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Nice pictures, mate. Thanks for sharing. A true inspiration.
Good luck for making it work. I used to use AsimCDFS and never had any problem with long names or whatsoever. Now there are perhaps few other CD / DVD filesystems which should work...
I stuffed around with so many cd files systems before, that I think there's now two trying to run :p
I don't even remember what I have on my A500, should probably plug it in and check, as it worked perfectly..
However, I thought it was IDEFix97? but never got the popups saying it was a "demo"
Nice work & nice Man-Cave you have there! :thumbsup:
You shouldn't need IDEFix, just a CD Filesystem in L and a CD0 mount file in Devs/DosDrivers (or Storage/DosDrivers to mount yourself later) pointing to it.
I think I was using AmiCDFS before however on my current A1200 with internal CD I use IDEFix97 as I have an IDEFix Express and my CD drive is on the secondary IDE.
The Demo version should give you some time before nagging although the Power Computing License Key is easy to find with the big G :)
The CD rom drive has just mounted...
Once...
But before it did, the machine was being useless, it wasn't starting up, seemed to be going through a constant reset cycle, would occasionally come up with the kickstart screen...
Till finally, it displayed a red screen, software error, then restarted, booted from the CF card, and mounted the cd rom.... :/
edit, oh, and, I don't even know what cd file system it was using... files weren't being truncated?!
Looking at the cabling, shouldn't the devices be connected like this:
IDE Header>HDD/CF>CDROM
Or does it not matter?
CF needs to be master obviously and CD slave
You can use the find CD application from the IDEfix97 package to see if the CDROM drive is picked up and connected correctly.
You can get AmiCDFS at Aminet:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240
I've stuffed around with this for hours before.
I don't believe the cable order matters.
The CD rom is fixed as Master I believe, so the CF has to be slave...
I think I'm going to have to reinstall Workbench and start over, as there are bits and pieces of 4 or 5 different CDFS's on there, some half installed still...
Whatever cdfs has just worked, is the only one I found that didn't truncate file names, and actually worked... but I don't know what it was!
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Some quotes from an old thread of mine:
Quote:
I got the dvd rom working using AmiCDFS, with the atapi.device driver from IDEfix97.
The drive now works, appears in workbench, icon appears and disappears when a cd is inserted or removed.
However, the file names on the disc are being truncated to 8.3 characters.
When I tried to run the IDEFix install, it would just crash...Quote:
I can't get IDEfix to work with the A600, apparently it doesn't like CF cards, and the install just crashes.
I think I manually installed IDEFix97 (edit: CacheCDFS?) somehow, and this most recent time it half worked, it was IDEFix (CacheCDFS?)...
But I think other cdfs are still trying to load, causing conflicts, or something...
Hence, I'd like to start again.
WHAT AN AWESOME MOD!!! AmmoJammo mate that is indeed some nice cable work and I can understand how time consuming it was!
I so love seeing such clean mods without excessive cabling around. Lotsa kudos.
As I had the same problem in the past, I used a ready 44pin to JAE CDROM connector in order to have the power in the cable instead of extra wires floating around. Also I used a 3-way 44pin IDE cable (like this).
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OGwJ4kLfTC...0/DSC03335.JPG
The only bad thing with the A600 and CD drive internally is that it doesn't leave space for accelerator underneath (at least not with my ACA (even with heatsink removed).
Better do a standard installation from scratch to be sure. I always used CacheCDFS from OS3.9 and no issues. I suggest a newer scsi.device as well in the ROM. If you have any questions feel free to drop a PM or talk via MSN :)
Just for reference I used only the Primary IDE channel (having an Idefix Express) with Primary Master the CF2IDE and Secondary Master the CDROM.
Cable was like this: Motherboard -- CF2IDE -- CDROM. It worked like a charm but iirc the JAE adapter had only Cable select jumper but it worked just fine.
Thanks! I was inspired not to do a crappy job, by this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by mfilos
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=24657
:shhh::picard
I'm actually not convinced an accelerator won't fit... but it might require a bit more work ;)
I guess I'm going to have to re-read the instructions on installing classic workbench!
I have no money for an accelerator anyway.
Maybe a Furia S628, or ACA620 or kipper2k's memory could fit as they are slim enough.
feel free to donate one to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by mfilos
I'm 99% sure this dvd drive is set to master... and perhaps that's been causing a few issues.
