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I'd owned my Peugeot 406 Exec Turbo for close to 10 years. I loved that car. It was reliable, fun to drive, had good performance and all the executive extras you get for that model.

Some people avoid Peugeot and other French makes because they think they are badly built and brake down all the time. This hasn't been my experience at all.

Sadly the car was now over 12 years old (April 1998 R reg) and had reached 154K on the clock. The MOT was coming up in August and I knew the rear brake discs would need replacing, plus some other bits from the advisory from the year before, and the clutch biting point had got a bit low so that might have needed doing shortly. So best to part exchange it now than have to spend more than the car was worth to get it through an MOT.

I like the 406 a lot so first thought of just getting a newer one. An end of model 53 plate, and I'd always wanted to own the 3.0 V6 so was on the search for one of those. A couple of Estate versions appeared but I really wanted the rarer saloon. Then one appeared about a week ago. I popped along to have a look as the images online looked like it was OK. But on getting to the garage they had the engine running and a guy quickly trying to valet it (I had rung in the morning to check it was still available). Any car already running rings alarm bells. Was it hard to start from cold? Flat battery? Smoky? etc.. and on looking around the car it had a lot of bashes and dents. One of the front fog lights was smashed and the passenger wing mirror missing its coloured cover. The engine also sounded not quite right. I then noticed a large scrap all the way down the driver's side under the detail strip on the doors, and was quite a bad dent, ending at the rear wheel arch. My own 406 was in near perfect condition, and this one I was looking at was knackered to say the least. Amazing how bad condition it was when you consider mine had done 154K and this one supposedly 62K and 5 years newer.

So off home I went...

On the way home I had to pop into somewhere and remembered a little independent car sales place a friend had bought his cars from over the years. I popped in there and asked if they had any 406's, to which he said no as they were hard to get hold of a good one as people tended to hang on to them. But he then mentioned they had just taken delivery of a 407 Exec 2.0 HDi 136 Auto.

I wasn't really looking for an HDi or an automatic. Instead out to find a manual, and either a 2.2 or 3.0 V6 petrol, but thought I would take a look anyway when it arrived the following day.

The next day I went to look at the car and it was in perfect condition, full PSH, and drove very nicely. And for a diesel it had enough power, especially as I mainly do motorway driving anyway, so I was convinced and decided to go for it.

So I'm now the owner of a 55 plate Peugeot 407 Executive 2.0 HDi 136 Auto in black with black leather interior. And it has the top spec with the RT3 9" display and the JBL sound system with sub and 6 disc auto changer. The previous own had also had a Bury Bluetooth system fitted into the car's system and that works very nicely too.

I collected the car last Friday and did have one issue. On leaving work the battery was dead. I had to ring the AA who came quickly and tested the battery and found it at the end of its life, so I had to get that replaced. Luckily the AA had sent a battery recovery truck and he had one for my car on board and it included a 3 year warranty. I probably would had replaced the battery soon anyway so it wasn't too much bother and I do now know it is good.

It is taking a bit to get used to driving an automatic, as I still prefer manuals, but for what I need it is great and I'm so far very pleased. The garage did a new MOT and full service on it before collection too, so that's another expense not needed for another year, for the MOT, and another 20K until the next service. :)
 

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Some people avoid Peugeot and other French makes because they think they are badly built and brake down all the time. This hasn't been my experience at all.
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Sadly the car was now over 12 years old (April 1998 R reg) and had reached 154K on the clock.

Oh you guys are so spoiled. My last car (nissan sunny sr) was a 1993 model (sold last year) and had 190k on the clock, still the guy who bought it weleded the rust and sold it on. So it probably will have many years on its back. My sisters car is a toyota with over 700k on the clock and it's going strong - no plans to replace it. early 1990 as well.
 

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Nice story Harrison. Technically, the dealer you bought the car from is responsible for the duff battery. Perhaps you could present them with the Bill from the AA & get your beer tokens back. ;)

Happy driving m8y. (y)

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/Merlin tempts Harrison with a free tanker load of used chip fat from Oop North, to run his oil burner on..... :mrgreen:
 

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Sounds to me like it would have just been cheaper to get the 406 sorted out than piss money away on a newer car. I mean sure, you might think "oh well, getting this fixed will cost more than it's worth", but that doesn't matter. What does matter is the amount of money it costs you to own and drive a car, total. NOT what the lump of metal in your driveway is "worth". It's a bloody car, not stocks and shares. You're never going to get your money back out of it, so try to minimise the cost.

Also, Every Pug including and after the 206 is bloody hideous. Sorry mate, but if I felt like swapping a 406 for anything it'd be a 406 coupe.

Oh and of course a Diesel "Has enough power", that's kind of the point. Diesels are torque kings.
 

