. I've added some small pieces of felt to avoid any vibrations on the trapdoor mesh.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOodycWYyI/AAAAAAAABO4/WT7WdjBEBxg/s640/22032011193.JPG


It fits great. I had to fine tune the standoffs until they held the heatsink around 0.5mm above the nuts. If you look carefully you can see a small gap between nut and heatsink. This allows for a small amount of tightening.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoeqXt_EI/AAAAAAAABO8/9y2jcfQtwWQ/s640/22032011194.JPG


I added some heat shrink to the Custom made Oscillator, just to make it look nice and its more insulated than with the scrappy tape I put on it before this


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoVDyDT1I/AAAAAAAABOQ/mD_e-O__0fA/s640/10032011080.JPG


You can see the Oscillator in place and also the fan heatsink combo.... but can you notice the side vent? yes, thats going to pour airflow over the oscillators and the 060 :)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOofvsMbiI/AAAAAAAABPE/u6kBhe6k0VU/s640/22032011195.JPG


But I need to put heatsinks on this controller.... (I also drilled two more air holes in the heatsink)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoggyv_aI/AAAAAAAABPI/cFQv2rMaoRk/s640/22032011196.JPG


And these two ICs. They both originally sat under the PPC heatsink and enjoyed a dash of air from the old fan. now they get nothing and hit around 66 Deg C!


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOohTSztbI/AAAAAAAABPM/NvqiByQ9AG4/s640/22032011197.JPG


So I used some of these copper VGA heat sinks with sticky thermal pads attached (pack of 8 off ebay):-

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOorjK0jKI/AAAAAAAABPg/UJHAHaB08Lw/s640/29032011228.JPG


There we go :) (I took off the black felt pads, they did nothing but bulge the trapdoor unecessarily)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOoskZpPzI/AAAAAAAABPk/9pG_hG0AEmM/s640/29032011229.JPG


With the trapdoor cover on. I am happy I managed to make a solution that kept within the trapdoor. Now after 1 Hour on, The temps are, 52 Deg C on PPC (was 55), 50 Deg C on 060 (was 62) the controller hits 54 Deg C and the Regulator IC's hit 58 Deg C. Overall alot more evened out. I'm most happy that now my 060 is running MUCH cooler :) The fan is a bit quieter than the old one too so that's a bonus!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TZOotOHSulI/AAAAAAAABPo/kUtQIAmKqmw/s640/29032011230.JPG

It only JUST fits!!!! (I added some 8mm feet too, you can see one in the corner there)

So thats that :)

I did buy an mATX supply and partly perform a retrofit to my Original PSU casing given to me by Mr Fitz (cheers steve) but the thing didn't work! I'm now looking into buying a VERY GOOD psu to be sure it will work and work well. Once I have it, i'll post what I do with photos of course :)

I'm also mulling over the idea of cramming a Lyra 2 PS2 keyboard interface in the old girl, just like how Marios did on his lovely A1200D PPC, but not sure it will fit yet. Its such a good Idea I really would like to have this feature too. Its such a pain with the original keyboard hanging about when modding. Lets see what happens, maybe I can't do this.

Anyway, hope you have all enjoyed my latest madness! :D

Cheers!

mfilos
31st March 2011, 06:20
Damn Les! These mods are for once more... detailed and fantastic!
I really loved the work on the PPC fan.

Kickstart 3.9 really is a cherry on the top since it gives a nice boot without the reboots as well! \o/
Keep up the awesome hack my friend! Glad I helped ya out even for a bit :)

/respect

Phipscube
31st March 2011, 08:31
Thanks Marios mate :) The 3.9 ROMS are awesome, It was great seeing the old girl just boot up without me having to salute on reboot to catch my DVD drive. It also boots up alot faster generally. Not sure if thats Cosmos' awesome SCSI.device or other bits in there that refine things (maybe the HSmathlibs?) but its great. I just wish my HDD's appeared ok. I'm wondering if I reformat them the problem will go away? there is nothing much on them anyway. I'll experiment I think :)

fitzsteve
31st March 2011, 09:13
Whose the Daddy?

Phipscube :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown: :thumbsup:

UberFreak
31st March 2011, 14:58
Very nice & elegant solution there :)

I did it differently on mine since I opted against removing the original heatsink.
I ended up drilling holes in the trapdoor & then hot-gluing a fan on it, just below the 060.
The fan is taking out air, which goes great with the BPPC's own fan, which pushes air down.
After this, the trapdoor now only gets warm & not scorching hot like before :)

Together with the fan above the BVision, my A1200 now sounds like a big server :lol:
Someday I might give up & move everything to a tower case, but for now I'm happy I can finally use the system!

PhilipMcD
31st March 2011, 17:30
Really like your PPC heatsink solution, and along with the trapdoor grill you did earlier - superb!

This has to be a textbook case for anyone modding the A1200 original case to the extreme.

Kin Hell
1st April 2011, 03:53
Bloody Hell Les. - Is there no let up on your skills here?

Your pictorial display really does do your work credit & I tip my hat to you.

Just sheer and utter Brilliance at it's best. ;)

Charlie

Phipscube
1st April 2011, 09:01
@ Stevo, HAHA! :D

@Uberfreak, I was going to do something like that next if this solution hadn't worked, but with the fan the other way, and extend the mesh. This works for Steve and his PPC/060 are ultra cool. Drawing air out is a good idea too as thats the natural flow, nice to know both ways work effectively. My method isn't cooling down the PPC and 060 as much as yours and Steves I would imagine, but thats the price I pay for wanting to be an anal freak and insist on all my chit being behind my mesh :D No, I wont go beyond the mesh! I spent a long time with that mesh... so no, it says damnit! :D

@PhilipMcD, cheers mate, I hope all my mad hacks help other folks give it a crack, its really fun, and rewarding :)

@Charlie, ta fella! :) Its nice to get such praise, it spurrs me on to do more! Well, not much left now on this one, but i'm sure another project will pop up in the future, and I will document it here of course :)

fitzsteve
1st April 2011, 09:20
Yep, mines ice cold - you could quite happily lick it on a Summers day :)

But it sounds like a Jet Fighter and its on Stilts :Doh:

paalrosen
1st April 2011, 10:00
This is lovely:)

fantastic 1200 you have there

Phipscube
1st April 2011, 10:36
@Steve, your on a roll today aren't you mate HAHA! Go on, admit it, you've been licking it haven't you? :D

@paalrosen, thanks mate :)

fitzsteve
1st April 2011, 10:40
@Steve, your on a roll today aren't you mate HAHA! Go on, admit it, you've been licking it haven't you? :D

Jokes aside, this XC 060 is stone cold to touch, even under full load - never gets warm. But I'm not sure I can live with the noise! I did put a manual speed control on it.

I didn't reaise though how loud the BPPC Fan and Fan I fitted to the BVision are so its almost not worth turning that one down!

I think I'd take your solution over mine if I had the guts to do it, I made sure all my mods are reversable - I always follow that rule.

I admire your Kahuna's my friend :thumbsup:

Phipscube
1st April 2011, 10:57
Yep, when I glued those nuts to the board I felt my a***h*** tighten up at the thought of whether I was about to flush 600 Euros of PPC goodness down the drain! Really big risk, but great fun! :D

Flowman
8th April 2011, 19:56
Super nice project your working on. :)

Just a question. Are you willing to make a batch of your custom 3.9 rom and put it up for sale? Or just the info how you made them. I have a similar setup like yours.

fitzsteve
8th April 2011, 20:01
Super nice project your working on. :)

Just a question. Are you willing to make a batch of your custom 3.9 rom and put it up for sale? Or just the info how you made them. I have a similar setup like yours.

Hi!

Its not allowed to sell the burned Roms on Amibay (well maybe if you sold them with an OS3.9CD and genuine 3.1 Roms) however there is a guide that mfilos done:

http://amibay.com/showthread.php?t=11935

All the best,

Steve.

