A500 1MB chip and Chip Bus Expansion Cards

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Hello there my fellow AmiBayers,

Just some house keeping, with this thread, taking some posts from sales threads that should be used for more common resource of knowledge for the A500.

As most know the Rev 5 and Rev 6A A500's came with a 1MB Agnus standard, thats to say the Agnus could address upto 1MB of chip - however using this requires some modification to the motherboard.

Also some CHIP BUS expansion boards utilize the port and generally the GARY IC to address upto 4MB of (SLOW) Fast RAM.

While the above is limited to common CHIP speeds (i.e. it wont speed up the processing) it does allow for more data to be loaded - which for using (loading) Larger games and WHDLoad it is invaluiable.

This thread is not a direct HOW-TO, more of a discussion and guide advice on existing knowledge.


@Bas

My friend, this is an intersting do-hickle, with a modified 1MB Rev6a it just Shadows the extra 512KB CHIP thats populated on the motherboard as the EXRAM (JP7A) is not cut, infact if the Rev6A mod has JP7A cut then you need to re-bridge it.

The manual suggests that you remove the extra ram and fit-it to the adapter.

lemmie see if I can up load the manual one sec - its very good reading =D

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okies heres some late night reading material

1.BaseBoard Manual PDF
2.BaseBoard Review
3.BaseBoard Software

=D




@Update

Please note that the above links do not work at the moment.
 
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Zetro which good fella gave you the manual ? ? ?

Good luck with the sale but as i saw earlier Jon grab it instantly.

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Zetty

Out of curiosity my friend, If you solder in the 512K extra chip directly on the rev 6A mobo & configure the onboard RAM as 1MB chip, does this card still provide the full 4MB S/F Ram ie 5MB in total.

Certainly a beaut ;)

TC :cool:

No in any way. Because if you solder the 512K extra you have to do the JP2 mod to make it chip.

If you set the Baseboard to Fat Agnus instead of Fatter <-- (this is the jumper config of the BaseBoard) while you have the mod the machine will not boot.

If you set the BaseBoard to Fatter (while you have 1MB on the Rev6 and JP2) you get 3.5 extra so the total is 4.5

Is some revisions of the Rev6A (i have 4 different here) the machine again doesn't boot. I mean powers up but don't show the kickstart screen.
 
indeed, that good fella whom gave me a copy of the manual is none other than Seaside =D (my humble thanks)

It prooved invaluable to understanding the trapdor expansion and the multiplexing circuit(s) that was being employed in connection to the GARY addressing.
 
@seaside

To be honest I only passed on the item what it cost me from very good forum chummy on EAB =)

Now that I understand how and why the adapter works it has forfilled its mission, so its time to pass it on to a new owner =)

I had wondered if it was possible to add 8MB of ram to the trapdoor port using some extra switching, however this trapdoor port has its limmitiation (GARY) and 8MB wouldn't be practical on the port, infact 6MB would realistically be the maximum feasable option.

For the moment the A500 Rev6A I have here is destined to be my testing / hardware dev unit - I do plan to make / design an auto-configuring 8MB ram adapter as well as an IDE device for the 68k moto DIP based amiga - It will be designed with no more than two layers and one CPLD.

I will then open source this for others to make their own or develop this further.
 
I see...;)

I have this board but is very big and conflicts with the BaseBoard.

Once i installed the A504 along with the BaseBoard.

Workbench reported 1MB chip and 7.5 fast but i need to relocate either the

CPU socket which is big (compared) to Gary or the Gary. And this proceedure

is beyond my soldering skills.


It is EXTREMELY difficult to find the +2MB to add them to BaseBoard. I mean the official upgrade.

If you design that kind of toy (IDE + Ram) you will save me and lot of Amiga Fans from the expensive upgrades :thumbsdown:......cough hm......:thumbsdown:

A small and short version of this adapter with horizontal mounting for CF or IDE would be PERFECT.
 
@seaside

That A504 - it is a big card isn't it lol!

you could look at CPU riser, but theres only so much room before you hit the keyboard.

The CPU riser can be made from socket strips and you could easily and safely get a good 1.5cm extra height using these, would that be enough to raise it above the GARY adapter I honestly dont know.
 
@seaside

That A504 - it is a big card isn't it lol!

you could look at CPU riser, but theres only so much room before you hit the keyboard.

The CPU riser can be made from socket strips and you could easily and safely get a good 1.5cm extra height using these, would that be enough to raise it above the GARY adapter I honestly dont know.

Yup i know about the strips. But if i go to this alternative then the A504 will conflict with the keyboard. Right now if you install the A504 you have 0.5cm space between the keyb. and the A504.

So i have to move the Gary Front and Right (with a cable strip or somethin) not UP.

If i raise the Baseboard Gary adapter (cuz i tried this also) then the cable connector confilcts with the keyboard. :(:(:(

Such a mess.......
 
you could use some socket-pins and some vero board,

you would need to solder the better part of 42 wires though (thats 84 solder welds lol)

its not impossible as I have done somthing similar to this for a 64pin DIP (thats 128 solder welds)
 
you could use some socket-pins and some vero board,

you would need to solder the better part of 42 wires though (thats 84 solder welds lol)

its not impossible as I have done somthing similar to this for a 64pin DIP (thats 128 solder welds)

128 ? You have a lot of patience.....:bowdown::bowdown:
 
Hello Zetr0, do you think you could let me see the manual for this board?
I'm trying to get my Zydec Megaboard to work with the JP7 JP2A settings for 1 MB chip.
My A500 won't start at all with the Zydec installed and set for 1 MB Chip. It works fine with 512k Chip though then i get the expected result: 512M Chip and 1,5 Other mem.
Maybe some hack to gary will fix this.

Thanks, Magnus
 
@imaga_050

Hello there, I will dig-up the files tonight from my filestore and try and get some hosting up for them - alas due to a lot of messing about with fasthost I lost my guildserver host =(

Essentially on the BaseBoard to obtain 1MB chip you need to modify JP2 like in the image bellow, but you must leave JP7A intact and as default.



Again, the BaseBoard manual states you need to perform the JP2 modification so that the Agnus can address an extra 512KB of CHIP - the adapter sorts out the bank shifting in relation to GARY and address.

How this works in relation to the Zydec I am unsure, but if its anything like the Pyramid, then you might need to run a jumper wire from the modified JP2 to the expansion card.
 
Hello, It's OK, i found something on the Zone that helped, the PDF manual for Adram 540.
But i think they are very different in design from the Zydec Gary adapters since only 2 wires run from Zydec to the Gary board.
I'm going to test some thing with this board. I hope at least to use the Passthrough function and maybe use that finnish design (Reslow).
I will post results (if i succed :P).
Sorry for resurrecting this old for sale thread but i didn't want to start a new one on this subject.

Thanks.
 
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