Electric vacuum desoldering pump

[protek]

I've been considering getting a desoldering gun with electric vacuum to be able to desolder chips and other stuff with lots of pins.

Has anyone experience of the desoldering gun behind the link? Wouldn't really want to spent much money into this and the one in the link would appear to fulfill my needs.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electric-...Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item232d6289e3

 

[Bryce]

No, but it looks mighty uncomfortable to hold. Looks like it would be a pain to use. Normally the pump is in the station, not in the grip of the iron.

Bryce.

 

[Chinners]

I've tried it's cheaper brother:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331097612085

and that was a waste of money

For most PCB work, I found the nozzle/heating tip was far too chunky, and it took far too long to melt the solder.

 

[protek]

No, but it looks mighty uncomfortable to hold. Looks like it would be a pain to use. Normally the pump is in the station, not in the grip of the iron.

Yes it might be uncomfortable. It looks like a handheld SMD rework tool modified to suck instead of blow and the nozzle is heated instead of the air that is blowed.

On the other hand a desoldering station costs twice as much.

 

[roy_bates]

dont buy the first one, and dont buy the second one either.

1.there not temp controlled.(max temp all the time)
2.some models have a habit of spitting out the hot solder on return.(they dont use a pump)



better off paying more for one with proper control and a real pump.

 

[Chinners]

dont buy the first one, and dont buy the second one either.

1.there not temp controlled.(max temp all the time)
2.some models have a habit of spitting out the hot solder on return.(they dont use a pump)

better off paying more for one with proper control and a real pump.

I wouldn't trust the first one after experience with my cheaper one.

One good thing about mine was, when I got angry with it, and threw it into the garden, solder did spray everywhere, and I had a partially bejazzled fence for a week or two.

 

[roy_bates]

dont buy the first one, and dont buy the second one either.

1.there not temp controlled.(max temp all the time)
2.some models have a habit of spitting out the hot solder on return.(they dont use a pump)

better off paying more for one with proper control and a real pump.

I wouldn't trust the first one after experience with my cheaper one.

One good thing about mine was, when I got angry with it, and threw it into the garden, solder did spray everywhere, and I had a partially bejazzled fence for a week or two.

but honestly,they do spit the solder back out after a short while the first one uses a plunger on a solenoid with no way of catching what it sucks up the shaft.
so on return the shaft actually spits it back out

the reason the de-solder guns are so expensive is there temp controlled,they have real one way pumps,and they have filters in them to catch the solder.



also lads...theres a old saying,cheap tools are a false economy.
they do a crap job,they can ruin work and cost you more in the long run dont waist your money.
a more expensive tool will last longer,do a better job and cost you less in the long run.
if used properly,wont destroy your work.or other equipment or the thing your working on.cheap ones will.

 

[fitzsteve]

also lads...theres a old saying,cheap tools are a false economy.
they do a crap job,they can ruin work and cost you more in the long run dont waist your money.
a more expensive tool will last longer,do a better job and cost you less in the long run.
if used properly,wont destroy your work.or other equipment or the thing your working on.cheap ones will.

What he said

 

[protek]

Thanks for your insight guys!

Probably should start saving up for one of these then...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DURATOOL-...Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item540259c5ea

 

[UberFreak]

In the past I worked as a repair technician in several labs & had experience with various models of electronic solder pumps.
I would only consider two models:

1) Den-on SC7000Z
http://www.denondic.co.jp/en/doc_sc7000z.php
This one is expensive but in my opinion is the absolute best, hands down.
Best lab tool I ever used. Last lab I worked at had two units that worked around the clock for ~10 years with minimal maintenance.
Very strong pump, accurate temp control & the ability to reverse the pump direction & use as hot-air gun with a special nozzle.

2) Hakko 808
http://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_808.html
This one is considerably cheaper but still very good, I bought one myself.

Dont get the cheap Chinese stuff, they work poorly & dont last long!

 

[tbtorro]

After doing a great deal of solder re-work, I strongly advise against buying cheap desoldering equipment. Re-work (and de-soldering multi-pin components such as CPUs) is a very challenging task to do properly even with professional temperature controlled equipment, and requires a good amount of soldering skills, and knowledge of solder types, temperatures etc.. It's quite easy to burn the PCB, lift solder pads, or otherwise damage the work piece. Also the component holes on old PCBs tend to clog even if the component removal was successful, due to old residues, and the mixing of leaded and lead free (RoHS) solder.

So without good skills, good equipment and supplies best to leave chip removal to pro services - for example with a semi-automatic hot air station, with the right nozzle and kapton tape, CPU removal takes about 5 minutes and it's almost risk free.

