Hi all,
do you guys think an Atom 1.6ghz cpu will play nicely with winuae?
cheers, Justin
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Hi all,
do you guys think an Atom 1.6ghz cpu will play nicely with winuae?
cheers, Justin
I think that for a ECS system emulation it will be ok (depends of the winuae version). For AGA hmmm hard to say...
PS. Of course if we are taking about a Windows booting machine... :)
Yeah, it's fine. I use WinUAE on my Netbook and it rox, I have it setup with a Classic Workbench P96 (so virtual RTG) and it really flies.
Would you like a Video sir?
that would be excellent :) thanks Steve:thumbsup:
@fitz. Hmmm i don't think that an atom 1.6 can handle the new winuae 2.6.0 with AGA 68040 or 68060 with MMU and FPU but I can be wrong.
Make sure you're not using the built in intel gfx... It's total pants - at least on my D510 it is.
Look for one with an nvidia gfx chipset built in.
Which atom are you looking at anyway?
And why an atom? If it's to keep size down, you can get miniITX boards that take better cpus. If it's just for low power and heat, then an atom is a good choice.
it is a D410 and it is about price (as always) cheap as i can go but still able to run winuae:)
will be looking for a low profile PCI gfx solution (if there is such a thing:lol:)
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Originally Posted by Chinners
Um. I'd possibly reconsider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justinit is a D410 and it is about price (as always) cheap as i can go but still able to run winuae:)
will be looking for a low profile PCI gfx solution (if there is such a thing:lol:)
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Originally Posted by Chinners
I tried a PCI solution in my Atom - it just plain didn't work. I gave up in the end. Every thing from bios splash screen to windows (when it started) was really slow. The Intel GFX Chipset also refused to hand back it's shared memory. I just gave up in the end. (I tried an nvidia 5200 and ati 9200 pci)
Again, I was using a 510, which is dualcore multi thread - you may have more joy with the single core multithread 410.
As a side-line, does winuae support multi processor systems?
I'm uploading a quick Video for you now, I have some issues with sound, I need to figure that out lol otherwise it runs fine :)
Not sure what the glitching was with TDII at the end, maybe a Picasso96 issue?
Anyway will add the link in 5-10 mins!
You could try getting a PCI Riser card rather than a low-profile...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32-Bits-Fl...item51a86105d1
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-Riser-...item35b9c3a0e6
especially as you are custom designing your case.
@ chinners, this is not for the walker case, i will be extremely limited on space:), i am open to suggestions, will need sata x 2, a minimum of 1gb ram, sound and video out and be fast enough to run winuae (don't think i am asking for too much lol)
@steve, thanks m8y:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Chinners
Here ya go:
It's still processing, will be HD once Youtube have done their magic...
Apologies for the fat bloke in the reflection lol...
Also I think Win8 is blocking the network connection as usually you can us the Internet in WinUAE...
thanks Steve, so that was running as an 040? seems to zip along nicely:thumbsup:
p.s, you racing tonight?
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Originally Posted by Justin
Yes (040+JIT) & yes :thumbsup:
(The basic Workbench IIRC is 020+JIT)
I have briefly dabbled with this on a Zotac Nvidia Ion (atom 330 board)
It works but.... sound can be a bit glitchy so I have been working down all the older revisions of winuae. Finally got it stable enougth to say "Yes I am happy"
But it still seems a bit tetchy?
I am wondering if windows 7 would improve things?
@Steve That seems fairly fluid... it'd be interesting watching it with windows task manager to see how greedy on the CPU it is :) and do I spy an nvidia sticker on there?
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Originally Posted by Chinners
ooohhh, that's a good idea, would you mind steve?
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i have found an fx520 128mb, should be enough to help winuae along:)
Yeah my Netbook if you checked out the specs has a proper 256mb NVidia 9300m :)
I just made another Video with task manager running, it's hard to see with the light/reflection but I'll upload it anyway. It never seems to use more than half the CPU but I didn't really have anything CPU intensive in WinUAE ready to try.
I imagine with Doom/Quake we could max it out ;)
could you try something like wing commander or the cd32 vsrsion of road kill?
sorry to have so many requests bud:oops:
Um...Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinners
ooohhh, that's a good idea, would you mind steve?
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i have found an fx520 128mb, should be enough to help winuae along:)
I asume you mean a 5200?
Tried and failed in an atom :( Also, driver issues restrict you to winxp. There are unoffical w7 drivers but they just caused my atom to get into a reboot loop.
Also, memory bandwidth from ram->pci->video card isn't going to be too hot. I don't know how things get rendered in winuae, but I would assume it is quite heavy on the pci bus? I suppose with the built in graphics it's all PCIe... but nasty shared ram (boo!)
I really don't want to poo-poo on your doo-doo - I would really love it to work. It'd give me something to do with my 510 once I can upgrade it... and to see another of your projects come to life. I just feel that since running a similar mobo (windows benchmark of 2 on the gfx side, no joy updating the gfx, no digital video/audio (vga dsub only), ram isn't the cheapest (ddr2 5300 or 6400) ) that you'd be better off looking for a cheapish celeron / athlon combo that is upgradable.
I suppose it does count on how much you're paying for the 410 though.
My atom is now just a media share box/torrent server/web server, which is ideal with its low power consumption.
This is what you could expect from your potential setup:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...2/a/bench2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...52/a/bench.jpg
@chinners, let us say that with 2gb ram, less than 4 pints in Cheltenham
:)
I don't have them setup mate, I'm trying to get some work done this afternoon so this is all I can do for now.
