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  • #46
    Re: Retro Reunited - Pictures

    now does that mean that the info on the discs will still be readable? but they'll have nothing to read it on? on the data will deteriorate and become unreadable?
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    • #47
      Re: Retro Reunited - Pictures

      Those 12" laser dics never really got off the ground. It was like the VHS/BetaMax thing all over again & we ended up with DVD. Still nice to see one though. Huge Shiney.

      Kin

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      • #48
        Re: Retro Reunited - Pictures

        Originally posted by Merlin
        I think that answers the "these discs will be readable in 200 years" comment with a resounding "Meh".....I don't believe that any recording system has that level of reliability.

        The nearest and oldest thing we have to that standard in terms of still being readable on a portable medium is audio recorded on wax cylinders and 78rpm records, I suppose.
        No one can know for sure if something will ever have a real 200 year life span.

        As for wax cylinders and records. Both have downfall of degradation with each play/reading, so are not an ideal storage format.

        Laserdisc was a very interesting format because whilst it was a digital disc, it stores its contents in an analogue form, so it held more of the original video and audio data than current purely digital formats like CD and DVD.
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        • #49
          Re: Retro Reunited - Pictures

          Originally posted by JuvUK
          now does that mean that the info on the discs will still be readable? but they'll have nothing to read it on? on the data will deteriorate and become unreadable?
          The first. The data will still be readable on the discs, but without a BBC Master and the correct controller to an LD player there would be no way to access and make sense of the data.
          Coming soon - ..
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          C= Amiga: A4000T/PPC/060, | A1200 x2 | A600 x2 | A500 & Plus x6 | CD32
          Atari:
          520 STFM | 4160 STE | 2600 Woody || Nintendo: Wii | GCN | N64 + Everdrive | SNES + Everdrive | SNES Mini | GB | GBA | DS-XL
          Sega
          : Dreamcast | Megadrive + Everdrive || Microsoft: Xbox x2 | Xbox 360 Slim 250GB || Sony: PSX | PS2 | PS2slim | PS3 slim | PSP x2 | Vita

          PC:
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          Phone: Samsung S20 5G
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          • #50
            Re: Retro Reunited - Pictures

            The lads at Byte Back were part of a group to keep the Origional Kit running. Although retrieving the data saves that for the future they said that it just became snippets of infomation without the program that was designed to use it.
            Rude alert! Rude alert! An electrical fire has knocked out my voice-recognition unicycle! Many Wurlitzers are missing from my database! Abandon shop! This is not a daffodil! Repeat, this is not a daffodil!
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            • #51
              Re: Retro Reunited - Pictures

              Have a read of this interesting article that explains about the Doomsday project. http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/13419/?a=f

              And if you are interested in reading more take a look at http://www.atsf.co.uk/dottext/domesday.html

              Interestingly the two articles/sites do contradict each other slightly. The first article states that the Doomsday project has been successfully transferred from the original Laserdiscs and can now be run on modern PCs using a specially made BBC emulator. However the second site states that this project is up in the air and currently in an unknown limbo. So who is right? I would love to obtain a copy of the Project to use myself.

              The second link/site goes into a lot of detail about the UK 1985 Doomsday Project. It details the technology developed to store and run the program, as well as the attempts so far to restore the original video footage, and to reverse engineer the original programs, data and images in an attempt to develop a new version of the Project that would run on current PCs.

              Interestingly the Amiga was considered as the platform to be used to run the Doomsday project, but it was passed over for the BBC Master due to all UK school and many libraries already having them. How annoying it that? Had the Amiga been the platform they would have been able to create a much richer multimedia experience than they did, and they wouldn't of had to develop the custom trackerball interface to use the program (as the BBC had no built in support for pointer based interfaces), and the special video overlay technology to overlay the data content output from the BBC on top of the video and picture content from the laserdiscs. The Amiga and a Genlock could have done this very easily, and at a fraction of the cost. Plus if the Amiga had been used I doubt we would be in the current situation of not being able to access this project easily in the mainstream.

              The other mad part is that the BBC worked with Philips to develop the Philips VP 415 Laserdisc player. It is the only player that can run the Doomsday project discs (no other Laserdisc players work with the discs), and the Doomsday project is the only project ever developed to run on this VP 415, so it was a very static hardware/software solution. This is the real reason why the Doomsday project was/is in real danger of being lost and unable to be accessed. It isn't just the computer program and platform being used to run it, but also a completely proprietary version of a laserdisc player.

              On that page it also mentions that the complete combined Doomsday project package, consisting of the Doomsday (Philips VP 415) Player, a BBC Master and the 2 LV Discs cost £4000 on release! And schools had to pay the full amount if they wanted one. My Junior school had one of these setups, and at the time I didn't realise the expense they had paid to obtain one. Had I known I would have tried to gain access to use it myself. I wonder what happened to it? I might contact my old school and ask them.

              I would love to try and work on creating a new version of this Project. With todays multimedia capabilities a feature rich project could easily be created.

              The first article also discusses a lot of interesting things regarding archiving of digital data in the modern age and the best way to go about it. Using open formats is concluded as being the direction to always take because such standards being open means that in the future the technical detail is always going to be available to access the data stored in an open format, even if programs to access it are no longer available, so a new program can easily be written.
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              =====================================
              C= Amiga: A4000T/PPC/060, | A1200 x2 | A600 x2 | A500 & Plus x6 | CD32
              Atari:
              520 STFM | 4160 STE | 2600 Woody || Nintendo: Wii | GCN | N64 + Everdrive | SNES + Everdrive | SNES Mini | GB | GBA | DS-XL
              Sega
              : Dreamcast | Megadrive + Everdrive || Microsoft: Xbox x2 | Xbox 360 Slim 250GB || Sony: PSX | PS2 | PS2slim | PS3 slim | PSP x2 | Vita

              PC:
              i7 4GHz, 32GB Ram, GTX 970, SSD | + many other PCs and Laptops ||Tablet: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 ||
              Phone: Samsung S20 5G
              Retro Handhelds: Retroid Pocket 2 | Anbernic RG351P

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              • #52
                GreyFox from the Retro Gamer forum has just posted up the Retro Reunited DVD on You Tube.
                You glimpse some of us looking knowledgeable in Part 2 at 1:17.

                DDGreyfox's Channel

                A few things in there I had forgotten about already!!

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                • #53
                  Awesome,

                  ya beat me to the postin' =D

                  for those of you that want to know what the retro-reunited was all about - check out greyfox's chan in r0jaws's post =D

                  (you can skip the singing and beatles rock band too... *wish i could of done lol*)
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                  • #54
                    Here's the part r0jaws was talking about... why do I get the feeling there's a caption contest in this picture somewhere......

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                    The future's so Retr0bright, I gotta wear shades.....

                    As rkauer said:-
                    "Retro computers seems like an orgasm: it is always better to have a real one than fake it".

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Merlin View Post
                      Here's the part r0jaws was talking about... why do I get the feeling there's a caption contest in this picture somewhere......
                      It's not Harrison in front of you guys?
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by r0jaws View Post
                        GreyFox from the Retro Gamer forum has just posted up the Retro Reunited DVD on You Tube.
                        You glimpse some of us looking knowledgeable in Part 2 at 1:17.

                        DDGreyfox's Channel

                        A few things in there I had forgotten about already!!
                        ROFL @ the Nigel Mansell bit on the Vid link.

                        Kin

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                        • #57
                          Who crept into the shot just after the picture I posted earlier.....
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                          The future's so Retr0bright, I gotta wear shades.....

                          As rkauer said:-
                          "Retro computers seems like an orgasm: it is always better to have a real one than fake it".

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