Phipscube
8th April 2011, 21:51
Hi Flowman, Its like Steve says mate, this stuff be da chitz and its still very much copyrighted materials. As long as you have a genuine set of OS3.1 roms in your Amiga, and you bought yourself OS3.9 original, then you are good to go on mfilos' awesome guide :) The programmer he uses is dirt cheap on ebay and so are the EPROMS, give it a shot, its great fun :)

Cheers! And welcome to Amibay :thumbsup:

Phipscube
10th May 2011, 15:56
Here's some more stuff!

PSU.... what a PITA! I've bought 2 mATX units, one cheapo, one expensive (was a seasonic 350W) none of these worked. I ended up pulling 3 full atx PSUs from old work pcs to do some tests and all but 1 failed on +5V. The one that passed and booted my machine reset when ever I put a CD in the drive! so the only PSU's that work are my old trusty ATX and the APOWER. Well I decided to stick with my old trusty ATX and give Ziggy my APOWER (as it was getting very hot).

I also decided to put the A1200 aside for a bit and get Ziggy's A600 up and running properly with VGA out and fully loaded HDD with WHDLoad and games.

I was sat happily loading up Zig's A600 and after about an hour I noticed something....... The APOWER was getting hot!!? almost as hot as with my A1200, "this isn't right" I thought. So I took it out of the plastic casing, and it was then running ALOT cooler. I did the same with my A1200 and again it ran alot cooler than before (a bit hotter than with Zigs A600, but not stupid hot) I don't know why I didn't think of that before! So I decided to give something a try, put the APOWER in the original PSU I got off Steve a bit ago instead of an mATX PSU. So here is how I did it: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7AzDvh9I/AAAAAAAABWo/s0vnlaqxuU4/s640/07032011062.JPG

Here's The PSU in all its original glory.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7Bn8TxjI/AAAAAAAABWs/gxqxDJlkaxw/s640/07032011063.JPG

Inside the original supply.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7CahsjVI/AAAAAAAABWw/3AWiBEb2VkU/s640/07032011064.JPG

I need to cut these wires out.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7C2dJF_I/AAAAAAAABW0/KfvDSs99_Zw/s640/07032011065.JPG


The supply sans board, I took a quick note of the voltages for each coloured wire. bear in mind that the colours can be different so if you plan to do this, double check the levels with a meter before you start wiring up.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7Ez4jCzI/AAAAAAAABXA/T3ZUbjUo8aE/s640/21032011173.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7FJBuPaI/AAAAAAAABXE/5uiJZ4AQAt8/s640/21032011174.JPG

I had to do some trimming :)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7F1aH-dI/AAAAAAAABXI/pfQ9Ze2LGgQ/s640/21032011178.JPG


I hot glued a 12V Fan in the top.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7HPzIakI/AAAAAAAABXQ/DlpNfuflzGA/s640/15042011278.JPG


Here's the APOWER out of its case.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7JAJhSNI/AAAAAAAABXc/7kNlvuvtXv8/s640/15042011280.JPG


Wiring up to the Power lead and switch.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7KuQuL3I/AAAAAAAABXk/2GgYcXqal50/s640/15042011282.JPG


Quick check it all fits ok.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7LLEDiLI/AAAAAAAABXo/JHHvbWzbPy8/s640/15042011283.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7LrhEdNI/AAAAAAAABXs/vBywRaVlMxg/s640/15042011284.JPG


The APOWER fits onto 2 of the original mounts with a small amount of grinding on the board.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7MGPXvSI/AAAAAAAABXw/v0wXr6E889s/s640/15042011285.JPG


Mounted a block terminal for attaching the DC lines.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7M5UPI5I/AAAAAAAABX0/DVZnuz6y_aI/s640/15042011286.JPG


With all the lines connected.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7OySpLKI/AAAAAAAABX8/r46H2IuLln4/s640/15042011288.JPG

Full view of the supply all in with the fan over the top.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7QJxWXiI/AAAAAAAABYE/r-hTHbB9iHU/s640/19042011299.JPG


I made a small PWM fan controller to bring the fan noise down to whisper quiet.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ7PfQzJTI/AAAAAAAABYA/fUQlz3dSk_k/s640/15042011289.JPG


And there she is with all assembled.... who could guess it has a small beast in there?!

I actually did this mod about 3 weeks ago, and since then its been running both my A1200 and Ziggys A600 when i've been working on it. And its not getting hot at all, its ultra cool and ultra quiet now, even in these hot days we are having at the moment in Denmark!

On a note of heat, my A1200 seems to be handling the high early summer temps at the moment. Its getting generally 2 degrees or so hotter than before on the CPU's and BV but i'm still not running it any more than 2 hours at a time.

Ok, I bought some more things too: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ6GH-b72I/AAAAAAAABWc/-E5TPSshwZY/s640/04052011352.JPG

A Lyra II 1200, I'm gonna try and force this into the old girl to allow external keyboard connection. So i'll be totally ripping off Marios' awesome mod, I hope you don't mind mate :)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ6G7QwIDI/AAAAAAAABWg/1WY0F9gf-s0/s640/04052011353.JPG


A close up of the beaut, the jumper at the top there allows PC or real Amiga keyboard connection, i'll put a switch under the back lip a bit like the manual video swich to choose between these and plonk some wires on that jumper header.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcQ6HUZFrWI/AAAAAAAABWk/xxxUcHYgT48/s640/04052011354.JPG


And finally for now, I bought a 320GB PATA drive, yes its a bit OTT, but i'm a bit of a to the maxx kinda guy so figured why not!

I see that OS 4.1 Classic is finally imminent so will plump for that when its out and see how it runs clean on this drive and keep the 80Gig one loaded as it is for now as a backup.

Oh! I also redid my custom 3.9 roms and simply put the old SCSI device from the original OS 3.1 roms for now until Cosmos' betas are sorted. I didn't try PFS3 yet, but want to get started on the 320GB drive now on the 3.9 Partition. the 80GB drive will be my fallback (as its set up to easily change my ROMS should I need to) and build the 320GB up with all the cool chit.

What else? Oh yeah, I want to put my DVD drive through a regulator connected to the +12V line to try and take a small bit of fluctuation off the +5V rail.

Anyway, thanks for looking! :thumbsup:

fitzsteve
10th May 2011, 16:02
Nice updates as always mate, glad the PSU is serving you well :thumbsup:

Phipscube
13th May 2011, 08:56
Cheers Steve! :) Yeah the PSU is awesome!

Well here's my latest stuff: -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKvNMdUbI/AAAAAAAABeY/FQeT65N1qZM/s1152/11052011388.JPG

So there is the keyboard controller the Lyra II has to sit on.



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKv5fngNI/AAAAAAAABec/QdyC5mWFKLY/s1152/11052011389.JPG

And i'm gonna take out the Video phono plug and place the PS2 plug there instead.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKwrIhgfI/AAAAAAAABeg/-nzInV2XvQU/s1152/11052011390.JPG

Hmmm... this needs modding!


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKxSFUVXI/AAAAAAAABek/y96sgqb69F0/s1152/11052011391.JPG

EEK! Best not remove the connector then :D


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKyeqnAmI/AAAAAAAABeo/cnEZwTC9gb8/s1152/11052011392.JPG

Didn't say anything about soldering wires underneath voiding warranties did it? ;)



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKy_6XlMI/AAAAAAAABes/avi1mpt_LG8/s1152/11052011393.JPG

The level of destruction needed to take one Video phono connector off.



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxKzh82RmI/AAAAAAAABew/ayUY0EqKmcs/s1152/11052011394.JPG

There it is!


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK0Wx3jDI/AAAAAAAABe0/Z4jVw9nYwn0/s1152/11052011395.JPG

Out you pop me lad!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK2hZgj_I/AAAAAAAABe4/Azyh8sucAwM/s1152/11052011396.JPG

This is just an experimental 12V to 5V mod I made for the DVD drive. It didn't work so well, the drive wouldn't spin up a disk on a warm reset properly so I eneded up taking it out after the Lyra II mod.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK3eHQv5I/AAAAAAAABe8/P94VNaQSkQo/s1152/11052011397.JPG

There is the Lyra II in place.