Sorry it's not much help :(
Pints of what tho? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
it is all a great help, thanks Steve:thumbsup:
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ummm lets go with euro fizz:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinnersPints of what tho? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Just checked the N270 processor. It's not going above half because it's single core, but hyperthreaded... so in many circumstances you'll only get a max 50%-60% cpu usage. But on a slightly more positive side, the 410 and 270 are similar looking beasts on paper...Quote:
Originally Posted by Justinit is all a great help, thanks Steve:thumbsup:
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ummm lets go with euro fizz:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinnersPints of what tho? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?...1.66GHz&id=610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?...1.66GHz&id=608
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?....60GHz&id=1431
hmmmm, yeah there doesn't seem to be much in it. or maybe i should save up more:ninja:
http://www.ebuyer.com/407427-biostar...mi-6-nm70i-847
what about 1 of these
I've just tried a 1.5ghz celeron M on basic A500 settings - it works great with the built in Intel Mobile 915 vga... (PC CPU@45%, Amiga@full 50fps)Quote:
Originally Posted by johnim
On a Via Eden 1.0ghz, it was unplayable... mind you, the eden and associated chipse isn't best choice for multimedia in the world by a long stretch. (PC CPU@100% (140%), Amiga@ 30-40fps)
a bit pricey John, i can get an AMD dual core 1.6 for less than that (fusion)Quote:
Originally Posted by johnim
:)
This has got me kind of interested...
Anyway, my final test...
9Fingers demo on an emulated A500 using a Celeron M/1.5ghz
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...a/9fingers.mp4
Bottom line - It works, but the PC CPU is at 80+ %
Not much room for anything more exciting - although I guess this demo does max the real Amiga's CPU being all vectorish and such.
I should dust of my netbook.
intel atom 270 I think 1.6, 2gb ram Nvidia Ion vga.
i have a atom 330 with ion but its hiding
the mobo i linked too could have a cheap pcie gpu
well at least we have some discussion going on:)
so what minimum spec itx mobo/cpu combo do we recommend?
P.S please can a mod rename this thread? something like "Recommended ITX/CPU setup for Emulation?"
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guys, opinions on this please?
http://www.ebuyer.com/434703-gigabyt...board-ga-e350n
changed mate
I don't no much about amd cpus last had an athlon. 3000+
thanks John, i haven't used amd since the x2 range, but it seems to be quite nippy:)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...?cpu=AMD+E-350
My final say on the Atom.
No go, I'm afraid.
I tried Frontier, Frontier - Elite 2 on my D510 (Dual Core, hyperthreaded atom @1.6ghz) using "Basic A1200". Whilst it is visually ok, the sound does stutter quite badly.
I don't think Winuae is using multicore, or if it is, its not the best (no offence meant to the app's authors!).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...52/a/front.mp4
Just a quick note, it appears the D510 has a larger L2 cache than the D410, so that will also give that a speed boost.
For a great emulation PC, I would try get as fast a core CPU as I could, dual core being just a nicety. Ram - as fast as possible and a video card that's on a PCIe bus for max bandwidth - although a good AGP board should do too if you're looking at older stuff.
Why not just get one of the new cheaper haswell cpus with a new it'd board?
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so amd 350 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3106824242...84.m1423.l2649 with a low profile nvidia 1gb 210? should be man enough you think?
That looks like a sweet mobo. The GFX card is already built in, and is probably more than enough for emulation needs. I think the only thing I'd check on that is if the audio is sent over the HDMI socket - that's if you plan on using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
oops never looked at link
that looks better
i don't know anything about the cpu but i think it looks to be quick enough?
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Originally Posted by johnim
the amd is dual core 1.6ghz m8, your link is dual core 1.1 ghz
and the amd costs less:thumbsup:;)
yea never looked at new link,was thinking it was same ebuyer mobo sorry
what case or mod is this going in justin
lol, you know that is a secret:lol:
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Originally Posted by johnim
Can I make a guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Justinlol, you know that is a secret:lol:
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Originally Posted by johnim
**cough cough cd32 cough cough**
rofl, you read too much of this forum!!:lol::thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by ChinnersCan I make a guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Justinlol, you know that is a secret:lol:
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Originally Posted by johnim
**cough cough cd32 cough cough**
FYI I can do PS1 emulation on my dual core atom netbook (N550) and it works flawlessly. It does use about 80% CPU or so though.
16 bit emulation uses less than 50% of the N550. Not sure about UAE though.
Just found this site, which lists CPUs by single core performance. It'd make a great basis for working out where you stand on emulation:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
Right at the bottom of the list are our beloved Atoms. Mine is rated at 264, which doesn't cope well with Elite-Frontier AGA. It is, however almost there, with the CPU hitting "130%" or so during the intro.
So, from that, you can work out roughly where you need to be looking at to get a mobo that works.
the AMD is 428 so i think that will be a goer :)
IMO the ultimate emulation box would be an i3 Ivybridge in a MITX case. Should be able to run it on a 120W PSU without any probs. CPU is only 55W and you should even be able to run something like Skyrim on it on low settings. The HD4000 on the Ivybridge is quite impressive for what it is.
I always wanted to make this a reality but sadly don't have the space or funds available now. Would love to see someone else do it though!
The ultimate issue, especially for Juvvie's plans, is cooling - something that is really getting on my nerves at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmiNeo
We have inherited a bunch of machines based around a 1ghz via eden processor, which should be ok running fanless as they are only 5w parts.
However, due to the small cases on these, and virtually no airflow, "ticking over" in XP, these machines will reach 70degrees on a warm day. Under a sustained load, or even a hot day, they will just turn off and sulk.
Now, I retro-fitted a bunch of these with little fans - 30mm to keep air flowing over the cpu cooler. However, even with fans on, the little buggers have managed to get hot enough to destroy the fans. I've now got an unenviable task of finding some other 30mm fans that can cope with being cooked. (Oh, and there is only room for a 30mm fan in there too...)
:roll: