Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by madk71
Hi Pengo, yes a lot of cable or directly attached on the port (one cf2ide have external power and is female 40 pin and work very well).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengo
Which kickstart do you have? Have you attached something on the TF534? Which partition name you gave to all the CF?
Thank you
I got kickstart 40.63. The boot CF is named DH0 and DH1, the Second one DH2. Nothing but the IDE2SD Adaptor is attatched to the Tf534
Regards
Hi, I heard about that in the kickstart 3.1.4 some change on the autoconfig was made, I don't know if it is true, but at this point I have to find my old copy of 3.1 or 3.X and give it a try.
Because it seems the only difference between our configuration is just the KS.
Regards
Thats interesting. I am exited if that is the problem that makes the Buddha work with the tf.
As mentioned above - long rubbon cables may cause read/write issues as IDE isn't buffered. Please try to keep them as short as possible. Should really NOT exceed 30cm...
Sounds good. As far as my experience with the TF530 goes, I was using them with recapped A500s and brand new/adequate power supplies. After a few weeks of trying to narrow the crashing down, I gave up and sent them back. (I was using KS 1.3 & Workbench 1.3. I tested with and without the trapdoor memory installed.) I'm still not sure what the issue was. All signs pointed to an outdated firmware, but they insist it's up to date. :shrug:
Re DOMs: I only ask because my personal experience with industrial applications and the reliability of DOMs has been positive. I've had CF cards go bad on the Amiga. Does anyone here have experience using a 44pin female DOM with a converter on a 40 pin IDE port?
Re selling: Some communities insist on the seller asking permission beforehand on DIY items, so I figured I'd ask!
Having said that, I'm expressing interest in two 68EC020 TK cards :) Are the relocators necessary if I'm using a stock A500?
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Originally Posted by DjCookhaven't done something like this before.Quote:
Originally Posted by A1200_User
seems, You need a 40 to 44 pin adaptor to make it possible,
Sets usually offered by me - contain all parts needed to start using these accelerators (relocator, cf to IDE or SD to IDE, also preinstalled CF cards are available)
started to build Terrible Fire accelerators from first day these cards was available, hence i do have a lot of experience with them:Quote:
Originally Posted by A1200_User
First thing i recommend - is to get a proper power supply, many users are thinking that if stock system works nice with original (heavy) power supply - it SHOULD work with accelerator also. THIS IS WRONG! 2,5A is definitely NOT enough to run ANY acclerated amiga.
So get yourself 3A or better 4.5A PSU (doesn't matter is it original - should be recapped then) the thumb rule is - You need to have +4.9 - 4.95V in CPU socket while sistem is up and running.
there was an interesting bug on early firmware - card was running fine, though crashed as soon as You started Sysinfo. This was caused by crap Sysinfo design - it ignores No FPU flag and tries to detect it - this results to system crash, this was reported to Matthias, and new firmware was released with this issue fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by A1200_User
About combos - 68EC020 TK cards are designed differently to TF cards. Matthias is trying to make his cards compatible to wide range of different hardware, where Terrible Fire doesn't support A2000 officially, his cards are designed to be used on A500 mainly..
As about Kickstarts: 68EC020 TK has own boot rom (Oktagon/Oktapussy), this means all Kickstarts are supported, even Kickstart 1.2 is able to boot, however You need to understand wich file system You need to use, Kickstart 1.2 for example uses Old File System!
sure, why not!? This site is here for trade hardware You own.. I don't see any reasons why it isn't doable..Quote:
Originally Posted by A1200_User
regards,
- 8 Bit Dreams
Sorry DJCook, do you refer to the TF cable or the Buddha cable?Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Since TF5xx accelerators doesn't have their own boot ROM - these need a driver to be present in Kickstart to be able to operate IDE interface.Quote:
Originally Posted by A1200_User
This driver is called scsi.device and it sits in ROM (Kickstart). You SHOULD really know that Kickstart 1.3 DOESN'T HAVE IT, so You cant expect card to boot!
What You really need - is to start to read manuals or watch some Youtube videos (there are a LOT of them)!
