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All this talk about PS3s has got me thinking about my daughters PS3.
She's been told that she can't play PS2 games on the newest PS3.
She's tried them and yes most of them won't work.
Now knowing all our techies on here I said I would ask the knowledgable ones and see if there was any way to play all PS2 games on a PS3 console.
So it's now over to you guys :bowdown: after all if we can downgrade a Miggy surely we can downgrade a PS3 :thumbsup: to a PS2
Dave G :cool:
AFAIK:
1st generation PS3's actually had the ps2 hardware integrated, thus achieving very high rates in succesfull playing PS2 games.
later generation had a semi-hardware - semi-software approach to the matter, compatibillity was low...
and the last generations do not support ps2 games at all ...
The first generation "PAL" PS3 has hardware for PS1 compatibility but only part hardware/part software emulation for PS2 compatibility (only with PAL 60gb model)... that is why quite a few PS2 games had issues when run on a 1st gen PAL PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by keropi
Only the 1st gen NTSC model had full PS2 hardware support.... which sucks for Europe :thumbsdown: but now it sucks for everyone as PS2 support has been ditched for all current models :nuts:
I consider myself lucky, cause I have the 1st generation of PS3 (well, I bought it actually on PS3 first-launch-day back in March 2006 if I remember correctly), that has full compatibility of PS1 and PS2 games. The odd thing, is that I never had the opportunity to play a PS2 game anymore. If you have PS3... :roll:
@Phantom
But if we have PS3 Xboxs etc why do we play Miggy games??
Nostalga :thumbsup:
Or in my daughters case - too hard up to buy many new games when she has a load of old games on the shelf to play with :)
@All Thanks for the replies - It looks like she is well and truly out of luck :thumbsdown:
Dave G :cool:
Hi guys, i've had my 60Gb PS3 since its launch date and i've never had a problem playing any PS1 or PS2 games.
In fact i only own around 5 or 6 PS3 games and the rest of my library are PS1 & PS2.
Great HD graphics is one thing but to be honest i havent found many PS3 games that have hooked me, apart from my FIFA series of course.
As far as playing PS1 & PS2 on the newer machines i read an article on the Sony website that said they are looking at trialing making PS2 games available via the Playstation Network, similar to the PSOne Classics.
Apparently this will be trialed in Japan and US way before Europe lol
@ davideo
Amiga is another matter. It has gameplay almost in every game. Now the new games are only graphics and sound.
This is the actual fact of the matter with regard to being able to play PS1 & PS2 games on a PS3.
In order to do so, you require a PS3 Model with a 60GB or less hard drive. All these models of PS3 included the Emotion Chip. All PS3 models with 80GB drives & upwards did not ship with the Emotion Chip & consequently, will not be backward compatible with PS1 & 2 games. :thumbsup:
Game over.
Kin
Of PAL PS3:s, only the 60 GB and in some areas the 20 GB version have the PS2 support. The following 40 GB version ditched the PS2 support while still maintaining support for PS1 titles. Don't know if the 80 GB or the slim still has PS1 support, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Not applicable in the UK. Exactly as I said earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by protek
Kin
Sorry Kinnie,
Your info is a little out there my good friend, theres a lot of blurb on the net about what is compatible on the PS3 unfortunately if you google it, you will find some down right talking b0ll0x0rz too.
@thread
Now the PSX/PS1 never had an emotion chip. PS1/PSX titles are emulated on the PS2 and are compatible by the native emulation on the PS3 also. As with the the PS2 there are some games that have problems with the memory card, most notably is FFVII, if you use anthing other than an PSX memorycard it wont be able to read or save data, I will point out it corupeted my save data (lucky for me I have a backup save OCD).
Only the PS2 games required the Emotion Engine Hardware, which is a highly modified RISC processor. It implements the MIPS-III instruction set architecture (ISA) and much of MIPS-IV in addition to a custom 128-bit single instruction multiple data (SIMD) instruction set developed by Sony/Toshiba.