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK4Azt9pI/AAAAAAAABfA/w2BeWng5Y50/s1152/11052011398.JPG

But I realised I have to move the wires as they get in the way of the IDE Fix Express.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK5MTOUiI/AAAAAAAABfE/SRq4jFlJZXA/s1152/11052011399.JPG

bit of tape to insulate.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK6qWIhEI/AAAAAAAABfM/rwrLYM7RjQI/s1152/11052011401.JPG

On goes the Indi and IDE Fix.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK7JMiQXI/AAAAAAAABfQ/iWsKWqGmdnY/s1152/11052011402.JPG

I Took the board out again to solder on the PS2 connector. same methods I used to hold on the Audio mixer, basically soldered the body of the connector to the metal sheilding.







https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK76im6KI/AAAAAAAABfU/IRZyzOpw438/s1152/11052011403.JPG

There we go, nice and flush. I had to heat and move the connector a few times to get it in the right place.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK8p9oehI/AAAAAAAABfY/IYOXo_GQgnw/s1152/11052011404.JPG

Testing the fitting with an Amiga keyboard (well a CDTV keyboard with a CD32 Adapter).


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK9Va3NGI/AAAAAAAABfg/TZ_i7DiWIxE/s1152/11052011405.JPG

And with a PS2 PC keyboard, both plug in snugly.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK-BNOYhI/AAAAAAAABfk/mtgrwCUaQMw/s1152/11052011406.JPG

Sliding the board back in... ooo, it JUST fits!


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK-oBXTEI/AAAAAAAABfo/mMbXajye984/s1152/11052011407.JPG

1 mm to spare underneath.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK_P-WyKI/AAAAAAAABfs/2p0ZCEJrPQk/s1152/11052011408.JPG

Roughly drawing where the wires go on the PS2 connector.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxK_98J7SI/AAAAAAAABfw/PL0M1Z1QfMs/s1152/11052011409.JPG

And soldered on.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxLAjuoHrI/AAAAAAAABf0/0tYinS9rlMw/s1152/11052011410.JPG

Here's the switch I have connected to the keyboard selector jumper. Shorted = PC keyboard, open = Amiga Keyboard.







https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxLBIOWb2I/AAAAAAAABf4/i5wqJmNTjow/s1152/11052011411.JPG

From underneath the lip.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxLB2w9IHI/AAAAAAAABf8/pPzFs6sU4tM/s1152/11052011412.JPG

Another one of those wide shots of all the sh*t in my A1200, how it still works baffles me!


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxLCqIhwyI/AAAAAAAABgA/0Eg_znzL4uw/s1152/11052011413.JPG

The Lyra II just nesting quite tightly in there!


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxLDuNqv2I/AAAAAAAABgI/qHTnOy1uYNA/s1152/12052011415.JPG

Added some stickers to be sure, don't want to forget and plug the wrong type of KB in!


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TcxLEPe7vTI/AAAAAAAABgM/3_xctj0By4o/s1152/12052011416.JPG

Did the same for my manual override switch on my Auto Video Switcher. Not as dangerous, but still good to have :)


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TczRD0HyOwI/AAAAAAAABis/IUs487dlGis/s1152/13052011418.JPG

The keyboard works! :)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TczREMqqmUI/AAAAAAAABiw/-l8F-5jbM_Q/s1152/13052011417.JPG

CDTV Keyboard with a CD32 (A4000) adapter :)

So thats the Lyra II in! And it helped very much already not having to keep the original keyboard in when needing to do tests (I was doing some tests with the clock port adapter lastnight, swapping ports)

I'm gonna plug in the 320GB HDD next, load up a vanilla OS, and get some partitions going on it :)

Thanks for looking!

mfilos
13th May 2011, 09:22
I knew that you'd find handy the PS2 connector on the miggy my friend!!!
I for sure never regretted putting it :)
Awesome work as always and a definite fine documentation as well.

/salute with respect

fitzsteve
13th May 2011, 09:48
Les for President :thumbsup:

You da man, awesome, awesome work as always :bowdown:

salaxi54
13th May 2011, 10:11
A job well done, and great pics along the way! Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:

AG_DK
13th May 2011, 11:16
I'm speechless! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

AndyLandy
13th May 2011, 11:33
OK, so forgive me for asking, but what's the point in having a Lyra installed in a wedge Amiga?

fitzsteve
13th May 2011, 11:41
OK, so forgive me for asking, but what's the point in having a Lyra installed in a wedge Amiga?

As you can see the lid spends most of its time off the Amiga lol so he needs some kind of Keyboard attached for testing! :ninja:

Phipscube
13th May 2011, 12:57
OK, so forgive me for asking, but what's the point in having a Lyra installed in a wedge Amiga?

Well for example, lastnight I did a tedious Clock port expander test for someone over on EAB. I had to plug the subway from one port to the next 12 times with multiple reboots between and checking software, then swap a wire and do it all again to get some results.

If I had to do all that with the original keyboard installed it would be annoying (And my older keyboards ribbon cable broke through lots of bending back and forth). I can now have the system running completely open without having the internal keyboard in the way. Even just for simple things like soft reset salute. Its now also going to make displaying the system running with the cover off alot easier for show purposes (I'm thinking of R3play, i'm quite sure most of you will want me to rip the lid off instantly).

Now I just need to figure out how to make a beer spill protector :D

fitzsteve
13th May 2011, 13:02
Now I just need to figure out how to make a beer spill protector :D

And how to get it to the UK in one piece!

Phipscube
13th May 2011, 13:40
Aye Steve, It will deffo go in hand luggage no doubt about it, the most scary thing for me is getting it through security without them thinking it has a bomb wired in there! :D

fitzsteve
13th May 2011, 13:41
Aye Steve, It will deffo go in hand luggage no doubt about it, the most scary thing for me is getting it through security without them thinking it has a bomb wired in there! :D

Print out this post mate and take it with you!

cosmicfrog
13th May 2011, 15:23
Wibble er I mean Great ribbits

yep haveing access to a keyboard while the thing is aparty is a great helpy
took me a bit to wonder why you did`t go for an adapter that fits in the KB slot but i get it now LOL

also that cutting wheel, I love using them on plastic, wheres the after shot of it all gunkd up hehehehehhe

Phipscube
13th May 2011, 19:00
HAHA! Aye Steve " well if you just read this 18 page document you'll see its not a bomb honest!" :D I'll think of something if there are any probs :)

Cheers Cosmic mate, yeah its a nice addition and really helpful! I did look at al the adapters available and the Lyra II seemed the best. Plus as you probably realised I'm still using the original KB with ribbon too so using one that occupied the ribbon slot wouldn't be possible. I could have plugged a ribbon adapter in as I mod I suppose, but I thought i'd try and make it integrated :)

Yeah mate! Dremels are ace! I usually take pics of the "After i've cleaned up" and just place the tool in position not turned on, bit of a cheat I know as its normally a right mess when you cut for real!

ChrisUnionNJ
13th May 2011, 20:01
I would say you have nerves of steel I would have just said ok tower here
you go I would not have that kind of focus..

Awesome job there Phipscube :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Chris :coffee:

johnim
13th May 2011, 20:05
great as always mate

Phipscube
14th May 2011, 23:54
It has been a big effort Chris I can tell you, but I've been determined from the very start to keep it all in the Wedge. I never thought i'd get this far though, i'm really happy with it, but that's it now for adding things, modding is over! there may be an odd tweak here and there but nothing major now. Of course I will often have the lid off to perform tests and such, that will always be a given, I love tinkering :) Anyway, thanks for the kind words mate :)

And to you John, Cheers mate! :)

I put the 320GB HDD in tonight and booted OS 4.0 to see how it would go. It went ok, found the drive in full. But I didn't finish off as I got tired. Will try again tomorrow. My plan is to set up the drive in OS 4 and then load on 3.9 after.

Kyle
15th May 2011, 08:01
Great, I imagine you'll purchase also OS4.1 for this beautiful machine :)

Phipscube
15th May 2011, 21:07
@kyle, yeah I do plan to buy OS 4.1 Classic for it. But if its anything like trying to get OS 4.0 working then i'm in for a bit of a hair pulling out session. I've been trying to get OS 4.0 working these last few days (spare time permitting) on my new 320GB HDD and it goes through all the installation process fine, but when I turn off the power and do the 15 second wait (I waited 1 minute) to flush the Kickstart and boot for the first time from HDD it just goes into an instant infinite reset loop YAAAY!

