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Originally Posted by mjnurney
go for a 1D1 mate:nod:, 1D4s still need some fixes
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Originally Posted by mjnurney
go for a 1D1 mate:nod:, 1D4s still need some fixes
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Originally Posted by mjnurney
sorry i havent got a spare one also im having problems with one of my own motherboards(not the same problems as you though)
1d1 vote here =)
Now, mike, you need to ensure that you move the CLKEN resistor over, you will then need to ensure the card is set to 040 not 060 with the 060 set in... this means the memory wont be hammered with the brute end (ie. 66Mhz or more) from the Oscilator.
Infact... with it set that way you will get 66MHz clock to the CPU and 33Mhz fed to the memory - this is the whole reason an F74 was used on the card.
Unless you have exception SIMM memory, 70 and 80ns memories dont like being hammered much past 30Mhz - 33Mhz is just a tad too much torture.... you shoul try to find some 60ns or even the elusive 50ns (I have seen 40ns... but not on the open market - thanks to Compaq)
Anyway to know the unit is working, you only need the disk begging screen... all else after that is software or an alternate hardware issue... i.e. disk/CIA/PSU
I may have a 50Mhz Osc floating around .... if I get some time I shall pop it on the way to you.
just snagged a 1d1 motherboard , hopefully with me next week.. then fun time :-)
thats for the tips Keith , updates soon i hope.
mike.
I've done all the timing fixes on the 2b motherboard and actually made it worse :-) it won't boot the Apollo at all. not as 040 or 060 so i give up with it. the board is buggered anyway and I've wasted far too much time as it is. i have a 1d1 on order and winging its way to me.
i may take the timing fixes off the mobo and meet the resisters at least. you never know..
Update - working with 2B timing fixes now.
http://youtu.be/dKpsmGLGz68
Good job, can you explain your last fixing ?
hi
my playing about today consist of..
putting the Apollo back to 68040 - thinking id broke something ..but i haven't
completing all the timing fixes for the 2B board as per the guide
but
the 2b would not boot with the apollo in 060/040 so i removed the jump wire
tried again - no boot just black screen.(clock port)
Clockport to Paula wire link (REV 2B only)
then i noticed that a capacitor was missing , so i looked harder and found a resistor was missing..
i replaced the capacitor and cleaned the board with ipa again and it booted. i had by this time left the apollo in 040 spec .
since then i have set the card to 060 spec and i crashes WB as you would expect but now I'm going for a shower and then a few beers.
I've also moved CLKEN resistor over on the Apollo , i would not boot at all yesterday when i did this but it does now.
the timing fix guide i followed.
http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/am..._mobo_fix.html
Consclusion:
duff motherboard / cap problems and even possible psu problems but my upgrading of the 040 to 060 spec has worked from what i can tell - brief boot in to WB yesterday.
beer calls.
nice one mate :thumbsup:
In all the excitement (Shower & Beer included) did you install the specific 060 Libs?Quote:
Originally Posted by mjnurney
Running 060's on 040 Libs is crash-city in all instances. :ninja:
Yes but the motherboard is crashing all the time and now refuses to boot with or without Apollo..
I'm going to shoot it and giving it a Viking funeral.
It seems fitting. :-)
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Originally Posted by mjnurney
LOL!
There are several Norwegians on this site. Maybe they can give you some tips. :lol:
hi thereQuote:
Originally Posted by mjnurney
you have forgot something , when you wil change the apollo 040 to a 060 you need a little print onto your apollo , the 040 use 5volt and the 060 need 3,3 volt , you need a little print thats turn the 5volt to 3.3volt for the 060 cpu , then the apollo must works
hi , you mean the voltage regulator i think ? yes its fitted and working. its the Amiga 1200 that has problems not the Apollo :-)
aha ok , and what are the rev of the mainboard 1a , 1b, 2b, 1d.1 1d.4Quote:
Originally Posted by mjnurney
some board's need a timer fix for a turbo card
Amiga-Digital, its a 2b motherboard that's in a bad state if you have read back through the pages.
MJ has already tried timing fixes, which i believe he said made it worse. Due to how badly the mainboard is damaged he has ordered a replacement 1d1 board.
hmmmm 1d.1 , 1d.4 are a little bit beter for a 060 board , and also the 1A but thats hard to find , on the 1A board there run's any turbo great on itQuote:
Originally Posted by scrappysphinx
Thank you for also confirming my feelings about this. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Amiga-Digitalhmmmm 1d.1 , 1d.4 are a little bit beter for a 060 board , and also the 1A but thats hard to find , on the 1A board there run's any turbo great on itQuote:
Originally Posted by scrappysphinx
With your experiences, would you say that any 060 Libs other than the Apollo Install Disk work stable on 1D4?