As hardcore as it sounds its easier to emultate than a PowerVR chipset (think Dreamcast) as such you can play PS2 Games on the PC =D
Before getting the PS3 for chrimbo, I did infact wrestle with the do i get the 60GB PS2 compatible version?! .... then though... I have a PS2.... with a harddrive.... why would I want to pay more for an older (pre-used) model that is infact defective (YLOD) by design? (even if Sony wont admit it)
I have a PS2 with hardrive, its both Hard-Hacked with a Modbo760 modchip and the McBoot exploit, the latter is not needed and I can load to a Nix OS to then load any oy my programs. at the moment its set to load direct to HDLoader 0.8c
Also the PS3 will also convert PSX games for use with you PSP, if memory serves me, I have a PS3 here at the house (its the house christmas present) so I will let you know how I get on with the later =)
so, all PS3 will play PSX games via native emulation, however unless you have a specific model (60GB version) you wont be able to play PS2 games.
HOWEVER, you could install linux on your PS3 and then run a PSX/PS2 emulator from there =D
@ZeetsQuote:
Originally Posted by Zetr0
That's the sort of thing I was hoping for. That sounds like I should be hunting information down on this over the weekend.
@All
Thanks for the answers. Beginning to get interesting ;)
Dave G :cool:
It would be nicer to install AmigaOS 4.x in some years. :roll:
@ Zetr0
I won't argue with your Wisdom Zetr0, but without the Emotion Chip in a PS3, you will not be able to play PS1 & PS2 titles via hardware. The Emotion chip was the main feature giving backward compatibility without the need for Emulation. As far as I grappled with all the blurb on the Net, it's all I could get from the mayhem. :shrug:
The Emotion Engine first appeared on the PS2 enabling greater things over PS1 & a kind of Hardware Emulation for backward compatibility as well. RE: the UK Emotion Chipped PS3's, the 80GB series of PS3 onwards did not ship with the Emotion chip. I dare say some 60GB versions slipped in there too, but afaik, that was Sony's roadmap leading to the new slimline PS3 we have today without the Emotion Chip being employed.
& you're dead right RE the YLOD affair & the blocky graphics. Why bother.
Kin
We wrestled with this last Christmas, since my brother was after a PS3, and we wanted to try and get him one with PS2 compatibility, but there were none in the shops. Looking on the evilbay, it seemed that a PS2-compatible PS3 was going to cost £150 more, at which point it was cheaper to buy a new PS3 and slimline PS2 as well! It'd be nice to have it all in one box, but you might find it's more-economical to just buy a PS2 for your PS2 gaming needs. :-)
Thanks for the info m8. Just to know when the time to sell my PS3 will come, to set the price accordingly. :D
D*mn it! You'll get me in trouble for price-driving now! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Phantom
Not yet my friend. I'll let you know. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyLandyD*mn it! You'll get me in trouble for price-driving now! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Phantom
@ AndyLandy
The older compatible PS3's are fetching better prices than a new PS3 on the other Bay, but as Zetr0 said earlier, what's the point to run the risk of the YLOD thing.
I've wrestled with this myself & gave up on PS2 with Hard Drive & ModChip, just because the PS2 graphics look crap on the Pioneer Plasma. No point for backward compatibility really. Just get an earlier model of PS2 or PS1.
Kin
@Kinnie
I love you m8 I really do, but in the manual it states that you can play PS1 games NOT PS2.
The Emotion Engine is (modded MIPS processor) has nothing to do with emulation of PS1 software this is done in what is essentiall software derived from firmware with draw-libraries also from firmware (much like the PSP)
The Emotion Engine is needed only for PS2 emulation. To be honest thought, with an unlocked CELL CPU running at 3.2Ghz I believe it could emulate it, my 2.4GHz x86 Dev Server can do it..
Now, It is best to note that the PS1 games are REGION LOCKED, so you will be Limmited in that way, I am also under the belief that attempting to run ISO's from the harddrive will be locked out by the HyperVisor.
ALSO its best noted that the New PS3-Slim, Has had the "OtherOS" feature removed, as such you cannot yun Yellow Dog Linux or any Linux for that matter.
Although all PS3 phat models will retain this feature and continued support with the Firmware updates.
So if you wanna run YDL *nix on a PS3 then get an 80GB version (less YLOD failure rates than the 60's) and upgrade the HDD (its user upgradeable, a 250GB HDD) wont cost much more than £60
I have to admit Kinnie, you had me doubting my self there!!!
I had a long hard google and then a search on the web page and have a ink to CNet News PS3 Info
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Originally Posted by CNET NEWS
I believe that there is an *incompatability* list I will have a lookie =D
Well heres my 2 cents worth.