I've tried twice now. Once with IDE Fix enabled and floppy fix enabled (it recommends this even though my floppy isn't an Escom type). And once with both these options off (all the other options are default or obvious like using a BVPPC etc). I tried it with my 3.9 ROMS and 3.1 ROMS (just incase, although doubted this would be an issue) still same problem.

I was only doing this for a bit of a "quick" test, just to see how my system behaved with RTG etc, thinking OS 4 would allow me to test all my extra bits alot quicker than getting OS 3.9 working. But its not left me in the best of moods TBH. I left the Amiga in a huff and turned on the Neo Geo instead! Samurai Spirits FTW! :D

Skellionz
24th May 2011, 15:49
Wow, that is all. My Amiga looks pathetic by comparison lol

ad-rs1600i
11th June 2011, 18:11
I think I have said this once already, but that is an absolutely stunning piece of work honestly :bowdown: Well done:thumbsup:

Hopefully you will have more luck installing OS4.1, maybe some more of the bugs/idiosyncrasies have been ironed out?

How did you get into the customs electronics side to your installation - I wouldn't have a clue on where to begin creating things like the video switcher etc. I am jealous!! :)

How is the Delfina card working out? I would be really interested to know if OS4.1 uses this natively?

:bowdown:
Adrian

Phipscube
11th June 2011, 20:20
Thanks ad-rs1600i and Skellionz :)

@ad-rs1600

Well funny you should mention OS 4.1, as we "speak" i'm bashing my head against a wall trying to get it working. I've been getting EXACTLY the same errors with OS 4.1 as with OS 4.0. Today, however, I did manage to get it working on a spare drive set up with FFS only. It seems that the problem may be file system related and my IDEfix Express. It seems I will only be able to run OS 4.1 on my system with FFS. I'm just running through an install right now on my 320GB HDD so will report on if it works.

The custom electronics part is because i'm an electronic technician by trade and have been repairing all sorts of stuff for the last 15 years or so,. The stuff i've made is based on designs already out there. I've just adapted them to my own use :)

I've not actually done anything more with the Delfina since testing it in AHI under OS 3.9 to verify it works. It seems its not even going to work in OS 4.1 as its not officially supported. i'm going to try and load the drivers for it and see what happens though. I was a bit gutted to hear it wasn't made available in OS 4.1. I know the A4000 lite version used to be compatible in OS 4.0 so kinda hoped Clockport variants would hit in OS 4.1. Maybe in a future update? lets see. :)

ad-rs1600i
20th June 2011, 19:15
Thanks ad-rs1600i and Skellionz :)

@ad-rs1600


Ah, that explains it! - very good work :)

What a shame about the Delfina card and OS 4.1 Classic - in my humble opinion we really need someone to make a modern PPc card for Classic Amiga, and with that (due to renewed interest) I am sure all the holes that exist in terms of hardware compatibility would soon be resolve by the rich pool of talent we have within the Amiga community. I guess currently there is little motivation as the user pool for Classic OS 4.1 is relatively small I guess :(

I am going to have to pop along to a show at some point and see this in the flesh :thumbsup:

DonAmiga
19th July 2011, 01:05
Hi Phipscube

Its great just to spend some time going over your thread for a catch-up on your great A1200D :) If your bringing this to Blackpool I'll need to make sure I get down to see it :thumbsup:

All the best

Phipscube
2nd August 2011, 14:03
@ad, I did once want there to be a new PPC card for classic amiga, but now I think it would be a waste of time. The card would have to be a complete system on a card to get around the bottlenecks of the A1200 boards interfaces etc, and then you might as well buy a true NG Amiga. Something I'm considering myself actually.

I've not been doing much with this poor old girl recently what with my holidays and the generally "get out and play with a ball" weather (and the fact that i'm hooked on watching "Lost" right from the beginning, up to season 5 ATM). But the last time I had her fired up I got online using the built in Ethernet adapter under OS 4.1. It was dog slow, but worked! I will blow the dust off soon and get on with the installations of OS 4.1 and 3.9 though. The Delfina might work through some way, i've been discussing this with DarrenHD on the Amigakit dealer area. So not give up hope there yet.

@Don, aye mate! I'll be attempting to get this crazy girl past security and on a plane over to UK for R3play, so all being well you can have a play around and see first hand all the mad mods i've done :) Be good to meet up too! Beers... retro games.... Beers.... more Beers.... ! :D

ad-rs1600i
12th August 2011, 22:45
Shame, it sounds like it is struggling with 4.1 a little, but an awesome achievement running a modern OS on a computer that is 20 years old effectively - not many machines can do that I suspect! :)

I see what you are saying about a modern PPc for the classic Amiga - I say, never say never, but you make a compelling argument against - finally the limit I suppose :( I totally agree with your sentiment about 'a complete system on a card' - I think Jens has made an accelerator type adapter for the C64, but the idea was killed for me when I read that it will run even without a C64 plugged into it :( Not knocking Jens - just my sentimental point of view I guess wanting the machine to be at the heart of everything :)

Keep up the good work though, it really is a master piece! Well done :)

ad-rs1600i
25th August 2011, 21:48
Just read this post again trying to get some tips for my modest Amiga build, and once again, you should be really proud, I think it is a fantastic piece of work!

Enjoy and refine it further if possible :)

Awesome - my favourite custom Amiga by a wisker! :bowdown:

Well done :thumbsup:

ad-rs1600i
14th September 2011, 20:25
Shame no one has developed a small enhanced IDE or SATA controller, this would likely sort the majority of your painful performance problem out with OS4.1

This would probably help quite a bit as well:-

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052

But you'd never fit it into the A1200 shell :(

Hope you're not dishearten with your project anyway, this has given me a great deal of inspiration for my modest little project :thumbsup:

mfilos
14th September 2011, 20:45
Shame no one has developed a small enhanced IDE or SATA controller...
You just have to wait for Jen's new Idefix Express adapter (that will have SATA support)



This would probably help quite a bit as well:-
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052
But you'd never fit it into the A1200 shell :(

Ofc you can. It needs a bit of hacking on Keyboard's metal backplate though.

16971 16972 16973 16974

merlinkv
14th September 2011, 21:23
@mfilos

If one day you decide to sell this "A1200 Diamond Edition"........ :D

One of the best..... that's for sure :thumbsup:

About......


You just have to wait for Jen's new Idefix Express adapter (that will have SATA support)

This new IDEFix adapter.... is in development?

mfilos
14th September 2011, 21:30
@merlinkv
Dunno if one of the best Pablo my friend but definitely the Best one is indeed Phipscube's BY FAR! :thumbsup:
Apart from that, mine doesn't have an FastATA as it used to. It has Idefix Express.

The SATA Idefix Express was mentioned by Jens in the Indivision mk2 thread over EAB that will start it's development logically after Indivision mk2 and ACA520.

merlinkv
14th September 2011, 21:57
@merlinkv
Dunno if one of the best Pablo my friend but definitely the Best one is indeed Phipscube's BY FAR! :thumbsup:
Apart from that, mine doesn't have an FastATA as it used to. It has Idefix Express.

The SATA Idefix Express was mentioned by Jens in the Indivision mk2 thread over EAB that will start it's development logically after Indivision mk2 and ACA520.

Yes my friend, I don't have words to expresse my :wooha: :bowdown: :bowdown: :wooha: for the two systems (your and the Phipscube's one).....

These A1200's are simply wondefull :thumbsup:

Phipscube
15th September 2011, 07:31
:oops: shuks thanks guys.

Well, i've not been doing much with the old girl these last few weeks, but I did fire her up at weekend and manage to figure out why my USB NIC wasn't initialising at boot on OS 4.1 (the configuration line comes before the Posedion stack initialisation so of course it can't find the NIC, I just moved the line below Posedion in the User Startup and all was fine). and I also applied Update 3. So at the mo she is comfortably booting into OS 4.1.3 and can go online (Very slowly). Subway is running sweet too for the USB ports and the CF card reader. I'm going to try and get my Delfina running somehow next.