From what I saw, it has to be the Apollo Install Libs or crashy crashy, even with a 1D4 mobo.
have you tried the libs that Justin / johnim sent me? they work just fine as far as i can tell :-)
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=26791
On which version of A1200 Mobo pls?Quote:
Originally Posted by mjnurney
I'm using a very poor 2B motherboard but soon hopefully by mid week a 1D1
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Originally Posted by mjnurney
But Justin's 2B Mobo worked with Apollo 060 & then didn't?? :blink:
As a matter of interest, does anyone reading this thread have a genuine Apollo Intall disk they can upload??
It would save a huge pile of hassle all round, because different Libs on different Mobo-CPU card combos can make really big differences.
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Originally Posted by mjnurney
if its any use to anyone the libs also work with the 040 card as well, because the libs just passed on the calls to the 060 through the 040 libs.
and the cpu60 command also tells you have a 040 at startup,if one is present.
i found this out when i converted a card the once and had to put the 040 back in when i found i had a doa cpu.
yes i know its boring:lol:
Roy I've just found the same thing.
the CPU60 call brings up - Apollo 060 not found / no Apollo card present but it boots to WB just fine and carries on as normal.
WB still shows AGA 040
the speed is good and game splay just fine
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Originally Posted by D.BQuote:
Originally Posted by mjnurney
But Justin's 2B Mobo worked with Apollo 060 & then didn't?? :blink:
As a matter of interest, does anyone reading this thread have a genuine Apollo Intall disk they can upload??
It would save a huge pile of hassle all round, because different Libs on different Mobo-CPU card combos can make really big differences.
i used to have one years ago,but you dont really need it it can be found on the net.(theres a link to it in the big book of amiga hardware)
the only problem is the origanal install disk actually worked,by that i mean it had an instalation scypt on the disk that installed the libs and cpu60 command for you (this can be fixed though as i did do it once)
altough its not a big deal you just drag and drop the files to where they need to be and addd a line to you startup.
this can be proven by un dms'ing the disk and if you "show all" the install icon is there but not the icon thats visable to click on normally if you see what i mean(the one that has the icon info)of which there is a few missing because there was a least three and a another for the scsi.
also if you boot the amiga with the install disk and the apollo040/060 in the machine it did not crash(the disk was bootable)this was so you could install the files to harddrive with minimal hassle apparantly.
The Apollo disk is in installer heaven or Amiga hardware (google search)
they are either DMS or ADF i forget which but if you use the link i gave above, you can download just ins/john zip and copy the files to libs and and c:cpu60 b to the startup sequence as mentioned,
these libs work much better than the Apollo ones i used years ago.
http://www.l8r.net/install/accel.html
(MODS ...is this link ok? driver disks not game ADF's)
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Originally Posted by roy_batesQuote:
Originally Posted by D.BQuote:
Originally Posted by mjnurney
But Justin's 2B Mobo worked with Apollo 060 & then didn't?? :blink:
As a matter of interest, does anyone reading this thread have a genuine Apollo Intall disk they can upload??
It would save a huge pile of hassle all round, because different Libs on different Mobo-CPU card combos can make really big differences.
i used to have one years ago,but you dont really need it it can be found on the net.
the only problem is the origanal install disk actually worked,by that i mean it had an instalation scypt on the disk that installed the libs and cpu60 command for you (this can be fixed though as i did do it once)
altough its not a big deal you just drag and drop the files to where they need to be and addd a line to you startup.
Sure, but it's the Version of 060 Libs that is important. There are shed loads to choose from.
From what I saw with Apollo 060, 1D4 Mobo with Apollo Install Libs or no dice. 1D1 & 2B Mobos were different faults on 3.1ROM's
1D1 was crashing randomly, 2B was dead from Cold Boot. With Apollo Install Libs or any other flavour you like.
1D4 with Install Libs... Rock Solid even with Mediator.
1D4 with any other flavour you like Libs, was crash-city, more so with Mediator.