I don't know anything about the internal workings but i do know i have never come accross a problem with any ps1 or ps2 game i've thrown at my 60Gb Ps3, including Final Fantasy VII which works perfectly via my discs and the PS store download.
The only thing i do know is that i read on sony news there was talk of making ps2 titles available via the Playstation Store just like the already available ps1 classics.
The other thing i know is that the titles from the Playstation store are NOT REGION LOCKED.
I know this because i have download both PS1 and PS3 games from both the UK & US PS stores and all are working perfectly on my machine.
Mike
Yes Mike, because your PS3 being the 60GB model had the Emotion Chip on the PS3 Mainboard. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by scrappysphinx
The 80GB Models upwards either do not, or it was disabled? The Slim PS3 does not have it on the PCB afaik. I've tried everywhere to find this info & for the life in me, got fed up of ending up in dead end bs forum threads. I even tried to find a reference list to the PS3 model number changes in order to determine just what was what. I'm pretty crap @ searching some stuff like this, so I'm looking forward to Zeets perhaps picking some other notes up. Good luck bud. :thumbsup:
@ Zetr0
Yeah m8, the Slim PS3 wont do PS2 Titles, because it does not have an Emotion Chip on it's PCB. It will do PS1 games, because PS1 games were not written to use the Emotion Chip. This Emotion chip first appeared on PS2's, early PS3's upto what model number?; - & got totally axed on the new Slim PS3.
Kin
Slight correction to that info.
Only the Jap and US versions of the original 60GB PS3 contained the hardware emotion engine processor for PS2 compatibility. This chip is not present in any EU PS3's regardless of the version. Instead PS2 support is completely performed on EU PS3's through software emulation.
Why was this the case? The original emotion engine equipped PS3s actually had some compatibility issues with PS2 games, whereas the later thinking for the EU version was that making it completely software based would allow for updates to be included with newer firmware revisions to fix PS2 game compatibility.
It is a bit strange therefore that after making the PS2 compatibility completely software based that is was then ditched for the PS3 slim.
don't manufacturers ditch old software support in order to allow new ways forward without the old stuff bogging it down?
So as said earlier in the thread it looks like the easiest way to make this work with the newer PS3s is to buy a PS2 and play them on it.
Dave G :cool:
I tried a couple of PS2 games on my 60GB PS3 and they run smoothly.
A PS2 Slim is small enough that it doesn't use up much room and offers full PS2 compatibility. ;)
In the near future, we will have PS4, why bother with PS2 games then? Stick with Amiga m8s. :drinkin:
It's a proper can of lol-ness all round, but then as most folk know, Sony always happily pedaled in their own cr4p. :nod:
Kin
Personally I've been quite impressed with Sony and their games systems. If you consider the number of firmware updates released over the years for both the PSP and PS3, which are not just to stop hacking of the system exploits, but to actually add real useful new features, it is quite impressive. The difference between the original PSP 1.5 firmware and the current one for example is miles apart and nearly a completely different OS.
However with the PS3 slim removing the support for second OS installation, and the removal of PS2 compatibility it is a backwards step for enthusiasts, locking the system down into a specific PS3 only device now.
I can understand the removal of the second OS support as I think hackers were getting close to using it to software hack the PS3 to run backups. For that reason, in the current times of recession, you can understand Sony's logic here. They are not doing well financially as is evident from one of their film studios, MGM, having just gone bankrupt.
But I can't see a reason for the removal of PS2 support. Unless it was held in the firmware and they needed to free space for other features? Not sure.
Look (as we use to say here). What you pay is what you get (in almost all circumstances). So I paid 660 euros back then (PS3 launch date, March 2006), and now the price is about 300-350 euros for the new PS3. Therefore, the difference in the price tag represents what is missing from the new PS3, but also that the prices of electronics/technology-related in general dropping down day by day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrison
Console price reductions over time are more to do with redesigning the components, moving to different methods of fabrication and combining chips into single chip solutions, making the manufacturing costs cheaper, and also the hardware more reliable, so less money is lost through returns. It has happened with every console in the last few generations.
The most amazing evolution for me was the PS2 slim. I couldn't believe how small that was compared to the original PS2 Phat system.
because people playing thier old ps2 games doesn't make any money, new console kerching! new games that will only run on said new console, kerching! and what's just round the corner? oh yeah the ps4 KERCHING!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrison
That would be awesome, if we will see it some day: (sorry for the link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmtDAVM-3A
Actually thinking about it, I think it has everything to do with the soon to be launched system to release PS2 games in their download service. If users could just use their old discs, or buy them second hand they they wouldn't need to pay for them again! ;)
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Originally Posted by Harrison
oh they'll pay, believe me they'll pay with thier souls...............