Phipscube
10th November 2011, 20:00
Its been a while, and quite a strange year for me generally, but I have started messing around with the old A1200 Beast again. Whilst using her I found I wanted to see some kind of activity LED's for my NIC and DVD drives so I added a few: -

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QdYBE3Wt5YY/Truz4RGMudI/AAAAAAAAB7I/wGzEICtptCs/s800/DSC_0435.JPG

I drilled a 2.5mm hole into the side near the Delfina Mic + Line sockets so I can see when my NIC is active.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7AMy6lcd4vc/Truz_I3tOYI/AAAAAAAAB7M/ygt2oBrAizM/s800/DSC_0436.JPG

The LED is a flat top so its flush with the casing. I chose Yellow because when its off you can't notice it so much and I wanted a colour that matches the original top access LEDs.

Here's the LED for the DVD: -


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dgzHub6kn8o/Truz__sx9vI/AAAAAAAAB7Q/-kKPTy5reHM/s800/DSC_0437.JPG


This is the NIC LED flashing away when active: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e0Jq7Na6vtA/Tru0As9N3oI/AAAAAAAAB7U/tOFmMlZP5jI/s800/DSC_0438.JPG


And the DVD LED: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MJAdK_17NWc/Tru0BeJPV5I/AAAAAAAAB7Y/M1Z1oEQntBM/s800/DSC_0439.JPG


I've been trying to get my Delfina working in OS4.1 but i've given up. I got it to work with scratchy sound output when I blacklisted certain files in the JIT emulation but the whole system was so flakey and crashtastic that I decided to roll back to an earlier backup and just quit trying and hope that one day a proper official driver will be made.

I've now started to concentrate on installing OS3.9 on my DH1 partition :)

johnim
10th November 2011, 20:03
great new mods mate :bowdown:

DonAmiga
10th November 2011, 22:52
Great to see an update :) and its a nice touch indeed :cool: Looks Great :thumbsup:

All the best :) it always cheers me up having a look at your A1200 project :D

Phipscube
11th November 2011, 11:50
Thanks John and Don :)

Its only a couple of small things, but i'm very happy with the tweaks :)

mfilos
12th November 2011, 09:38
Every little tweak count my friend! Awesome job as always :)
I really envy you guys that can find so many LED and electronic components so easily.

Here we can find only the general ones without many variations so eBay or Internet orders are the only way to get :(

Cheers again my friend and keep us posted \o/

Phipscube
12th November 2011, 13:37
Cheers Marios mate :) I was playing with the old girl last night and It's easier to see if there is any activity on the DVD and Net card now. Before this I was putting my ear on the DVD drive and looking through the floppy drive slot to see if the red Net led was flashing! :D

TBH, Most of my bits and bobs come from Ebay too, or old stripped PC's (If anyone is dumping a PC I nab the boards and do a mass heat gun attack!). I do confess to swiping the odd resistor, oscillator, capacitor and diode from work though :shhh:

Those LEDs appeared on our consumables stock (that basically means they aren't officially needed anymore) they are surplus from a very old project we had going (over 5 years ago) and they are quite special so I nabbed a couple :D

I hit a milestone yesterday night too! I FINALLY got Warp OS and Warp 3D running from a FRESH OS 3.9 install! Its taken a bit of time for me to get there but its working. I have 12 different backup points I can jump between to check how things work. The only problem is I have corrupt graphics sometimes in WipeOut 2097 on the loading screen (flickers menu and loading screen over the top), and when I jump back to desktop parts of it are black? I've not tried any other 3D games yet. Also my Delfina stopped working at some point (which judging by other folks experience was bound to happen)... but I have at least progressed these last few days! :D

What with custom 3.9 Rom and all the bells and whistles of 3.9 just about there, the old girl boots and runs very quickly :)

ad-rs1600i
16th November 2011, 18:00
Cheers Marios mate :) I was playing with the old girl last night and It's easier to see if there is any activity on the DVD and Net card now. Before this I was putting my ear on the DVD drive and looking through the floppy drive slot to see if the red Net led was flashing! :D

TBH, Most of my bits and bobs come from Ebay too, or old stripped PC's (If anyone is dumping a PC I nab the boards and do a mass heat gun attack!). I do confess to swiping the odd resistor, oscillator, capacitor and diode from work though :shhh:

Those LEDs appeared on our consumables stock (that basically means they aren't officially needed anymore) they are surplus from a very old project we had going (over 5 years ago) and they are quite special so I nabbed a couple :D

I hit a milestone yesterday night too! I FINALLY got Warp OS and Warp 3D running from a FRESH OS 3.9 install! Its taken a bit of time for me to get there but its working. I have 12 different backup points I can jump between to check how things work. The only problem is I have corrupt graphics sometimes in WipeOut 2097 on the loading screen (flickers menu and loading screen over the top), and when I jump back to desktop parts of it are black? I've not tried any other 3D games yet. Also my Delfina stopped working at some point (which judging by other folks experience was bound to happen)... but I have at least progressed these last few days! :D

What with custom 3.9 Rom and all the bells and whistles of 3.9 just about there, the old girl boots and runs very quickly :)

Great to see you improving it still further, and with OS 3.9 I bet it is an absolute rocket ship!! :thumbsup: I'm sure you're not, but don't be dishearten by the 4.1 performance especially the web.. for its vintage, it is mighty impressive:)

The Defina issues sound ominous.. I've just brought one actually about a couple of months ago, is it not going to live long? The guys I brought it off said it wouldn't be that great anyway with my 030 but I thought I would get one anyway, just because I respect the madness of making new hardware for classic computers in the year 2011!:thumbsup:

Phipscube
16th November 2011, 19:30
Thanks Ad-ri :)

I was a bit dishartened by OS 4.1, not because its slow on the net, that's ok I expected that, but because I don't feel like I can do much with it. Its a crying shame as there is no need to faff about "building" up an OS, its just about go from the moment its finished installing, the problem is the lack of drivers, software, and backwards compatibility.

If it would work with ALL classic hardware (including the 060 on my PPC board) and have good usability with general OS 4.1 software (ie, it worked at a fair speed without one feeling like they needed to buy an AmigaOne) and had full backwards compatibility, even through a really integrated emulator (building on JIT would be ideal I suppose) then there would be no need for OS 3.9.

In all honesty i'd very much prefer it! I don't really like having to build up OS 3.9 with all sorts of different programs patches work arounds and the like, I Want to just use the machine now, some folks like hacking and building up hardware (me) some folks like hacking and building up the software (not me).

So i'm taking the trial and error process now to get to a workable OS3.9 install and i'm sure i'll get there eventually, but unlike the hardware hacks where I feel like I progress a little each day, with the software I feel like I get so far then BAM, mistake - start again.

I've got a good backup system going now though so I can gradually find out whats causing problems and at what point.

The Delfina isn't actually broke (Well I don't think it is). Its something i'm loading at some point that's causing it to stop working, I just have to find out what it is.

I did find something cool out today. For my AVS I can use Ratte's Software! Only the external parallel version of the driver, but it works! The original software was patching CGX libs which is a bit dangerous I think. Anyway, it failed to patch them on the install I got up to and I didn't understand why, so out of the blue I just thought i'd see if Ratte's driver would work and it does, he uses the same pin 13 +5V or GND to switch the AVS.