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Originally Posted by D.BQuote:
Originally Posted by roy_batesQuote:
Originally Posted by D.B
i used to have one years ago,but you dont really need it it can be found on the net.
the only problem is the origanal install disk actually worked,by that i mean it had an instalation scypt on the disk that installed the libs and cpu60 command for you (this can be fixed though as i did do it once)
altough its not a big deal you just drag and drop the files to where they need to be and addd a line to you startup.
Sure, but it's the Version of 060 Libs that is important. There are shed loads to choose from.
From what I saw with Apollo 060, 1D4 Mobo with Apollo Install Libs or no dice. 1D1 & 2B Mobos were different faults on 3.1ROM's
1D1 was crashing randomly, 2B was dead from Cold Boot. With Apollo Install Libs or any other flavour you like.
1D4 with Install Libs... Rock Solid even with Mediator.
1D4 with any other flavour you like Libs, was crash-city, more so with Mediator.
sorry,apollos should be fine on 1D1's and below,i use mine on 1A,1B,and 1D4 with timing fixes.
the apollos should only be used with the apollo libs as you say the version of the libs is..................60.10 for the 060 lib and the bog standard commodore 040 lib for an 040 card which i think was about 38k in size:)
i would suggest not using the phase 5 libs with these cards there not really compatible,they might work for a bit but trust me you would be asking for a whole world of problems,it would be crash tastic.
I still hold reservation on the 1D4 affair but agree entirely with Timing fixes being in place, but I thank you personally for confirming the Libs thingy & the Version Number.Quote:
Originally Posted by roy_batesQuote:
Originally Posted by D.BQuote:
Originally Posted by roy_bates
Sure, but it's the Version of 060 Libs that is important. There are shed loads to choose from.
From what I saw with Apollo 060, 1D4 Mobo with Apollo Install Libs or no dice. 1D1 & 2B Mobos were different faults on 3.1ROM's
1D1 was crashing randomly, 2B was dead from Cold Boot. With Apollo Install Libs or any other flavour you like.
1D4 with Install Libs... Rock Solid even with Mediator.
1D4 with any other flavour you like Libs, was crash-city, more so with Mediator.
sorry,apollos should be fine on 1D1's and below,i use mine on 1A,1B,and 1D4 with timing fixes.
the apollos should only be used with the apollo libs as you say the version of the libs is..................60.10 for the 060 lib and the bog standard commodore 040 lib for an 040 card which i think was about 38k in size:)
Apollo Users take note. :thumbsup:
without going on too much i have also found that the timing problem between motherboards gets worse the faster the card is,i.e: when overclocking them.
stabality becomes a nightmare on motherboards later than 1D1's.
random crashes,card not showing in the sytem,system failure's etc gives the card a bad name.(i admit the card does have its faults but a big percentage is down to how to set it up with the right motherboard and libs combo)
with the right motherboard and the right libs and setup these cards are rock solid.
my 2B 'loses' the apollo from time to time but mostly doesn't boot at all with the apollo in it , then again it doesn't boot withe Apollo not plugged in either :-)
with card set to 040 it usually finds it. with the card set to 060, it rarely finds it or crashes when it does. occasionally it will boot to WB.
my 2B is the newest mobo I've ever used and I'm not impressed , i used to have a 1b i think and had no issues other that libs being a pain..
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Originally Posted by mjnurney
i had one 2B once,and ive got to say this i would never ever have one again.
there just terrible theres parts missing all over it the floppy dident work properly,pure crap tbh,only good for parts to keep the earlier ones alive;)
once my (new to me) 1D1 arrives i will dispose of this by machine gun and fire oh damn i can't I've already sold it oh well..
i'll have to sort out a capacitor pack and replace them on the board, i'll have look what i need.
mike.
To bring this thread up to date a little..
The Apollo has been a constant royal pain in the ass but light is at the end of the tunnel.
It seems I have been supplied with a 68060 rom which is for
A full fpu/mmu spec card and as I am running an ec @ 75mhz im having a few problems. The Libs and code is incorrect ( I'm told. ) so dear reader tomorrow's project is to dump the firmware on the boot rom and burn a spanky new rom and everything will be wonderful.
Well that's the plan.
Mike.
erm.... mike.... there is only one Apollo 060 ROM... its MMU / FPU agnostic
you might have a corrupt ROM or ROM file however.
the biggest issue at the moment is getting a propper working board, as each apollo has .... shall we ecentricies to work with.
remember...