This could be OK with the right skills for small de-solder tasks, say the removal of DIP16s.. Then again for those jobs a wick or a simple pump would be enough.

 

[stachu100]

also lads...theres a old saying,cheap tools are a false economy.
they do a crap job,they can ruin work and cost you more in the long run dont waist your money.
a more expensive tool will last longer,do a better job and cost you less in the long run.
if used properly,wont destroy your work.or other equipment or the thing your working on.cheap ones will.

100% true here.
Cheap and crappy tools can cost you a fortune at the end.
I'm using good equipment (not professional though) for about 10 years now. And it's worth every penny I paid.

If you are expecting to do casual job (2-3 times per year) I think it's better to ask someone experienced with proper tools for help and pay extra than risking damage.

And also the best toll is worthless if used by unexperienced technician.
If you do something 2-3 times per year you will not be good in that.

Unexperienced person + crappy tools = problems.
See here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/110121921198567459630/BlizzardPPCWs1968

https://picasaweb.google.com/110121921198567459630/Apollo

And maaaany more.... :-(

Regards,
Stan

 

[roy_bates]

also lads...theres a old saying,cheap tools are a false economy.
they do a crap job,they can ruin work and cost you more in the long run dont waist your money.
a more expensive tool will last longer,do a better job and cost you less in the long run.
if used properly,wont destroy your work.or other equipment or the thing your working on.cheap ones will.

100% true here.
Cheap and crappy tools can cost you a fortune at the end.
I'm using good equipment (not professional though) for about 10 years now. And it's worth every penny I paid.

If you are expecting to do casual job (2-3 times per year) I think it's better to ask someone experienced with proper tools for help and pay extra than risking damage.

And also the best toll is worthless if used by unexperienced technician.
If you do something 2-3 times per year you will not be good in that.

Unexperienced person + crappy tools = problems.
See here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/110121921198567459630/BlizzardPPCWs1968

https://picasaweb.google.com/110121921198567459630/Apollo

And maaaany more.... :-(

Regards,
Stan

i hope you was able to fix these mistakes mate.

ive probably said this a few times already,as you have as well and will probably agree.
it takes seconds to destroy a piece of hardware even with the right tools,if anyone cant or is not sure about doing the work.for gods sake get someone else to do it.
in the long run equipment like these cards and computers are very expensive and it just isent worth it to destroy them by mistake,i have seen it myself so many times and puts me right off helping people who do this.

 

[stachu100]

BPPC was saved , Apollo's are waiting in the queue. Maybe someday...

 

[roy_bates]

BPPC was saved , Apollo's are waiting in the queue. Maybe someday...

im glad mate.

i had a card a few months ago were the cpu was half unsoldered and it was hanging off the board by 45 degrees(pins were half in half out) and half the parts were missing.
and the pcb was scorched from heat.
so i bought it.the seller was so scared of what he did he had to sell it,he thought it was a right off.

i went ahead and converted it,the card is now working,its not for the faint of heart as you know.

 

[ShambleS1980]

i have wanted to get a desoldering station for a while.
doing it manually with a solder suction pump + iron then de solder braid + flux is really time consuming but atleast with that i have practice and know what im doing..

i wouldnt like to pay money for equipment that i would simply stop using after a while due to being able to do it better the old way.
but it is really time consuming, solder braid runs out, and the silly pumps need to be cleaned out lots. (i do find a tiny amount of grease in the pump helps to make the solder form a solid mass so it dosent spit itself back out)

the pumps that have no heat are a pain though as you have to be quick. but there is that quickchip stuff that some how keeps the solder flowing for much longer after you have heated it than flux alone would have.

id imagine if its not something you do constantly then prehaps quick chip and a pump would be the best option.

but if your me. your never going to be able to justify the costs of a reliable de-soldering station when you can do it the old school way.

 

[protek]

Too bad no one manufactures a hollow standard sized tip with separate electric vacuum pump that you could put on place of a regular tip in your soldering station. Perhaps even with a pistol handle that clips on the iron handle and has trigger for pump.

 

[scrappysphinx]

I have one of these

So far i've used it to remove ic's on Sega consoles and Commodore 64 (for upgrade to jiffy dos). Took me a little while of practicing on old boards to get stuff right but it does the job once i got used to it.

 

[merlinkv]

I have one of these

So far i've used it to remove ic's on Sega consoles and Commodore 64 (for upgrade to jiffy dos). Took me a little while of practicing on old boards to get stuff right but it does the job once i got used to it.

I have the same and is a good one.

I have not tried with CPU's but it works great with caps, DIP ICSs, RAM sockets, .....