Bill Gates and the death of the Amiga

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I have always been under the impression that Bill Gates had a direct aim at Commodore and Amiga. He stood to make no money and Amiga Workbench was a competing operating system and lack of Microsoft software for the platform was clearly intentional/strategic to undermine the platform. Microsoft aimed at domination, and who knows if the C= leadership incompetence had outside motivation, considering how poorly they drove the ship in the critical period before bankruptcy in the early 90s.

To me, Bill Gates has always been one of the faces who contributed to Amiga's death.

It is for that reason that today's release of new Epstein photos really really piss me off.

Quote from Wikipedia: "In August 2021, Gates said the reason he had meetings with Epstein was because Gates hoped Epstein could provide money for philanthropic work, though nothing came of the idea."


Do these new photos confirm this philanthropic work?
 
I don't think that Bill Gates was ever an enemy to Commodore or the Amiga.
The Amiga didn't compete in the same market Microsoft was into.
Commodore were making PC and thus extending the market for Microsoft.
I think that at one time Microsoft and Bill Gates crystalized the resentment of the users of the other dying computers like the Amiga. People in France were calling them Billou and Kro$oft out of disrespect.
Myself i learnt to respect Bill Gates for his philanthropic dedication, and i am a long time Microsoft user anyway.
As for the Epstein files, i don't know.
 
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Well...Commodore Amiga had it's own OS and Microsoft refused to make anything productivity minded for the platform, essentially condemning it to a gaming/toy status. Other software makers stepped in and gave us good spreadsheet and word processors. Toaster saved the Amiga and gave it life. But Microsoft would not support the platform, and Windows, while terrible at the start when the Amiga 1000 came out, and even 500/2000, eventually Windows 3.1 was decent enough to mount an attack the Amiga platform.

As for the Epstein files, these photos don't look good at all and belittle the legacy of this individual in an unsurmountable way. How do they look to you, considering their source?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/12/18/epstein-files-lolita-quotes-woman-body/

And to think this individual's decisions helped to take down our beloved Amiga by not supporting the platform? Damn it!
 
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So by your own logic do you think Apple had a hand in killing the Amiga?
The Amiga platform had miniscule market share, like Apple, and I don't think Microsoft saw Amiga as a threat.
 
Without doubt I think Steve Jobs marked Amiga as a threat and lifted not only ideas from it but limited the progress of it. Then he took key actions to handicap the platform.

When he made the deal with Motorola to have the 68040 exclusively for Quadras and delayed access for Amiga until a year later, and then pushed the PowerPC platform it left Amiga without an engine to power it. It made Amiga look old and late. And it was certainly Steve Jobs' doing.

Then consider how he positioned Apple into a video production machine and then onward into DV with Firewire and Final Cut. Years after Amiga did it, but in this case positioned to be more accessible, in essence copying the Toaster capabilities to a high degree and providing the dealer network with an argument that Amiga was a dead platform for video with no support. It also opened other attacks on Amiga with Media 100, SGI and other solutions, even Avid.
 
I think this is kind of a silly theory as the Amiga was not pushed at the same markets the PC was to any serious degree, and frankly, was not all that suited to.

The Job of a PC was to display some word processor or data crunching spreadsheet prog in a clear and legible font on a screen that didn't cause eye strain. This was it's party piece, and the first Amiga to do that out of the box took five years to arrive.

For the first two years you couldn't even install a hard drive or second floppy drive into the Amiga's case - why? because someone put half the ram where it should go. Maybe it's a blessing that in the first two years the Amiga was not even a mass market computer at all.
 
No one can be blamed for the death of the Amiga except Commodore themselves, and not Gates or Job.

You surely know about the movie Star Trek IV, and the scene where Scotty famously says "hello computer!" It turns out he was speaking to a Mac. I have been told that the computer for this scene was supposed to be an Amiga 1000 but Commodore asked for a lot of money to have the computer in the movie while Apple was happy to freely give the Mac with keyboard and mouse for a free product placement.
Can't be more stupid.

About the nice display of word processor, other computers have done this nicely before, starting with the Apple II, Apple IIGS.
 
I've heard the ST:IV Amiga story before but I doubt that it's true. The Amiga is surrounded by myths.
About the nice display of word processor, other computers have done this nicely before, starting with the Apple II, Apple IIGS.

That's not true. The Apple II series uses the exact same eyeball-destroyovision 15Khz television monitors as the Amiga did in it's first five years, complete with blocky non-square pixel text.
 
Yes about Star Trek IV, according to my best research on the internet, that's Kirk Thatcher, the punk getting vulcan nerve pinched in the bus and also associate producer for the movie, who told this once, and he also wrote the gag with the mouse because he enjoyed the mouse of the new Mac he had at the time. Could have worked too with the A1000 mouse.

The Apple II, i have the green phosphore monitor for the Apple IIe and i find it pretty good for text, but it depends what your eyes can stand.
 