1. Change the CLKEN jumper (this reduces the hard clock via the F74 to the RAM)
2. Use good 60ns or 50ns FPM RAM if you can find it.
3. Change the Jumper to 040 even when you have the 060 (again this is the memory timing nothing to do with the CPU)
4. Ensure you have a GOOD power supply
but this will be for nought my friend on an unreliable board.
just seems strange that one Apollo board works just fine (50 MHz) and my Apollo doesn't and mine has a EPROM boot rom.
The CPU when in the good Apollo works just fine but in mine it's no go - freezing and total fail at wb screen. Either way a fresh rom code won't hurt. I have no idea what version it is and your right I can see no mention of different rom code for ec / mc / lc or any other.
It's just what the rom supplier said. It will not work on ec CPUs ..
I'll burn a new rom tomorrow :-)
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Psu is 500 watt , clkgen moved as requested. Ram works fine in the other card and as a 68040 setup too.
The only discrepancy I can see is the rom from one card to another
@mike
Ensure that the ROM you are programming is 120ns or faster.
arguably it could be a blerged / garbled rom with dead or defunct cells.
I think I have a fast spare I can program for you (yours for gratis) hit me up on PM
I'll reuse the one that's In. Not sure until I peel the sticker off tho
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From the rom seller:
Please note, the firmware rom is a copy from a 1260 card with a 68060RC50 cpu that has both FPU and MMU. It will not work with EC cpu:s and propably not cpu:s w/o MMU either! (The 75 Mhz EC version of the Apollo 1260 has different libs and firmware) It should however work with a 040 cpu also.
*
Regards,
Per-Gunnar
Well this is fascinating
Now I know Per-Gunnar is pretty much up on his Apollo's.... infact the guy is a bit of a legend around them to be honest...
but this is the first I have ever heard of an EC vairient of the ROM code... as far as I know there is no known difference in ROM.
One could ask Jens at Individual if this is the case, since he owns the rights to the Apollo brand of adapters from ACT.
I suppose the quickest way is just to swap the rom , I'll dump the rom contents and see what version it is...
recently i have buy a 1240 with mach130, with rom for 68060, with sockets for 68060 and i only need change cpu, mach131 and add a 3,3 volt regulator from my 12060 broken, and when boot from floppy are ok, from hd i need install 68060 library
if you need test i am on-line
main 1B
hi
that's very kind , I should be okay now. I have a new rom code and hopefully a new cpu coming too
thank you
i can test on 2b and other
my 68060 is xc68ec060 at 60 and i use the xtal 80 with jumper on 040, wichamiga report 80mhz not 40 and sysinfo crash
now go to read the version of the eprom and model
okay todays update:
my 1D1 motherboard has arrived, carried by a troop of angels in a golden carriage.:-)
well royal mail but near enough.
first inspection of the board - its beautiful , no bits missing or broke :-)
okay test time - boot instantly with or without the Apollo in it (which is good)
boots to classicADV WB but crashes... ive changed the cpu60 B to CPU60 F in the start up seq and its good to go!
fast booting and speedy in WB ....a joy to use.
now, dare I put the 68ec60 in my Apollo … ahhhhh
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my Apollo locks up on the 68LC060 info screen but the other Apollo doesn't get this - so time to burn a new rom.
cpu B and cpu F?
only for info, the eprom on my elbox apollo1240/1260 are a Intel d27c010-200v10 and are printed 60/561
sadly i don't know the rom version on my Apollo - it has no ID.
yes
CPU60 B and then CPU60 F (when its set to B it locks up sometimes)
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Hi again,
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Btw,.. The Apollo 1260 75Mhz version has a LC cpu (with MMU but no FPU)? but if you have a ?75 Mhz version-eprom? and it works with your EC cpu (lacks both MMU and FPU) then it should be ok i guess. However, i remember i tested several EC cpu:s? a long time ago and i had lots of troubles with them (crashes). Since then i only use cpu:s that has both MMU and FPU..the ec is not good with this firmware or libs
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Regards,
Per-Gunnar
have you got cpu60 before setpatch?
im assuming you use the same harddrive for both cards,try cpu60 w and set the caches after it boots,if it boots of course
also DONT use remapollo with your cpu mike remapollo requires an mmu.
without looking I'm not sure but i think cpu60 is before set patch
if you want to have cpu60 output status of the cpu,
try C:CPU60
thats it nothing after the cpu60 command,worth a try i suppose
or try C:CPU60 NF
so it cant use the non existent mmu
what am i talking about,you already know its the rom:doh: i think i need a coffee
now use on my 2b and work fine from floppy, now install 060 library on cf