Quick search gave me this, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yC2vx_fJy8&t=282s
So yeah.. Please learn basics BEFORE You spend Your money on DIY hardware, that will save You a lot of hassle.. :unsure:
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Both of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by madk71Sorry DJCook, do you refer to the TF cable or the Buddha cable?Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Ive sold assembled cards with short cable for a good reason.
for Buddha it's the same, if Your PSU isn't recapped, or is weak, You'll get Read/Write issues guaranteed
I know this already and I watched the video months ago -the behavior was after the patch, and I wasn't using a hard disk with those units. The TF units I received from the unnamed Amiga dealer were returned and now I'm looking at the 68EC020 cards. You're also assuming I haven't been using other Amiga models since '95. ;) I will go on record as saying that Amiga dealers really need to step up their game and mention the necessity of the patch in their product description, though.
Anyway, I'm still interested in the 68EC020 cards. Are the relocators necessary in the stock A500? The two units I'll be using are Rev 5 & Rev 6.
HI, Ok yes. I am using your cable and a sd2ide on the TF and I am using 15cm cable on the buddha. Buddha fails even with a cf2ide with female 40 pin connector (so 0 cm).Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
TF hasn't arrived yet. The ZZ9000 should be here soon too.
Hopefully I can have everything up and running by the weekend and I'll post my status as well.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfPlum
Too late:o
Viktor,
Confirming TF received today. Thank-you. I'll provide positive feedback shortly.
My setup:
Amiga 2000
AdRam memory card. 6/8Mb populated
Buddha IDE connected to an IDE to CF flash adapter (Ebay). using 4Gb CF card - I previously had a 120Gb SSD via an IDE to SATA adapter. I removed it.
ZZ9000 RTG
Gotek drive
System will not boot with AdRam memory card plugged in. Regardless of memory configuration 2/4/6Mb setting. Boots to yellow screen
Buddha IDE working fine.
ZZ900 detected by SysInfo. (This is what I'm mostly interested in). I have not yet tried the video output. I was told the scan doubler always works regardless of processor or RTG drivers.
The RAM card issue is not that important once Lukas writes the driver for the ZZ (it has 1Gb onboard ram).
Since I haven't touched an Amiga in 25(?) years, I have no idea how to transfer files to it.
I imagine I can somehow create adf files and place them on the gotek.
I need to install picasso and the ZZ drivers.
Hi Profplum, can I ask how the zz drivers comes? I think that the simplest way, if you have a gotek, is to use winuae , create an empty adf and put the files on it and use the adf in the gotek.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfPlum
About the memory Viktor is the only one that can help.
Can I ask you which Kickstart do you have?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by ProfPlum
I found an app called Total Commander. It allows modifying adf files. I started with a blank file and added to it as required.Quote:
Originally Posted by madk71
I have picasso and the zz drivers installed.
I tried picasso96 from aminet but no go. I had to purchase the newer one from Individual Computers.
From prefs, I can change screen mode to all zz supported modes.
I just haven't done it yet (It will switch to hdmi and i'll lose the screen) because the A2000 case is still open.
I need spacers for the gotek to mount it and need to add the lock screw to the zz.
I also need to install the new ZZ firmware and new drivers. Heading to work in an hour (early morning meeting). All will be done tomorrow.
As for kickstart, I purchased a cloanto dual boot rom 1.3/3.1. I am using it in 3.1 mode (it has a switcher). Purchased from Ebay.
I am aware there is now a 3.1.4. I need to purchase it. I am holding back a bit as I just heard a 3.2 will be released soon.
I remember GadgetUK had same issues with AdRam. Can You please provide a link to that card? Seems i can't find anything about...
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/adram2080Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Ok, will check,
For now i can say: cards that make proper automount - are wotking correctly, and cards that break automount chain (stop searching for zorro devices as soon as they get mounted) are not working, and that's issue of the respective card, not TF534..
Viktor,Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
If you happen to know which memory cards are known to work fine with the TF534 and A2000, let me know and I'll try to pick one up.
Update:
So I installed the video and ethernet drivers to the ZZ.
When I enable any ZZ RTG screen resolution, there is a mouse 'trail' and after 15 seconds or so, the computer hangs.
(But the display looked awesome for a while).
I tried removing and reinstalling the zz. There was no difference.
I believe the TF is interfering with it. I guess I will have to get a A2630 or something else and give it a try.
I had very same issue with TF534 and Matzes Picasso 2 graphic card clone. It turned out one bus driver was defective (or just too slow) after replacing it graphic card works good and there are no artefacts anymore..