Better than selling their souls to M$ though!
Now you are talking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrison
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Originally Posted by Harrison
funny, i thought you ran windows?
I do. However unlike the 360 I don't have to pay a monthly subscription to unlock the ability to use the internet access built in, or line their pockets from the royalties they get from every game sale.
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Originally Posted by Harrison
maybe so, but you do use ms products and pay for them?
I know you are referring to Harrison, but the only ms product that I've paid for it is the OS (well, it was OEM anyway). All the others are just copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuvUKQuote:
Originally Posted by Harrison
maybe so, but you do use ms products and pay for them?
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Originally Posted by PhantomI know you are referring to Harrison, but the only ms product that I've paid for it is the OS (well, it was OEM anyway). All the others are just copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuvUKQuote:
Originally Posted by Harrison
maybe so, but you do use ms products and pay for them?
copies?
Copies.
@davideo
PS1 emulation has been present in all PS3 models. Including the PS3 slim. That's why you can buy PS1 games online and play them on the PS3 thorught the Sony PS store.
PS2 emulation was hardware on first gen NTSC consoles, and software on first gen PAL ones.
Then it was dropped, not as a cost cutting meassure, but to boost sales of PS3 games.
@davideo & thread
List of games on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...yStation_games
Status checker on US PS site:
http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus
User has compiled a list:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...ead.id=2540772
Not all PS1 games are compatible... there used to be a list like that on the UK website and there were loads with 'minor issues' and some with 'major'... it was some pretty big games as well (Tomb Raider, Tekken 3 etc) which put me off the PS3 straight away. I loved the fact that the PS2 plays PS1 games (and uses the memory cards, controllers etc) and still probably use it just as much to play PS1 games as PS2. If the PS3 was a real PlayStation, I would have one or would certainly get one at some point... now I'm not sure. If I need to keep my PS2 set up, I can have anything.
I'm sure the real reason for getting rid of the backward compatibility IS so they can charge you to download old games after seeing the success of the Xbox Live Arcade... why would people pay to download when they can get the original disc second hand (with no money going to developers) for less? I think they've made a big mistake though. Maybe it makes short term financial sense (like Gamestation ditching retro when Game took over:mad:) but it wipes out one of the major selling points of sticking with Sony.
btw I do find it bizarre that on a retro-based site like this, people still say things like 'why bother with PS2 when the graphics are better on a PS3?' :Doh:).
Hi retro_junkie,Quote:
Originally Posted by retro_junkie
In my experience the psone games available from the ps store are generally cheaper than the actual discs from ebay or local gamestation.
Take for example my Final Fantasy VII discs, when purchased they cost me around £15 for a used set with minor scratches from ebay, however i have now purchased the same game from the PS store for £7.99 and can guarantee scratches will never be a problem.
My Abe's Oddysee and Abe's Exodues cost me nearly £30 for the two from gamestation and both have scratches that make the video jumpy so when those become available i'll be sure to purchase those, although they are already available from the US store at $9.99 each so i may take that option :whistle:.
Mike
Very good observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by retro_junkie
I'm with you on this one. I collect RPGs and a large majority of the best were released on the PS1 and PS2. The PS1 alone had around 70 great titles in that genre, and the PS2 continued this with even more. Check out the PS2 list of RPGs we created on CA here.
I don't play RPGs for the graphics. Sure it adds to the immersion of the story, but for me the gameplay and storytelling are the most important thing to draw you in and keep you there. And most of the PS1 RPGs are still as good now as they were at release.
And I am replaying the best ones by converting them to run on the PSP. It is amazing how good PS1 games still look when shrunk down to a small screen. Same goes for games from most older platforms. SNES and Amiga games also look great on the PSP and it breaths completely new life into them.
And I don't get the dated graphics comments about PS2 games. Many of the last wave of games for the system looked very nice. Games like FF12 and Rogue Galaxy still look great in my view.
But, then, there have always been those superficial gamers who can't see beyond the visuals of a game to the real content, gameplay and narrative.
PS2 considered as a retro machine? Oh. C'mon...