Anyway, good luck with the Delfina, it sounds AWESOME when its working :)

r0jaws
16th November 2011, 20:25
This thread has so much awesome I cry a little every time I look. :D

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/r0jaws/anteater/so_much_win.png

Phipscube
16th November 2011, 21:23
Haha! Thanks Phil :)

ad-rs1600i
17th November 2011, 18:09
Thanks for the reply :thumbsup:

I think I understand why a lot of people dislike OS4.0 and above, it feels from reading your description like a big departure from the original architecture, to the point whereby you cannot make use of the origin hardware, which is a great shame :(

I like tinker, but I am genuinely dreading trying to make the software do anything useful..! I think it will be very difficult, but hey I'll give it go :)

Could I ask you a question? I want to drive the speaker output from the Amiga into the input on the Delfina using an old analogue CD speaker cable. Do you happen to know where I solder the leads to get the correct stereo left and right channels? Viewing your build I can attach the cables to just one of the phono outputs which confused me a little :blink:

Adrian

PS - patching and workarounds are going to be the story of my life running 3.1 :D

Phipscube
18th November 2011, 07:56
Hi Adrian

Yeah OS 4.X feels different.... It looks the same layout and all that but somehow it feels a bit like using an emulator. I can't really explain it. Don't get me wrong, its a nice OS, but I think it was never really designed to ever run on classic machines. Its like trying to port Linux to Classics, ruddy difficult. The pure fact that it doesn't work with 68K is testament to this. AFAIK it probably never will be able to work with 68K because of its low level architecture which it tailored to PPC. Hence the need for 68k emulation. For an AmigaOne I imagine its lovely... and one day i'd like a uA1 board to mess with :)

for audio you do indeed take L and R from Native and feed it into one of the lines of the Delfina. I've since bypassed that and I have native coming straight back out again next to the Delfina output through a filter (as I wanted to have native audio at cold boot time). But i'll explain why it looks like i'm feeding from one phono plug: -

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FP2U3vMm1yo/TFcNQ6MRAII/AAAAAAAAAIc/XkpAHvimngQ/s1280/02082010641.JPG

If you look carefully in the pic you will see that the white wire (L audio) is connected to a pad that goes across to the L phono mount area (the 3 pole phono plugs allow mono sound. when only one phono is inserted, you get both channels out of one plug).. I just mounted it near the R side to keep the wires together :)

Justin
18th November 2011, 09:36
i love this thread!! it is just soooo full of JAWSOMENESS!!!:thumbsup:

ad-rs1600i
19th November 2011, 11:59
Many thanks for taking time for such a detailed reply :bowdown::)

Sorry to ask, I'm not great with this stuff, but the white wire is effectively getting a mono signal that includes both the left and right channel, is that correct?

I guess the yellow wire is redundant?

My plan was to keep the original phono sockets in tacked and simply solder the wires on under the board. By doing this I will have the native sound always available via the original phono ports and should I get the Deflina to do something, while using work bench I will simply disconnect from native phono and run the sound through the Delfina. Does this sound sensible to you?

Many thanks again for your time :bowdown::)

ancalimon
20th November 2011, 15:29
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_fdR0Byi9CIY/TGW_jJTDvnI/AAAAAAAAAS8/1BC3UO5bpmw/s640/13082010737.JPG


What did you modify on the Delfina?

1-) Never seen one (I had an old Delfina Lite which I used with my A4000T)
2-) Would an mp3@64 be a better option for me? :) I'm not tech savy.
3-) Does it play mp3s properly? Are there any lockups?

Phipscube
20th November 2011, 22:48
@Adrian

The white wire on my Amiga (now i've taken off the phono sockets) is simply providing Left and the red wire Right. The yellow wire would be a second ground that's unecessary. The thing you have to think about is how the circuit acts with the phono socket soldered in. If they are still left on as you want to have them, the right plug will be bypassing its channel to the left side with no phono plug inserted, its only when you insert a phono plug into the right socket that it is mechanically disconnected from the left side.

So if you leave your phono sockets in place, then solder wires under the board, you're going to get left and right audio mixed together with no Right side phono plug inserted.

So if you want to do it, you're gonna have to go all the way mate! Rip those Sockets off! :D

The alternative is to have 2 phono plugs from your Amiga coming straight back into the case, then connecting to the Delfina Line in, then having a seperate set from the delfina output to your stereo. Then you could have a second set of phonos you could swap out when you only want to use Native Amiga Audio.

@ancalimon

Well I only changed some of the physical connections to make the Delfina more "flat" and so it could fit inside my A1200.

I took off irrelevant headers
Hard soldered the Clock port cable to the board
90 Degree angled a capacitor
took off all the phono and CDDA style sockets and lead them on wires

I have since made the inputs and output neater than the pic you posted too: -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xoNpD2bznvI/TU0Y7x5WyXI/AAAAAAAABDo/1tuseuC-lMg/s800/27012011878.JPG

I then stuck a thin piece of plastic under the board to avoid shorts

If you want to perform this mod, then please be careful with the two tiny capacitors under the clock port connector if you use a PPC accellerator these are vital, if not you have to take them off anyway so no biggie :)

1 - It looks pretty much like the photos! quite a beast and not very desktop friendly. Its most certainly not designed to fit in a Desktop.

2 - If you ONLY want to play MP3's and you don't think you can modify the connectons how I have, then maybe yes, but i've honestly never used an MP3@64, I thought it was only for the C64, so thats how much I know :whistle:. But when its running, the Delfina sounds soooo nice! It can be a bit of a ball ache to get running correctly on a heavily modded Workbench (As i'm finding now). It also doesn't work in Amiga OS 4.1 Classic (Much to my dismay). But I can heartily recommend it.

3 - It plays MP3's just sweet. Depends what you mean by lockups? whilst its playing MP3's? not that i've found, when its not set up correctly? yes, it can reak havok on my poor old '12 :D

ancalimon
20th November 2011, 23:47
Phipscube (http://www.amibay.com/member.php?u=2206): I'm afraid I won't be able to do it :p Great work! The only person I know who's able to do this kind of job is tabuhuso in Turkey but his kids won't allow him to start fixing my A4000T let alone do a mod like this. If you can butcher another Delfina and sell it to me, I would buy it to use with my own A1200. :p

I have my old broken BPPC (no scsi) (hopefully only problem with it is related to bad soldering) and if it's fixable it I might start using it instead of the Blizzard060+SCSI on my A1200. Unfortunately without a BVision, I won't bother using it.

About Delfina lockups: I had a Delfina Lite which I swapped for a Toccata. I used a modified delfina.library and overclocked it using a utility from Aminet. That was the only way for it to decode mp3s without locking up and I still got a lockup or two in a day that way. I guess that's fixed with these new cards. It sounded great and I could boot playing an mp3 using delfplay. Friends that saw it were in awe.

Phipscube
21st November 2011, 07:51
@ ancalimon, I'd so much love to make a living out of providing all these crazy mods of mine but i've got a full time job and a family with 2 young kids, so as you can imagine, i'm very hard pushed to even have time for my own mods. I use the equipment I have at work too. If I get some equipment at home and a bigger house one day to have a workshop (And not the Dining table) I may take up the odd request. :)

I hope you can get your BPPC working, have you talked to stachu100 (Stan) on here? I got my BPPC from him and he is a total guru when it comes to the PPC :)

Ah the old libraries that needed a patch? I've always used Delfina.library V4.17 which I *THINK* has addressed all the issues with lockups and doesn't need patching. Don't quote me on that as i'm still in the early days using the Delfina in my setup under 3.9. Right now its not working and i've not had time these last days to go back to an older install backup and try and find out where its going wrong.

I'm really tempted to just crap out with a completely fresh install and load on ClassicWB 3.9 then tart it up with Warp OS etc. I'm such a slouch with software :whistle:

Phipscube
5th December 2011, 20:45
Small tweak time.

My System started showing the wrong date and time at boot up so I suspected the Lithium battery on the BPPC. Lo and behold it was only 2.5V, which isn't quite enough for reliable operation.

So I needed to replace it.... but I decided to mod it a little at the same time: -

Here's the offender

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MP_8FTSUPIk/Tt0pIXuqidI/AAAAAAAAB8c/7JLI472D3Xw/s640/DSC_0013.JPG


Its soldered in so I removed it

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8YDx1s2NJFY/Tt0pKmIXlKI/AAAAAAAAB8g/9DJPOy8XJUM/s640/DSC_0014.JPG


Whats this? A use for the big hole the original fan left! :)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vvvtmnGHpsM/Tt0pMWz2htI/AAAAAAAAB8k/jxGmwxYGaMM/s640/DSC_0015.JPG


I added a few small drops of super glue to hold it in, then wired into the original battery holes

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B5PYfLlNylc/Tt0pOkcMHjI/AAAAAAAAB8o/VkuVshaneic/s640/DSC_0016.JPG


Ignore the CR2032, it should be an ML2032 or VL2032. (the original Batt is a VL2020, RECHARGEABLE! I didn't notice the "VL")

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UdcpMyWiUY4/Tt0pRARTOSI/AAAAAAAAB8s/OxZuOu8LEBg/s512/DSC_0019.JPG

There ya go! :)

johnim
5th December 2011, 20:47
nice little idea there mate

fitzsteve
5th December 2011, 20:50
Lol Les you're just nutz :thumbsup:

But I love it, great haxz as always :bowdown:

r0jaws
5th December 2011, 22:46
Nice one, although I don't think mine has read the right time since I got it.
Is that a rechargeable replacement? Also, is the mark by the solder point on the left indicating positive?
I really must get round to doing this, and beefing up my cooling in line with what you have done, but I have so much else on. I will have to make time.