Bus driver on the A2000? What's the IC? I'll give it a try. What revision motherboard were you testing with?Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Interested in A500 version , will send pm
Hi, if someone is interested, I have done some more tests about TF534 and buddhaide.
My config is an A2000 6.2 recapped with all the fix done, KS3.1.4 and AmigaOS3.1.4,GVP impact II 8MB with ide2scsi adapter and CF 16GB, gotek, Indivision ecs v2, tf534 with sd2ide and SD 32GB.
Because the ide on the TF, in my case, seems not 100% reliable, I tried to put a buddha ide into that configuration, but doesn't matter the zorro slot used or if I attach a real IDE hdd or CD or a very well working (on my A1200 or aca500plus) CF, the Buddha behave in a strange way making itself useless. Of course I tested the Buddha without the TF534 and it works great, and all the ide cables, when used, are not more than 25 cm. Because some other people seems to have the buddha working and the only difference with my configuration is just that they have the KS3.1, I decided to buy one and test it. Unfortunately, whit the KS3.1, the buddha ide works but not completely. The best that I aceived is that I can use only one port with only one device attached. The CF card worked fine, the dom was able to boot, but I can't have a master slave config on even a single ide port or 2 devices (one on the primary and one on the secondary). If I put an HDD or CF on one ide port and the dom on the other ide port, They works. If I put on one port an HDD or cf or anything else and on the other (because swapping the position of the ide device nothing chage) port another device or eve just the ide cable (this is the weirdest part), the amiga doesn't boot or if it boot it can find any device. SO, with the 3.1, for some reasons beyond my understanding, the buddha works at 30%.
I like to know the experience of the other people about that.
Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by madk71
I had the same issue. With the DOM in one port, a 120gb sata ssd on the second port (using an ide to sata converter), if the DOM is removed, the computer won't boot from the SSD (BTW, someone else has reported the same issue on the IC support thread)
I then replaced the ssd with a 4Gb CF card using an IDE to CF adapter (a few $ from ebay). I can remove the DOM. All works fine.
Can You guy's please try to run Your systems with caches disabled? The easiest way to try - is to close CDIS jumper near the CPU on the TF534 ( on some cards CDIS &MMUDIS jumpers are not populated since i thought these will never be used. In that case You need to solder a header in, and mount a jumper on it). Obe user said that GVP manual is saying if Agvp is in use with any accelerator caches need to be turned off, so we need to give it a try...
Hi, the problem is that even using a real hdd or a very good CF I got the same problem. It stuck or don't recognize the hdd or cf even if in the other port I plug just the ide cable without any devices attached. And I repeat, the Buddha works fine without the TF, just the GVP because I can't do anything with just 1MB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfPlum
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Hi Viktor, sorry for the silly question, that suggestion to disable the cache on the TF if because the GVP? If this is the case I can simply remove the GVP and redo all the tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Thanks
The RAM cards I cannot get working are the ZRAM-8 from irixlabs - in fact I couldn't get that RAM card working properly with an A2630 either, so the ZRAM being a new card doesn't appear to have been tested very well. So you can't blame the 534 for that.
I've not tried that AdRam card - the only other card I tried is a Supra 6MB (supports up to 8MB) but that wouldn't work either. Looking for some sort of of 8MB RAM board that will play ball - maybe a Kipper2K board to stick in the old CPU slot? Shame they don't seem to be manufactured any more =/ TF534 is great though!!! Love it! If I could just get another 4 or 8MB in here somehow it would be perfect for me.
Yes, Kipper2k card will definitely work - Stephen has one of them, he tested it and reported as working.
However there is an important detail: as soon You add 24bit memory it behaves like a handbrake for the system, it slows whole system down so there is no advantage of 030 cpu with this additional memory..
Thanks! To be fair, I don't think there are any none AGA games that need more than the 6MB I have anyway? So maybe there's little point in worrying about adding another 8MB.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Well.. to be fair, it is enough memory to run stock WHDLoad setup, however, if You plan to add RTG card like Picasso - it will cut 2MB away as it shadows it's memory there, then You will like to use a nice and shiny wallpaper - that will need some ram space also, and wishes will rise, trust me..
Sure, two years back it was a dream - to have 030 CPU, ide and some megs of ram, but now everyone likes to expand his Amiga to the maximum..so yeah.. there should be 6 - 8MB at least if You plan to use it with RTG and some extras...64MB will be perfect..