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if you kept the car long enough you could get your money back eventually, i've made money on quite a few cars i've owned over the years :p


Sounds to me like it would have just been cheaper to get the 406 sorted out than piss money away on a newer car. I mean sure, you might think "oh well, getting this fixed will cost more than it's worth", but that doesn't matter. What does matter is the amount of money it costs you to own and drive a car, total. NOT what the lump of metal in your driveway is "worth". It's a bloody car, not stocks and shares. You're never going to get your money back out of it, so try to minimise the cost.

Also, Every Pug including and after the 206 is bloody hideous. Sorry mate, but if I felt like swapping a 406 for anything it'd be a 406 coupe.

Oh and of course a Diesel "Has enough power", that's kind of the point. Diesels are torque kings.
 

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Also, Every Pug including and after the 206 is bloody hideous. Sorry mate, but if I felt like swapping a 406 for anything it'd be a 406 coupe.

Oi! I've got a Pug 1007 1.6 Sport, are you dissing my motor...?? :mad:

Inquiring minds would like to know what car Hell Labs drives.....:nod:
 

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It's a bloody car, not stocks and shares. You're never going to get your money back out of it, so try to minimise the cost.

Not true.

I bought a 2004 54 Audi A6, top spec "final edition", 1.9tdi (Colour Sat Nav/ TV, CD multichanger, full leather, automatic etc...) in January 2009 for £9500. I took out a loan of £10,000 to pay for it, and to cover off a small credit card debt I had at the time.

The car is immaculate, and only has 45000 miles on it. Finance outstanding on the car is less than the sale value*, which means I have made money on it, whilst enjoying 18 months of executive motoring.

*We Buy Any Car valuation, typically lower than market value, is more than the outstanding finance. Autotrader/ ebay classified prices vary but tend to be a good £1000 higher than the WBAC valuation. So in effect, if I do well with a sale, I could make a four figure profit and cover any interest I've paid in the last 18 months.

Obviously, that's not withstanding the servicing, insurance, fuel and tax costs. But even factoring them in, I'm satisfied that I still come out in profit ;)

I should point out though that the car was worth easily more than £9500 when I bought it (probably nearer £12000), so the profit has as much to do with my negotiation skills as anything else! :D

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Also, Every Pug including and after the 206 is bloody hideous. Sorry mate, but if I felt like swapping a 406 for anything it'd be a 406 coupe.

Oi! I've got a Pug 1007 1.6 Sport, are you dissing my motor...?? :mad:

Inquiring minds would like to know what car Hell Labs drives.....:nod:

Yeah actually, you drive a chode van. Even the real cars they make are as bad, hell I saw a pug the other day with the bumper fitted INSIDE the monsterously huge grille. And have you seen that new offroader? I saw it on a billboard and thought it was a pisstake at first.

It's dark so I can't take a photo for you, but I own a mk1 celica in black:

Celica_ra28.jpg


Just got that off google, a good match but I've got different wheels and no window tint. This car kicks ass. Only a 1.6 but good enough till I've got enough money to swap a 302 in or a Rover V8.

@AndyC, there are exceptions to the rule. But a peugeot isn't. I'd love to see a cost breakdown of your car though.
 

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..Technically, the dealer you bought the car from is responsible for the duff battery. Perhaps you could present them with the Bill from the AA & get your beer tokens back. ;)..

My thoughts exactly! I need them to sign the V5 before I can send it off (as they forgot to do that the other day), so I'm popping into their office tomorrow anyway, and will be taking the AA Bill with me...
 

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Sounds to me like it would have just been cheaper to get the 406 sorted out than piss money away on a newer car...

Also, Every Pug including and after the 206 is bloody hideous. Sorry mate, but if I felt like swapping a 406 for anything it'd be a 406 coupe.

I do like the 406 coupe, but I need more room and 4 doors so it was out of the question. I would have gone for a 3.0 V6 coupe if it had suited my needs as they are nice cars. Although finding one that hasn't been badly treated is now quite hard. There are so many knackered ones listed on autotrader at the moment.

As for repairing my 406. Yes that was a possibility I had considered. However, the bits needing doing shortly would easily have added up to over £800, which was about the current value of the car.

Oh and of course a Diesel "Has enough power", that's kind of the point. Diesels are torque kings.

I wasn't really referring to torque. I'm not into caravanning... ;) It was more a reference to BHP and 0-60 times. My old 406 was a 2.0 Petrol turbo super chipped to just under 200BHP and could manage 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds. The 407 HDi is the 136 variant and can manage 0.60 in about 9.5-10 seconds, so I do notice the difference. But on motorway driving the turbo works nicely for overtaking and the kick-down makes the engine pick up speed nicely so that's good.

