Better the devil you know? Virgin Media.

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Hey guys,

I've been with Virgin Media for years. A while back I wanted to try to reduce my monthly outgoings due to redundancy from work so I contacted VM to try to get a reduction in my monthly bills. The support guy on the phone said he wasn't really able make any reduction to my current package even after I explained that friends and family (also with VM) were paying much less, but he said Virgin were trying to encourage people to take up the Superhub and Tivo box combination packages. If I took the lower of the two XXL packages he could do it for less than I was already paying and I'd also get HD TV channels which I didn't have before. I would save about £12 GBP per month which would help. I'd also not have to pay a £19 setup fee which he would right-off.

This sounded ok so I agreed. He then apparently tried ordering my new services but then said it would not go through the system, however he was able to put a higher grade service through with a saving of about £6/month. I agreed as it was still a saving, but wondered whether I was just being fobbed off and possibly suckered into buying a more expensive service.

So the installer came and set everything up and with my laptop he connected up first through wireless which gave about 24Mb download speed, 4.3Mb upload. Then via wired connection and he got 104Mb download and the same 4.3Mb upload, it's a 100Mb connection. The installer said it would be best to keep it as a wired setup and was honest enough to tell me there had been so many complaints about the wireless performance on the superhubs.

So it was installed and seemed ok since about march except for youtube and any streaming video. About a month ago up to now I've been getting really bad download speeds from 5:00PM to about midnight, anything from 40Mb/sec down to 2Mb sec, mostly below 10MB. Trying to load Amibay web pages can take 30 seconds or more. My brother who lives in the same area has also started seeing similar performance issues.

Checking on the VM support forum I've come across many, many complaints about these new services and VM just seem to be responding to indivuals instead of actually trying to find root cause, which is most probably due to bandwidth reduction and traffic shaping, i.e. caused by VM due to the consistent time window.

So here's the rant part: :whistle:
Although I'm getting HD channels now, the same programs that I was watching 5 to 10 years ago are still being repeated but in HD. The internet is almost at a point of being unusable in the evenings.

...and just today I get an email from VM saying they will be increasing my service charges by £4.34 per month from February 2013. Ontop of the £80 per month I'm already paying this is too much for the substandard service they are offering. Additionally, my first bill on this new service included the £19 setup fee which I had to contact them 4 times to get sorted as they had no record of it.

So as per the title "better the devil you know" I wonder what other providers I could use instead? I hear people complain about BT as well. Are there any more providers out there or what do people use these days? I have free-view on satellite and terrestrial but to be honest the channels aren't that great.

I read on the web that OFCOM banned the TV Ad' where Usain Bolt claimed customers would have "no buffering".

ho-hum! :roll:
 
I am a Virgin Customer with VIP bundle and pay about £120 per month for TV(in 3 rooms)/BB (120mb)/Phone

I have also noticed in the last 1-2 months that evening browsing is so slow. As soon as it hits midnight though it starts to fly again. They've also sent me a letter saying that because they cant double my speed since i already have 120mb they will reduce my BB by £5 per month. Then 2 days ago i got an email saying that from February my monthly costs will go up by £14.95!
 
I suppose they are true in saying they'll increase speeds at no extra cost. But lying through their teeth because they're just delaying the cost increase.
 
i have adsl and really limited speeds with any one i chose to go to. "2mb connection is a optomistic target connection" so im going with talk talk.
£114 upfront for 12 months line reantal "bats the pants off of bt's line rental" then £7 a month for the actual adsl. "£3.50 a month for the 1st 6mnth"

going from the £7 a month price + the line rental. if i space that out over 12 months it comes out as £16.50 a month. for line rental and the internet..

right now im paying £30 a month for internet. and £15.45 for line rental
so its quite a bit cheaper. for £1.05 more a month than i pay for line rental alone from BT i also get unlimited adsl. which is a saving of £28.95 a month.. "£347.40 a year"

if i could have super fast internet i probably wouldnt go for talk talk, as customer service suck.
they also offer some tvvio or some thing.. for a slight extra cost but i chose not to go for that either..

the way i see it i have a magic box that can stream movies and things from the internet.. Its called my pc.
And i dont have to pay extra for that every month.

oh yeah..
im leaving virgin media to use talk talk.
 
Earlier in the year I got on the phone to VM and demanded I was given the new customer rates for a phoneline and 10mbit BB or I was leaving after 11 years, they couldn't agree to it fast enough. £22.90 for tv and phone down from £30 roughly.

Do you really need the TV service? Most channels are wall to wall repeats, rubbish and +1's. TV has taken such a nose dive since the late nineties, the only thing I pay for is the TV tax and I begrudge paying that for the crap that gets transmitted most of the time. Freeview covers it for me - paying for subscription TV just encourages them to keep putting the prices up as they see people will pay it.
 
To be honest the only thing i watch on the tv is Sky Sports for the football but to be fair a lot of the matches i actually want to see are not on and i end up streaming them from foreign tv stations anyway so i am considering dropping tv and phone. Problem with broadband is i need cable as everytime i do one of those check your line speed for ADSL it comes back at 1mb and i just cant deal with going back to that slow a speed :lol:
 
you dont have to pay for a tv licence if you dont watch broad casted tv..
you can still have a telly.. and you can watch things on that tv "dvd's, vhs, stuff on your pc."
but you cant watch anything thats being broadcasted...

So you couldnt watch top gear on bbc iplayer.. But you could watch last seasons top gear on dvd..

I dont think they want people to know that. But if you look carefully on the web page you will find an area to declaire that you dont need a tv licence.

Just to be safe i have removed all analog and digital dishes excetera from my house.
I dont have any free view things in the house either.
that way if they do come and try and be a pain, then they wont be able to say much of anything.

i dont really watch tv much any way. so a tv licence is an expense i should not need to pay. and apparantly i dont have to pay either.
 
ok sorry now as this went off topic..

But what do they mean when they say i cant watch things being broadcasted then ?

do they mean i cant set up a webcam at a friends house to watch eastendedrs through skype on my pc at home?
 
i think that would be flouting the rules a little but im not 100% :lol:

yeah sorry for the off topic
 
im not very impressed with virgin to be honest, been with them for years and i tried to get a better deal and they were so rude i got rid of them and ordered sky, after a couple of weeks them somehow magically reduced my bill from £60 p/m to £43 p/m and gave me 30mb internet instead of 4, a tivo box, multi room and a superhub. But i had to email the managing director to get a proper response (found his email on money saving expert forum).

only prob is that the tivo box is a bit rubbish, iplayer on the old v+ box was fab, now its turned into a low quality streaming mess that doesnt work properly, permanently get the spinning buffering circle.

friends of mine managed to get themselves and even better deal than me the other week too, so pays to play hard with them
 
Most providers have some sort of traffic shapeing. Virgin is one of the worst.

Realistically i reckon you need at least 2mb to use youtube and iplayer etc without suffering.

Ive been on sky unlimited for years, they did digital line management and pushed me down to 8mb for reliablilty but line does quicker.

No shapeing or limits, you can hammer it all day and night.

Depends where you live and quality of bt line as to what speed your going to get.

Every time im called to a place with virgin the speed is always lacking, dont forget you are sharing the bandwidth with other people on the box in your road.
 
I'm with Sky BB and I love it. Even though I don't work for them any more, I won't consider switching unless someone can come up with a service with a better speed that doesn't have shaping or traffic management.

I would switch to VM in a heartbeat if they were truly unlimited.
 
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