Phipscube
6th December 2011, 08:07
Cheers Guys, I thought how annoying it is to change the batt! (basically had to strip the old girl half down to get the PPC and BV out) So decided to make life easier in future.... granted it might not be for another 10 years or so but hey!

Phil, The purple wire is positive and I did mark it on the board too :)

And Good job you mentioned Rechargeable! I'd forgot! HA! well I need to source a Rechargeable VL2032 or similar to put in there instead of the standard CR lithium :D So ignore the last photo! :oops:

(Good job i'd not powered her up lastnight to check)

Edit: -

Just ordered an ML2032

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maxell-ML2032-ML-2032-Rechargeable-3V-Coin-Cell-Battery-/160433315326?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item255a921dfe#ht_2091wt_1163

Thanks again Phil for mentioning this! PHEW! I was going to fire up the Amiga lastnight and didn't due to feeling tired out after dealing with the kids, just plonked out in front of the TV instead! How lucky!

I owe you one of these :beer:

r0jaws
6th December 2011, 17:46
You're welcome buddy, I couldn't see a resistor/ diode so thought I'd better check. ;)

johnim
6th December 2011, 17:50
so you need a diode if replacing with non rechargable as i was going to replace my 1230/1260 blizzard ones

r0jaws
6th December 2011, 18:25
Yes, have a look HERE (http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=15438&highlight=battery+diode), Justin asked the same question.

johnim
6th December 2011, 19:09
thanks phil

Phipscube
6th December 2011, 19:23
I've seen the diode mod used before its a good way to use inexpensive CR2032 :) I'd like to still use a rechargeable though (I was just so absent minded yesterday! note to self, don't mod when tired!). TBH, I didn't plan that mod, it just annoyed me that I had to strip the computer to get the battery out! probably a bit overkill, I could have just bought an exact replacement VL2020 and soldered it in for another 10 years of service, I just got whacky! :D

johnim
6th December 2011, 19:30
hi les found these buy 2 and get 1 free too
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180766661687?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#shId

Phipscube
6th December 2011, 19:41
Yeah I saw them John, cheers though mate! :) I ended up plumping for a slightly more expensive branded Maxell :oops:

Phipscube
10th January 2012, 12:08
I've been tweaking still. Here's a few pics from the last month or so: -

It's time to replace the caps on BVPPC. 3 here..

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MKg87mh4q5s/TwwG6-xojBI/AAAAAAAAB-Y/X7xyVforMKk/s640/DSC_0145.JPG


Done!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4Eu4IQ6gEss/TwwG7zov1oI/AAAAAAAAB-c/QCx5bLd3wIM/s640/DSC_0146.JPG


4 on top

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LPPljR6da-o/TwwG54Q5pGI/AAAAAAAAB-U/9BKinASHB44/s640/DSC_0144.JPG


Sorted. 5 106 caps and 2 107 caps to do BV.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-joEV__mqD_8/TwwG9O-n4QI/AAAAAAAAB-g/p4Jani1ECkY/s640/DSC_0147.JPG


I'm Adding 2 fans to BV and ditching my case fans. this is so I can run the machine with the lid off for longer than 10 mins, without fear of frying the Permedia 2 chip.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--myk7k0i2fk/TwwHGE6c-gI/AAAAAAAAB_E/elWLERk_PrM/s640/DSC_0253.JPG


Fixed on with 2mm screws and a small dollop or super glue at the base of each sat in the heat sink. Cut and routed both wires to a header.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aqo29RfTHz0/TwwHHNmlS1I/AAAAAAAAB_I/mMWXh27WHqk/s640/DSC_0254.JPG


I took off the express mode jumpers as sometimes the machine would boot with an exclaimer saying that express mode was off. I suspected the jumpers, and since I wont ever run in non-express I decided to hard solder. No problems now :) I also cleaned up the board a bit and applied some lacquer.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EQTl1mOmG3Y/TwwG_Lu-ZmI/AAAAAAAAB-k/eAI16FlphKI/s640/DSC_0148.JPG


I got a new PLCC socket for my Indivision from Cosmos. Sometimes my system would have no screen from cold boot. This better quality connector should hopefully solve the problem.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Kv3Y442Ow2A/TwwG_x_vjhI/AAAAAAAAB-o/sUooauy09CU/s640/DSC_0149.JPG


Taken off the plastic bits with a dremel

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DzvICG444t0/TwwHBIKSFcI/AAAAAAAAB-s/pJV0Pxkc5GY/s640/DSC_0150.JPG


here's the old socket (in all its sanded-down-from-new glory)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wf1hqOJ8uf0/TwwHB0kjLVI/AAAAAAAAB-w/V5_K4ABdoKE/s640/DSC_0151.JPG


Out ya come old chap

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WwPTW9ngwGM/TwwHC0vRmkI/AAAAAAAAB-0/R4uXqhwNw5c/s640/DSC_0152.JPG


I added a spacer to help with connecting IDE cables to the IDEFIX. This will stop the Indi popping off when I apply pressure.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HjGxo_wTz7U/TwwHDxelBlI/AAAAAAAAB-4/Y73td1ZvoF8/s640/DSC_0153.JPG


The new socket is on now. You can see how the spacer helps here. (The Ide Fix express is on top).

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-o1v7q6wGldY/TwwHElI6O7I/AAAAAAAAB-8/KAnhCXAE5Yg/s640/DSC_0154.JPG


Finished off with a bit of a clean and laquer :)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2wKEuaoa37w/TwwHFW2D3LI/AAAAAAAAB_A/Nlu5PK9lpNM/s640/DSC_0155.JPG


Now to replace the caps on BPPC.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BmkadHhdc9E/TwwHIXQW_zI/AAAAAAAAB_M/48RoimHDZV4/s640/DSC_0255.JPG


Off they come on one side.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0_2otx8KU14/TwwHJZ-f7BI/AAAAAAAAB_Q/oeexUfJPYjg/s640/DSC_0256.JPG


And new ones added.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YYFfyQjOk2I/TwwHKagG9kI/AAAAAAAAB_U/wkAC-uJDI6c/s640/DSC_0257.JPG


Fan and heatsink off PPC some are under that. But there is also one under the oscillators.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aXwAc8pFRGI/TwwHLFsbchI/AAAAAAAAB_Y/IuLSlahlJG8/s640/DSC_0258.JPG


Oscillators off too. Here's a zoom out view. (Notice I have the correct ML2032 Rechargeable Batt now too)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z2nmpnEWl7A/TwwHMa6dQtI/AAAAAAAAB_c/8kqxjkyoyyw/s640/DSC_0259.JPG


If you look closely, I have a job with the two caps near the glued on nuts. they are half covered in glue :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V4kCDn-op_Q/TwwHNSvYEBI/AAAAAAAAB_g/QLcb6tnw6yU/s640/DSC_0260.JPG


No probs, here's most of the other side done....

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x4YdqlaGVEo/TwwHOK38_7I/AAAAAAAAB_k/ioS7i758shg/s640/DSC_0261.JPG


But I looked between the pins of the 060 and saw what looked like more caps, after Cosmos confirmed there are 3 more there, I took off the 060 and lo behold!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nr9FK-NgJVc/TwwHPApzyOI/AAAAAAAAB_o/OYPRyxyp1CA/s640/DSC_0262.JPG


New ones in :) As you can see, Oscillators, heatsinks and fan are back on. all in all for non SCSI its 33 106 caps and 5 107 caps. you need 5 more 106 for SCSI.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p4GYbaYq1yQ/TwwHQE-kcGI/AAAAAAAAB_s/u2CfO5NKCWo/s640/DSC_0263.JPG

So there are my tweaks gathered together. I have a few more to do too. Little things i've noticed that are a bit annoying. So hopefully they refine this beast even more :)

Thanks for looking! :thumbsup:

Cosmos
10th January 2012, 13:12
- Super ! Good capacitors installed !!