And if I get bored of slightly less power there is the option of getting it chipped to 170BHP... ;)
 

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As for repairing my 406. Yes that was a possibility I had considered. However, the bits needing doing shortly would easily have added up to over £800, which was about the current value of the car.

...Did you miss the pit where I pointed out this didn't matter? If you'd have spent £800 on another identical car, or fixing this one it wouldn't matter, you'd still have a 406 that you really like. And it'd be cheaper than buying a in inbred looking thing with a big gob like you did. Cars are only worth the materials they are made of. What they cost, however, is a whole different thing.

I wasn't really referring to torque. I'm not into caravanning... ;) It was more a reference to BHP and 0-60 times. My old 406 was a 2.0 Petrol turbo super chipped to just under 200BHP and could manage 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds. The 407 HDi is the 136 variant and can manage 0.60 in about 9.5-10 seconds, so I do notice the difference. But on motorway driving the turbo works nicely for overtaking and the kick-down makes the engine pick up speed nicely so that's good.

And if I get bored of slightly less power there is the option of getting it chipped to 170BHP... ;)

Caravanning my arse. Race someone, then do it on a hill. Go on. Plus you've got to love the way you can do ten-twenty with your foot nowhere near the pedal.
 

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i must agree here, torque rocks!! more torque please, HP and 0-60 are all well and good but for real world driving......TTOOORRRQQQUUUEEEE!
have you ever seen a manufacturer get it's 0-60 time? it's funny, they actually kill loads of their cars finding that time:)
 

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agree, torque rocks!

I've gone from a diesel BMW 330d to a petrol 330i. I've gained around 70bhp, but lost around a squillion foot pounds of torque...

In nearly every day to day situation, the diesel would be faster. But sometimes that doesn't matter :D

AndyC, that car cost you money: you've not made a profit on it. Depreciation slows down on cars as they get older. Example: I bought my car three years ago by part exing my old car (worth 9k) and the new car is now worth about £13k but I'm paying no finance on it. Does that mean I've made 4k on the car? ;)

I'm tempted to buy something classic next to complement this car... A good clio williams is getting my attention right now :D
 

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hey! i thought you said a classic? lol

i do prefer older cars, but older modified cars are the kiddy!
i had an Escort like Hell labs' once, good fun, 20ltr pinto, and raised suspension, good giggle.

new cars leave me cold, well maybe not the new 458! drool
 

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Harrison,

You'll love the automatic after some time! I took a gamble and have it already for 2 years in my opel vectra.

It is real easy. If you smoke or like to phone-call its very handy, meaning you have one hand free. It switches back from 6'th to 3'th if needed etc.. I like the kick down effect..

Just keep one leg "dead" to "learn" it. Oh and when you get out don't forget to put it in the P stand, I forgot it once and eh ... (the car moves on) :wooha:

congrats with the new car!
 

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Yeah actually, you drive a chode van. Even the real cars they make are as bad, hell I saw a pug the other day with the bumper fitted INSIDE the monsterously huge grille. And have you seen that new offroader? I saw it on a billboard and thought it was a pisstake at first.

It's dark so I can't take a photo for you, but I own a mk1 celica in black:

Celica_ra28.jpg


Just got that off google, a good match but I've got different wheels and no window tint. This car kicks ass. Only a 1.6 but good enough till I've got enough money to swap a 302 in or a Rover V8.

@AndyC, there are exceptions to the rule. But a peugeot isn't. I'd love to see a cost breakdown of your car though.

A chode van? :wooha: Well, maybe that's better than driving a snide Ford Mustang wannabe, with comedy ride height and max gappage between the wheels and arches, looking at that Celica side-on... I hope that your wheels fit better than those do.....:whistle:
 

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oh Merlin, Merlin, Merlin, I am sooooo disappointed with you, you were baited and then you retaliated, this is how flame wars start and you should know better! lolololol:LOL:
now say sorry and put your toys back in the pram:p

(only joshing wiv ya m8)




Yeah actually, you drive a chode van. Even the real cars they make are as bad, hell I saw a pug the other day with the bumper fitted INSIDE the monsterously huge grille. And have you seen that new offroader? I saw it on a billboard and thought it was a pisstake at first.

It's dark so I can't take a photo for you, but I own a mk1 celica in black:

Celica_ra28.jpg


Just got that off google, a good match but I've got different wheels and no window tint. This car kicks ass. Only a 1.6 but good enough till I've got enough money to swap a 302 in or a Rover V8.

@AndyC, there are exceptions to the rule. But a peugeot isn't. I'd love to see a cost breakdown of your car though.

A chode van? :wooha: Well, maybe that's better than driving a snide Ford Mustang wannabe, with comedy ride height and max gappage between the wheels and arches, looking at that Celica side-on... I hope that your wheels fit better than those do.....:whistle:
 
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