What I have succeeded in doing today, is I've managed to make it so that if the CF card is plugged in, the Amiga refuses to do anything... http://www.amiga.org/forums/images/smilies/hammer.gif
I also managed to break the compact flash adapter... I think I ended up with two pins shorted on the CF socket...
ended up completely removing the socket, and resoldering it from scratch...
doesn't work still..
compact flash card still works in a PC, in winuae, and I also tried setting up an old 40gig ide drive in the Amiga, which it found, partitioned into two 4gig pieces, then failed to format....
maybe I broke the ide controller? maybe the 40gig drive doesn't work so well...
Anyway! it works even less now than it did yesterday..
I am about to do this mod on my A600 its already done on my A1200, so we will see if there are any problems.
I used the 4 port angled EIDE`99 adapter and Allegro CDFS which comes with the adapter and that works fine on the A1200, sounds like you have shorted something out while doing your mod bud :(
I tried a 4.3gig 3.5inch ide drive. Partitioned and formatted fine. Simply copied all the files from a workbench disc onto the drive, and it booted up quickly with no issues. So the ide controller is fine. I've ordered some new compact flash adapters...
It was being really weird, unreliable, often just sitting in a continuous reset loop (this is before I touched the compact flash connector solder joints)
SO I reflowed all the solder joints on the cf socket, but then it did nothing...
rechecked all the joints and they looked fine, checked them with a multimeter, and found two that appeared to be shorted, so I completely removed the socket, and resoldered it.
Which then resulted in the compact flash card causing the A600 to do nothing (not even constantly reset)
Compact flash card seems to work fine in a USB adapter, through winuae.... on the real amiga, it does nothing... so, I've ordered some new ide to CF adapters, in the hope it does more!
I really need an ide buffer...
Yes I have found that some cf adapters are really flakey and never go by the markings on the card i.e for `Master` or `Slave` have a play with the jumper dont worry you cant short anything out just by moving that, on mine it was the opposite ! LoL.
I use the Cf on primary and the DVDrom on the `secondary its what is acually recommended in the Instructions, and on my A1200 it is the only setup that works where everything is recognised and will boot from the CF
*sits and waits for my new compact flash adapter to arrive*
I tried the 40gig hdd again, formatted the first 4gig partition in winuae, then copied classic workbench over, and it booted up fine.
Then I set the HDD to slave, and plugged in the cd rom, still booted fine... didn't bother trying to get the cd rom to work, as I have no intention of using this drive....
Just quickly setup my A600 with Buffered adapter, EIDE 99, and just put my A1200 CF card with a DVDrom drive and it booted first time, just need to mount it now and Bobs your Uncle :cool:
Gonna have to use some trickery to move the adapter out the way of the drive though :(
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Pics of EIDE adapter as requested by AmmoJammo
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Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by AmmoJammo
you have less troubles with a normal CD-Rom reader, why a DVD reader has a firmware with inside select the master/slave option or, worst, the cable-select option. About the CF adapter, you can desolder the pin 28 of the 40 pin male connector of the adapter, and try again.
Regards
Stefano
Wow I just saw that you connected the middle connector of the IDE 3way cable to the motherboard! That's not the correct way to connect it mate.
This is the correct way:
http://openbookconsulting.org/giip/h...bbon-cable.jpg
Hello,
to be more clear, the sequence slave-master or master-slave is not rilevant: you can try what is the best solution. The ATA protocol dont tell if the master device need to be at the end of the cable or in the middle.
Regards
Stefano
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/v...psjnaybhch.jpg
I installed on the right, that way accelerator fits. I now have ACA630 and A600 fully closes no problem
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps2903eebe.jpg
Thanks for the pics ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by supaduper
I've already tried using cable select on this drive, but from what I've found, and doing more research on the net, it appears the drive is firmware set to master.Quote:
Originally Posted by vibros
This doesn't really seem to matter, I've currently got a 2.5inch laptop drive set as slave, with the dvd rom connected, and it boots fine from the laptop drive (haven't got the dvd drive working though, too hot :p)
I haven't actually found any definitave information that an ide cable MUST be connected like that... other than from people who simply keep passing the same information on, because its what someone told them (or what it says on the 80 wire ide cables, which of course, isn't what I'm using)Quote:
Originally Posted by mfilos
Its just a passive cable, pin 1 connects to pin 1 on all three connectors, and the same for every pin.
Its the device that determines if its master or slave.