Ps
Thank You Gadget for updating this thread, will start to make a list with non working memory cards now..
Thanks Viktor but it made no difference for me. Computer boots to yellow screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
BTW, what is MMUDIS for ?
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You better believe it. More memory is always good. RTG eats it up alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Mmu dis disables the MMU (memory management unit) on the 68030 cpu.
Side note some issues here seem like they may be the power supply (the memory cards not working are another problem. Im talking about some of the disk issues). With everything in the system and powered on carefully check voltage at or near the cpu. They need to be at minimum 4.75. System under load will use more power. Voltage will dip during boot and during other intensive tasks. I had this problem with a 68030 50mhz gvp accelerator. System and drives became unstable when booting and sometimes boot but whdload crash. I found voltage dipping to 4.5v during load. I turned up the 5v rail in my power supply (a2000 with a converted atx power supply). Runs perfect. Power at cpu never goes below 4.8 now and stable. Check power at cpu while booting and during whdload startup to look for dips. Just trying to help. Tf534 works fine in my A2000 with buddah (buddah is anniversary edition), a2065 ethernet, a2091 with 2meg ram (ram disabled via switch). My motherboard is recapped too (like others posting) and is rev 6.2 with 8375 vbb ntsc agnus with the vbb pin fixes applied from the old commodore bulletin and of course new atx power supply conversion.
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Yes, indeed! thats the bare minimum, i recommend to check voltages right from the start, as this solves a lot of issues after system is built!
Hi, how to check the voltage on the TF? Or I can test it on the empty 68k socket?
Maybe a picture will help the less able (ME) to do that.
Thanks
https://i.stack.imgur.com/gfyMkl.png
Check pinout of 68000 cpu and do measurements between VCC and GND..
just check chip orientation, be sure You count from pin 1. Do it once system is on, and while system is booting...
I noticed the other day someone is selling Kipper2K memory clones on Tindie if that helps: https://www.tindie.com/products/sukk...tramexpansion/Quote:
Originally Posted by GadgetUK
Hopefully that doesn't violate any forum policies, I'm not affiliated with the seller, just something I came across when looking for Kipper2K info.
Hi Viktor, so even having the TF534 installed and running I can check the voltage using the 68K empty socket?
On the picture I can't see where is the orientation mark that usually are on all the chips. Is it between 32 and 33 or between 1 and 64?
Can I ask the min and max value for both 5V and 12V ?
Thanks
You can use empty 68k socket to do measurement on A2000.
Pin 1 - is right pin on the bottom, and Pin 64 is left one on the bottom.
So count up till pin 14 (VCC) skip one (pin 15 is CLK) and measure between Pin 14 and Pin 16. Measurement between pins 49 & 53 will provide You same voltage as these are connected to respective pins on the other side.
Do measurement while system loads from cf card. Voltage drop should be not lower than 4.7v ideally it should be 4.95
12V is not connected to CPU and doesn't play any role on system stability...
Hi Viktor, finally I had the time to test the CPU voltage and it never go lower than 4.83VQuote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Viktor, you are right. 64+ Mb would be great.
Consider the ZZ9000 on my A2000. The card itself requires 4 mb of Z II fast ram. So adding 8 MB is out of the question. You can add 4.
From that, P96 eats up quite a bit depending on screen mode.
For instance, 1280x1024 8 bit (I won't mention 16 or 32 bit color) will eat up another 1.4 mb - I am stating what's it doing on my setup.
I guess it may vary by video card. Or maybe not.
Thankfully Stephen added the memory as Z3 ram. And again, you are right. It's great for whdload.
Needless to say, when any of Stephen's new cards have been tested on an A2000, I'll take one !
Confirmed that I'm still interested; sent PM asking to confirm the correct payment amount I should send.
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Can you tell me what is the availability of one of these for an A1000 + a relocator board?
Tracking number was updated via PMQuote:
Originally Posted by gdunlapsd
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No reply from userQuote:
Originally Posted by DjCook
Trakian
last card is still available
Declaring interest in one TF534 with 50MHz oscillator + A500 relocator. I have cpu + fpu already. I will PM more details.
I too am interested in a card without CPU and FPU since I already have a 50MHz 030 and relevant FPU.
Declaring interest in one complete TF534 50 Mhz + A500 Relocator. If posible without CF adaport (i already have 3 of Them)