I think this is kind of a silly theory as the Amiga was not pushed at the same markets the PC was to any serious degree, and frankly, was not all that suited to.

The Job of a PC was to display some word processor or data crunching spreadsheet prog in a clear and legible font on a screen that didn't cause eye strain. This was it's party piece, and the first Amiga to do that out of the box took five years to arrive.

For the first two years you couldn't even install a hard drive or second floppy drive into the Amiga's case - why? because someone put half the ram where it should go. Maybe it's a blessing that in the first two years the Amiga was not even a mass market computer at all.
@kyle_b, OK, if we're going to go linear, we can. At launch, the 1000 had all the elements but lacking design. Today I look at my A1000 case and I do think it is a beautiful computer externally. However, I am not fond of the function as you note and did all I could to squeeze a more livable Amiga 1200 motherboard inside the case while maintaining originality. We certainly desire some improvements on this 1st version of the Amiga.

However, we must remember that when the Amiga 1000 dropped, a hard drive was an incredibly expensive luxury. Even 5 years later, in 1990 a 20MB around half the price of the A1000 at launch. Every computer was floppy based in 1985, and this one could do quite a bit in that configuration. Not only could it multitask but it could do colour out of the box and the floppy was a massive 880kb capacity - huge at the time in 1985. When I later got the A590 with the 20MB drive, I backed it up onto 2 10-pack boxes of floppies - WOW! Talk about floppy capacity value considering how much 2 boxes of DD Floppies cost vs. a 20MB HDD. When it launched, the A1000 was a very capable machine.

Software makes the platform as we well know, and lack of the key productivity tools forced business to bypass the Amiga as a choice, even if the pricing was very good. Microsoft not developing for Workbench was a key reason that would force people to the PC. To be fair, Microsoft obviously targeted IBM and OS/2 much more, but by no means was the strategy different for Amiga, and Amiga was a much weaker target than IBM.

But let us get out of the 80s. 90s is key. We have a weak 486DX CPU which is aged and outdone by the 68040, and Amiga/Commodore are locked out of using it for a year? Apple launches it exclusively in the Quadras in 1991 and Amiga can't touch the CPU until end of 1992. This is HUGELY consequential. And hugely beneficial for Apple. Apple forges the basis of an exclusive relationship with Motorola here for CPUs, which alows them to expand that exclusivity even further with PowerPC.

So, yes, Bill Gates is one of the ones to blame, because of his decision to strangle the platform with lack of software. And yes Steve Jobs is one of the ones to blame because of starving the platform of a key CPU evolution at a key time. And yes the C= management was incompetent. However, over time I have learned that incompetence is often an excuse for a by-design effort. By now we have seen enough extremely bad executive behaviour, from very racist behaviour at Amazon and Starback to criminal behavour at eBay and others, all resulting in court judgments against these companies. And I'm starting to wonder if there was maybe sabotage from within at Commodore. It seems that the employees felt it was so.

Anyhow, Bill Gates is one of the faces I see in my mind when I think of fall of this beautiful Amiga flatform, and yesterday was the day he fell off his mountain and damaged his legacy with extremely distasteful choices. RIP: Bill Gates Reputation.

Amiga - a female friend in Spanish...karma is really something, ain't it Bill?
 
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Your argument is that bill gates was actively strangling the amiga by refusing some sort of obligation to write software for it, and your proof of this is your own belief in it. This is tautological and not a healthy way to write a history of a subject.
 
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Your argument is that bill gates was actively strangling the amiga by refusing some sort of obligation to write software for it, and your proof of this is your own belief in it.

That's not how history works!
Can you help me download the Microsoft Office for Amiga please?
Can you advise how Workbench was not a direct competitor to Windows on MS competitor chart?
Can you remind us how a court didn't rule on a case that started in '98 that Microsoft market actions were unlawful monopolization?
Can you convince us that this case was the first such act internally, or did it expose a pattern of active business strategy to date?
 
None of those questions actually address the criticism; you aren't using evidence to determine historical narrative, you're making up a persecutory narrative and then treating your own belief in it as proof it itself that it is true.

When challenged only then do you reach backwards for evidence to support it, and lacking any, you instead reach for statements that neither prove nor disprove what you're claiming, and then acting as though them not disproving you means that they prove you right.

You aren't being rational and so there's no point to continue to entertain this.
 
@kyle_b, I'm being perfectly logical and focusing on the business strategic actions by Microsoft.

Amiga, with a 5 million user install base was by no means the market share leader to demand Microsoft focus. However, while that decision to not develop/offer Microsoft business application for the Amiga platform was squarely not the primary reason, it was certainly intentional. I will not stretch my reasoning to the point that it was unintentional consequence, because everything Microsoft did was intentional, analyzed, thought out. There is no way that Amiga install base and market share wasn't evaluated, and position on how to address the platform not considered by Microsoft. The decision to not address it was therefore absolutely intentional, by design and with a purpose to starve the platform of well known business software. That it was a platform AND a Windows-like operating system, a competitive decision 2-for-1 was an unintentional bonus for Microsoft to further motivate not addressing the platform with anything but an occasional game perhaps.