Small 10uF are from Avx
and big 100uF from Kemet

Phipscube
10th January 2012, 13:32
And thank you Cosmos for supplying these very good quality capacitors to me :)

r0jaws
10th January 2012, 13:37
Truly impressive work Les. :thumbsup:
I love the way you casually mention "popping off" the unsocketed 060 CPU as if you were merely moving an inconvenient pack of sausages out of the way in your fridge!

Phipscube
10th January 2012, 20:14
HAHA! :D I did mention it a bit trivially. It was quite time consuming in reality. I had to REALLY concentrate hard near the SIMM socket too, its literally half a mm away from meltosimm on that last row of pins. Ultra concentration! These photos do make it look all wish wooosh though. The Desolder machine at work is an old beast (Weller), but it works great. I had the 060 out in about 20 mins. The whole caps replacement took around 1.5 hours on the BPPC.

I didn't REALLY need to replace the caps, well, I think I made up in my head that I could see some screen bleed so decided to do it. Afterwards I discovered that its probably the monitor i'm using is on the blink! :D

It was good fun though! I also found out how the CPU had been doing under the wacky Heatsink and fan combo... Very well! The arctic silver was still as it should be (not hard and dry) and the connection to the copper plate was sticktastically perfect! The CPU top was a nice colour, no signs of overheat. So yea, an all round fun and satisfying job :)

fitzsteve
10th January 2012, 20:34
Les you're Nuts :lol:

In a good way :thumbsup:

Phipscube
10th January 2012, 22:24
Hehe! Ta Steve! :D

Phipscube
11th January 2012, 13:41
Ok, I've had a bit of a scare over on eab. A user named 8bitbubsy is suggesting i've got possible heat damage on my BPPC board :( He circled the area thus: -

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5827/dsc0263ir.jpg

The light green patch in the middle.

Now i'm wondering what to do. I'd like a few more opinions on this.

Its possible that the "damage" is caused by the CPU, it seems to be inline with the position of the copper plate under the 060. Looking at my 060 when it was out, the copper plate looked great and showed no signs of the type of excessive heat that could cause damage to a PCB, Especially since the plate rests 4mm above! This card has certainly not ever run with the 060 above 68 deg C since I owned it. And back then that was only for period of time. Now its been running around 60 Deg C since putting heatsink and PPC fan on (blowing air across it).

So it may be possible that this happened with the original CPU and owner, I THINK the board used to be an 040/160MHz PPC.

I hope maybe Stanis, Cosmos and some other guys that have experience with repairing many PPC boards may be able to comment.

Is this heat damage?
Is it a common fault with the BPPC?
Should I start to worry?
What should I do to prevent further damage if it is?

r0jaws
11th January 2012, 13:48
....Should I start to worry?...

That is the default state of all PPC owners mate.
I can't say myself, but I hope Stan or Cosmos may be able to alleviate your worries. It has been running fine otherwise?

stachu100
11th January 2012, 14:30
Answer is very simple:
It's not original phase5 factory state.

You have this board from me, I have this board from someone else (and this person was not the first owner).
Once I bought it I've noticed that 040 CPU was replaced (solder joints on 040 were not original).
But card worked properly. So I've had no issues to buy it. Card was working with no issues.

So I've upgraded to current state - also no issues.
After that I sold it to you.
And as I know you had no issues with it as well.

It's looks like CPU was un-solderd in the past with too much heat causing PCB ro create thin cavity inside between the layers.
For sure it's not caused by heat generated by 040 or 060.
And there is nothing to be worrying about. This BPPC worked like that for about 5 years (as far as I know the history of this card).

Cosmos
11th January 2012, 15:16
- Yes, it's too much heat during too much time...


@all

When you begin in a new experience (here a 68040 desoldering), DO NOT START ON WORKING (and rare) hardware !
Always use dead PCBs, and train a lot on them...

I said this evidence many times here and on my Blog !


For example, when I started in BGA soldering, I found some old IBM PPC modules and training on them before my beloved BlizzardPPC :

http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2011/11/training-reballing-i.html
and
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2011/11/training-reballing-ii.html

Phipscube
11th January 2012, 15:33
PHEW! Ok Thanks for the clarification Stanis :) I was more concerned if It had become this way since I owned it. I've certainly had no problems with it crashing and what not and it works STELLAR with OS 4.1. So I was more concerned if it was going to get worse due to the way I was using it (In a Desktop case with the 060 @60MHz).

No probs at all Phil, And when I plugged it back in after the Cap replacements it booted up just as good as always. Time will always tell with these things. And you know what its like every time you come to power up, there is always that little niggle of wonder if the old girl will boot or not today.

Yeah, I double on what Cosmos says. I must say I have desoldered many times before (and much more difficult so this job was no probs for me), and I know that I was not using too much heat. But now I know that its a little delicate under the 060 i'll not want to be having to desolder it again :) Not tried BGA before though! Nice blog you have Cosmos.

I mainly needed to know if it had happened in my care or before. Now I can sigh a little relief :)

Thanks guys!

stachu100
11th January 2012, 20:49
@all

When you begin in a new experience (here a 68040 desoldering), DO NOT START ON WORKING (and rare) hardware !
Always use dead PCBs, and train a lot on them...
I 100% second that.
An example what might happen when someone is not a master:

r0jaws
12th January 2012, 08:22
Blimey, not only did they scorch the board, but it looks like they chewed the RAM socket in frustration too! ;)

Phipscube
12th January 2012, 10:52
I can imagine how easy it is to melt the RAM socket on the last row of pins. I needed an extra long bit on the extractor just to rise above the socket. even then the nib of the tip was half mm away. Steady hand, keen eye and timing of heat all at the same time. Takes a bit of doing. Anyone who hasn't had any experience in this before, trying for the first time on a BPPC WILL do this to it.

D.B
12th January 2012, 17:45
@ Phipscube RE the CAP replacement pics.

Nice! :thumbsup:

Phipscube
12th January 2012, 22:24
Thanks D.B. :) I hope the pics can help others that really insist on replacing perfectly fine tantalums on thier BPPC and BVPPC's just like me! :D

I'm actually feeling quite stoopid about the whole cap replacement for the BPPC. :oops: I got a bit too caught up in worry and replaced them without really thinking properly, if I had I would have considered the screen being the culprit, not the BV or BPPC. I could have really screwed the board up. Alas, I don't recommend anyone copy me on this one unless you are TOTALLY sure you have bad caps!

Retrofan
25th February 2012, 20:12
@Adrian

The white wire on my Amiga (now i've taken off the phono sockets) is simply providing Left and the red wire Right. The yellow wire would be a second ground that's unecessary. The thing you have to think about is how the circuit acts with the phono socket soldered in. If they are still left on as you want to have them, the right plug will be bypassing its channel to the left side with no phono plug inserted, its only when you insert a phono plug into the right socket that it is mechanically disconnected from the left side.

So if you leave your phono sockets in place, then solder wires under the board, you're going to get left and right audio mixed together with no Right side phono plug inserted.

So if you want to do it, you're gonna have to go all the way mate! Rip those Sockets off! :D

The alternative is to have 2 phono plugs from your Amiga coming straight back into the case, then connecting to the Delfina Line in, then having a seperate set from the delfina output to your stereo. Then you could have a second set of phonos you could swap out when you only want to use Native Amiga Audio.



Excuse me Les asking about something previously asked, but you know I haven't got still decided what to do for the audio mix in my mod, although I even did your audio mix board.

You know I've got already another rca connectors for the Delfina in the Rf modulator place. Can I (by your comments) without desoldering the sockets, solder cables to the Native in the mb (but, connected to both rca's) and connect them to the Delfina line in -which, cd, aux...?-)? Woudn't I have that way the same level of sound in both without an audio mixer?