Yes, but mine is Master, Computer, Slave :whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by vibros
But still, I don't see why it should matter... (I had massive issues getting the dvd drive to work before the cable was like this)
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I really do think the optical drive could be made to fit over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukasSid
Even if you had to trim the pins on the back of the board to they were flush with the board, and put some insulation between the drive, and the accelerator....
Ok, right now, Its setup as per the following.
40gig 2.5inch IDE drive, two 4gig partitions.
Drive formatted through Winuae, Classic Workbench copied through Winuae.
Hard drive set as slave, dvd drive set as master, using the same cable I was using on the CF card (yes, both drives are being powered by the ide header :shhh:)
Now, I've just installed IDEFix97, which at first wouldn't find the dvd drive, but did the second time I ran it..
CD rom drive worked...
However, IDEFix would never run with the CF card and adapter, it would crash before it installed the drive...
Copied some files from a cd to the HDD... seems very slow, but then, I am probably used to my Amiga 500 setup...
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mm... so slow... the HDD was about 800kb/s
Should the cd rom speed be the same as the ide hdd? or is the cd rom slow because its not a buffered ide interface?
http://imageshack.com/a/img21/3849/ggr9.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img541/8615/5kws.jpg
Hello,
the pin n.28 of a 40 pin ide connector, is the "cable select" option. If this pin is grounded, then this option is enabled, but dont work on Amiga.
Some CF adapter have this pin grounded and the Amiga dont recognize the CF.
This is my experience.
Regards
Stefano
Ground pin 28 on a device should set it to master ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vibros
This CF adapter has a master/slave jumper anyway, which I believe ties pin 28 to ground, or leaves it floating.
New CF adapter arrived...
Set it to slave, and the cdrom to master.. I get the kickstart screen... won't boot from the CF.
Set the CF to master, unplug the cdrom... floppy drive clicks, but I get no video.... ah... that ain't supposed to happen... (unless its trying to boot from the CF, and failing)
I had a few faulty cf adapters that behave like that. Approximately one in 10 I bought from China!
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The adapter I had been using seemed to stop working :/
I'm wondering if something has gone wrong with the CF card itself, but it still works on a PC...
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Ok, so I have the compact flash adapter plugged into a 2.5inch ide to usb adapter.
http://imageshack.com/a/img836/4983/k36f.jpg
Original CF adapter, set to master, takes ages when you click the add HDD button, comes up with the above.
Set to slave, and the red light on the adapter just comes on, and the drive never appears.
New CF adapter, set to master, as above, takes ages, appears as "no media"
Set it to slave, and it appears instantly in the list, still as "no media"
:double
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Tried a different USB to IDE adapter, this time for a 3.5inch drive, which of course, also meant a different IDE to CF adapter again (one that I've never been able to connect to the amiga, due to it being 3.5inch...
Worked perfectly...
So, now I know that usb-ide-cf can in fact work, I'm going to connect this usb-ide adapter to a 3.5-2.5inch ide cable, so I can connect it to the two "bad" ide-cf adapters, and see what happens...
http://imageshack.com/a/img826/690/dgja.jpg
I think that the IDE header does not have enough grunt to power both cf and cdrom, I would use a molex to floppy splitter from the floppy power 4 pin connecter to power cdrom.
I think that is the classic symptom where you state the cf activity light stays on, indicating power prob or incorrect setup between cf and cdrom
^Edit^
just seen your photo so you will have you splice the molex to your power cable setup on the board connected to the cdrom
IDE header happily powered the CDrom and 2.5inch ide HDD, the compact flash draws basically no power compared to the HDD.
CDrom and HDD and it booted perfectly every time, mounted the CDrom every time.
CDrom and CF simply doesn't work... CF doesn't even work at all anymore!
and I've just tried both cf-ide adapters on a pc, using a different ide-usb adapter, and both also appear to work fine!
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cf-ide-usb, compact flash card works...
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/703/hsvz.jpg
cf-2.5ide-3.5ide-usb... compact flash works (both cf-2.5ide adapters)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/594/njh6.jpg
Plug either CF-2.5ide into the Amiga, as master on their own, or slave with the dvd connected.... FAILS! and yet, one of these adapters used to work?!
Still will not hurt just to eliminate it is not a power prob by quickly connecting a rough setup power wise to the cdrom, and yeah those cf`s run on `Angel Dust`:D
It doesn't work without the cd rom even plugged in...