If you think that any decision made by Microsoft in that period was not strategy focused to gain maximum market control, or unintentional, or coincidental, I regret to inform you that you are being irrational. Also, those are the motivations of every Big Tech company, even today.
 
Personally id say they were destroyed from the inside out by deliberately bad corporate management (get one bad apple in and he then gets his mates in)....the playbook has been used time and time again for years....see Toy's R Us, Target. Sears....all taken down the same way.

Bad managment = deliberate bad decisions
Company in trouble = im not saying it happened at Commodore (get "consultants" in) more bad decisions made
Mangement start to strip the company paying themselves bonuses, rises etc etc.
External attack starts with short selling the stock to put it in a death spiral.

Company goes out of business...
 
Bad managment = deliberate bad decisions
Yes, there is no disagreement there. Could be there were inside individuals who were bought and paid for too. Double agents if you will.

But let us not overlook that the attack was also external. Apple of course did plenty of damage by getting Motorola to withhold the important 68040 from Commodore for a full year. FOUR QUARTERS, which really is more like 6+, because you're going to have disadvantage a quarter ahead as Apple announces the product prior to launch at MacWorld and people stop buying yours in anticipation of this new powerful thing. And you're not going to get up to crazy sales once you get going because your 68040 competitor has a year head-start along with all types of applications that utilize the new CPU ability as well while you're now shipping a Me-Too CPU...late. And Microsoft, via proxy PC-Compatibles using the 486DX CPU and Windows 3.1 launch, which happens to drop 6 months before Amiga 4000 68040 machines with non-Windows OS. What desire does Microsoft, supposed maker of productivity application have to support Amiga? None. In fact...Let's take it down! And to put a cherry on this cake, right after Commodore ships Amiga 4000 68040, Intel drops the Pentium CPU just short 5 months later.
 
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Microsoft made AmigaBASIC.
Yeah in 1985 for up to OS 1.3. A non-strategic piece of software that gets MicroSoft into Commodore HQ for meetings...as a strategic software vendor. They get to sniff around, see what's going on, on the inside. Meanwhile, scheming how to make sure this Workbench doesn't dare get any traction. Let us not pretend that after that MS-DOS stunt with IBM MicroSoft didn't know how important OS foundation and domination in OS was. So...this AmigaBASIC was a tentacle into Commodore, not a support piece in my view. 1990 rolls around and things get real and MicroSoft finds a new gear: Monopoly.
 
There was also a version of MSDOS licensed with Amiga bridgeboards. Was it 3.3? By now i run MSDOS 6.22 of course.
 
MS-DOS, important, but overall not that consequential in my view at that point. There were a few PC DOSes for starters. And clearly we're entering GUI driven OS era here and when Amiga drops, MicroSoft is behind in the game. Big time.

Let us put this on a calendar.
Amiga 1000 comes out July 23rd, 1985.
Microsoft comes out with Windows 1.0 November 20th, 1985.

Now, obviously I don't know, but it is not out of realm of possibility that Bill sees Workbench at launch, or perhaps gets a sniff of it from someone a few months earlier and develops a new product road map for a GUI driven OS, which is now 100% the focus of market share push for MicroSoft. Look at Windows 1.0 and I see plenty of Workbench. Commodore obviously new this well too. They even give us GEOS year or two after Amiga. Also, I see an executable which with a decent team and some resources could absolutely be done in the gap between when Bill sees the Amiga 1000 and Workbench in July 23 and Nov 20th. That's 4 months to deliver a working Windows 1.0 and start a path which obviously would identify Workbench as a competitor and one which cannot be allowed to gain traction. Therefore, Microsoft must do what it can so it doesn't get that traction. No entrenched features like multitasking or deeper integration, just a program that runs on top of MS-DOS, but Bill clearly knows where the future is after Amiga is seen by the world.

Again, this licensing of MS-DOS to Commodore with Bridgeboards, is just another piece that gets MicroSoft into Commodore HQ as a "trusted vendor" to sniff around. Also, Bill leaves Commodore HQ meeting after seeing the Bridgeboards and what does he say? I imagine it could something like: "These Commodore guys are obviously not 100% confident in their AmigaWorkbench gaining traction. They're hedging their bets with a whole PC-hardware kit attached to it. It gives us a side-by-side opportunity to edge out Workbench on their own machines." Think back to your Bridgeboards and your PC Task use. What's the first thing you wanted to do? Run windows? Please please please Windows 3.0...Windows 3.1...run! I need that 286 speed at the very least...gotta get that A2286AT ASAP for my A2000.

And what do we find out last 48 hours? We find out about all the philanthropy Bill Gates appears to have been researching with Epstein. The very Bill that certainly put a target on the Amiga, in my humble personal view.
 
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