That must be so frustrating, works on PC but no show on the miggy damn that is a HF !
have you measured the power output on the PC usb drive,and compared it to the power output on the miggy IDE with cf connected to see what load difference there might be
Yeah, its just great!
its worse because it did work! Now it does nothing!
I might try installing a basic version of WB to another (80meg) CF, and see what the amiga does with that..
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Ok, things may not be quite as they seemed...
The "broken" adapter seems to actually work in the A600 today...
It will start to load workbench, (hdd light flashes) then just stop, never to start again...
The workbench install now has a version of IDEFix installed (was installed on real Amiga hardware, to an ide HDD, then copied to the compact flash)
It doesn't work!?!? I have had no luck whatsoever, with idefix, when using this compact flash card?!?
Now, I have to assume that the "new" cf-ide adapter also works, however, the CF card doesn't control the HDD light, hence it appearing to do nothing.... I assumed the HDD light worked, as the cdrom was causing it, and the light on the adapter itself, to flash as it spun up....
I now believe the old adapter is slightly intermittent, the new adapter probably works fine, and idefix doesn't work at all!
I can boot from a workbench 3.1 floppy, and halfway through booting, it accesses the compact flash card, without doing anything with idefix, and boots into workbench, giving me all the items that should have been on the desktop when booting from the cf card...
I think that A600 needs `Exorcising`;)
Ok, old adapter has taken up working again, (fresh copy of classic workbench again, so no idefix)
However, the new adapter won't work as slave, simply won't boot from the drive. As master, with no cdrom connected, it boots fine.
So! I have two new cf-ide adapters on their way from China, which I believe are the same as the first/bad/old one, so hopefully that works...
Now... to try and get the cdrom working again?!?
Good luck dude ! I like that you aint giving up! a man after my own heart, also get some `Holy Water` :roll:
Maybe I'll just get a real ide HDD... idefix doesn't seem to mind them...
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Tried an old 80meg compact flash, with the version of workbench that has idefix preinstalled (copied from a HDD)
And, failed...
Unless of course you boot with both mouse buttons pressed, then choose to boot without the startup sequence... then it boots just find to the CLI, or whatever its called...
Ah yes, idefix... lovely!
Ok I have just got some more cables and guess what I changed nothing and no cdrom !, so the cable length is critcal regarding the power from the IDE header.
I had my cdrom on the secondary port (Unit 3) and the corresponding Dos driver in Devs.
What I did was go into the idefix folder ran the `Find device` and it could not find the cdrom.
So I put the IDE cable onto the primary port of the adapter (Unit 1) and ran `Find device` and Bingo yatzi said dvdrom showed up:cool:
So All I did then using a text editor was to edit the Dos driver file, CD3 by going it to the settings and changing the UNIT=3 to UNIT=1 and just renaming the Icon to CD1 (tidyness timothy),aso had to Edit the `eject icon` too to Unit 1.
So might be a cabling problem, i know you say it worked, but so did mine ;)
patch idefix...
yeah, I clearly missed that in the instructions...
*sigh*
that's most likely where I've been going wrong...
btw, I would think that a properly buffered ide interface would be ok with ide cables upto probably a meter long (I've used cables this long in PCs before)
The problem with the ide adapter you posted pictures of supaduper, is that there appears to actually be no buffering at all on the data lines...
It works! sorta...
step 1, find a version of idefix that can actually be patched...
step 2, find a program to patch it!
step 3, install idefix, which actually worked, and found the dvd drive.
step 4, restart, only to have CD0 not mount "cannot find scsi.device unit 0" or whatever it is...
riiight...
run "CD0" from devs/dosdrivers and the cd drive mounts every time...
so, how do I fix this? does having CD0 in the dosdrivers folder attempt to mount the device too soon in the startup sequence?
When you run ``Find Device` in the idefix folder what unit number is it ? if its 1, 2 try changing it in the CD0 settings
its 0 because its the master.
its all set right, it just doesn't seem to find the drive while workbench is loading.
I aint prob got your knowledge on the workings but I suppose have tried HD unit 0 and cdrom Unit 1
is there anyone out there who has succesfully got HD and CDrom working off the A600 IDE using just the header power, perhaps they have the answer
DVD drive is firmware set to master, so it can't be changed.
Wasn't sure if it would work like this, but it appears to... wasn't sure the ide cable would work like this, but that appears to as well...
Can you just setup a normal IDE cable? master/slave as usual, obviously with your cdrom as master, put that on just to eliminate your cable aint the prob
No.
K..
waste of time this forum is.