Is it really worth buying the real machine anymore ?

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I keep asking myself the question everytime i buy an old machine and not just Amiga. Emulation has come a long way over the years and every emulator is at minimum 95% like the real thing and runs the stuff we all know and love.

So is it really worth going through all the hassle and money to buy old machines any more ?
 
I personally don't like software emulators at all. I'd much rather use the real thing whenever possible (so long as it's available and I can afford it).
 
In my case only if it's an Amiga - there should be background music to that :D :D

Although I've owned lots of different computers my true love is the Miggy and that's the only one that I use on real hardware and buy bits for.

The rest I'm quite happy to mess about with under emulation.

Dave G :cool:
 
Each time i deliver one the feeling is incredible.
Each time i observe it, the lines look so smooth and modern.
Each time i touch it, i feel like a teenager all over again.
Oh yes it is worth buying these beauties!
 
I like to wach p**rn but I like the real thing better:thumbsup: Emulation = not real. I have winuae for testing and setup, dosbox just to have it..
 
If you do not own the real thing, all this is pointless and i think you can resign your amibay account immediatly :)
 
That's a personal taste obviously, but i like both.
However, there's lots of things an emulator won't let you do, no matter how well written it is. (can't run AMIX, OS 4.x, and anything that requires an actual MMU). I think it wouldn't help installing Amiga-flavor Linuxes either.
But it can help those in tight budget, if you just want to run games, or even plenty of apps that don't need the MMU.
And an emulation host is much better to torture for a modding project than your real Amiga! :)
 
If you only care about the old software then probably not.

If you enjoy tinkering with the old hardware then hell yes.
 
I keep asking myself the question everytime i buy an old machine and not just Amiga. Emulation has come a long way over the years and every emulator is at minimum 95% like the real thing and runs the stuff we all know and love.

So is it really worth going through all the hassle and money to buy old machines any more ?

I have genuine miggies, but emulate the speccy. For me, my Amiga adventure is all about the hardware I could never afford as a kid (although it's debatable as to whether I can afford it now, either!) -- I want to build an A4000 with a fast CPU card and a bunch of Zorro cards and pimp it out.

For the Spectrum, I love just playing some of my old favourite games, I do that under emulation because I could do without the pain of waiting four minutes for a game to load, only to see the machine crash once the game loaded. :( For me, my Spectrum experience is better than the original, instant save/load to disk is a big win, plus the ability to speed up/slow down the emulation can be handy.

So, horses for courses or something. I emulate a C=64 but wouldn't pass up a reasonably priced C=128D. I'm tempted by a Spectrum +3 if I can shoehorn an IDE interface on to it and save/load just like I do with the emulator.

For 'classic' Mac, I have an original iMac G3 running OS9.2 and hoping to get my A4000 running System 7.5 on an A-Max emulator board.

I haven't really dabbled much with other platforms. Still regret selling my RiscPC, but I never knew what to do with it anyway.
 
You still can't beat the real experience over emulation. There is just something about running software on real hardware that feels different to emulating it. That is unless you also emulate the hardware! ;)

Let me explain. for me "you can't beat the real experience" only applies to computers, and not games consoles. Console emulation can feel identical to the real hardware, and in many cases emulation can have advantages, for example as Andy mentions about load times, plus other things like save states, more save slots (plus easy backing up of save games) and network gameplay.

Plus if you can get hold of USB adaptors to use the original console controllers with an emulator it just won't feel any difference. For this reason I mostly emulate all 8-bit and 16-bit systems, and use usb adaptors to use original joysticks. But I do still enjoy playing on a real SNES due to the controller, bit when I finally get hold of a snes to usb adaptor this might change.

For newer systems emulation still isn't quite perfect enough to make the switch. N64, Saturn, DC, PS2 etc all still really need the real hardware, although N64 and DC emulation is now good enough to be able to play games and enjoy them, but some work is needed to make many games run well, so it isn't as seemless. If emulation for newer systems becomes more perfect and less tinkering is required to get certain titles to run well, then for me the emulation will take over the real hardware.

And other emulation breaths new life into old games. For example playing PSX games on a PSP or Xperia Play. The games graphics look a bit blocky and dated on a TV these days, but running on a handheld they look great and open up the whole back catalogue for a replay.

Also worth mentioning is MAME and arcade emulation in general. With a decent MAME cabinet setup, or just a decent arcade control panel like the X-Arcade, you can experience running the majority of arcade games ever released, perfectly emulated, and without the expense. For me MAME really does highlight the benefits of emulation and shows when emulation can be better than the real thing. Although for quite a few arcade machines with unique control setups you still don't get the same experience.

Emulation is also very important for preservation. Projects already exist to try and preserve the software from each system, but that is pointless without a way to run the software in the future. as systems get older it is becoming harder to find good working examples, and whilst the retro community to keep some of them going through repair, cap replacement etc... it will slowly become harder and harder to find working hardware as systems age. Emulation will then become the preservation tool to contine running this software and experiencing it into the future, so it is very important.

The perfect solution is hybrid emulation hardware, like the minimig. If system emulation is combined with custom hardware, new hardware can be created to continue experiencing the real systems, but on newer hardware. Utilising real retro hardware in combination with this is also another possibility, such as fitting a minimig inside a real A500, and using a keyrar to interface the real keyboard and mouse. Or a mini-itx pc inside a C64 with a keyrar interfacing the keyboard and joystick. It won' be the same as the real system, but much closer than just emulating it on a PC.

Innovation breaths new life into old platforms.

Regarding the Amiga... on many occasions I've looked at all my Amigas and overall collection, the room it all takes up, and consider how much time I actually spend using it all. Quite a few times I've considered just selling the lot and moving over to emulation, but I'm always stopped by the passionate link the Amiga has to its user. And as also said by Andy, the hardware I now own was a dream for me back in the day it was released and I could never afford at the time.

Only people who were a part of a systems time can really appreciate and understand the need to still own and use retro hardware. To everyone else it seems a bit strange, as they just use whatever is current to get the job done, or only want to play the current generation of games. They will never understand the attraction of retro hardware and gaming.
 
For me I prefer the real thing over emulation. This goes for consoles and computers. I understand why a lot of people like emulation. No mess and ease of access.

I am just anal and to me emulation does not capture the overall experience. I personally like to use the original controllers for consoles and the graphics just don't look right on a PC monitor. (WinUAE doesn't look too bad I must admit)

I have a CRT TV with a switchbox and every game console hooked into it. I am only missing 4 US released consoles. When it comes to computers I like to get them and try and upgrade them to the max. But when it comes to both computers and consoles, I try to find a solution to play roms vs. the real games for ease of access and because of limited storage space. WHDLoad on Amigas, Ultimate 1541 for C64, Powerpaks for my NES/SNES, Everdrives for my Sega consoles. etc etc

I used to be an emulation guy, but someone gave me a few consoles for free one day and I compared the experience on the real thing vs. the emulators and decided I preferred the real thing and that day I decided to start collecting consoles. Then one day a friend gave me an A2000 and after playing with that I decided to get an A4000. That made me want to start collecting computers as well. Now I have 2 Mac a new and an old, 2 Amigas, and 2 C64s. And I keep wanting more...it is a never ending and sometimes expensive hobby but I really enjoy it.

/ramble
 
I'd rather play the game as the game was meant to be played - on original hardware :thumbsup:


Plus 1 to that! :thumbsup:

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You still can't beat the real experience over emulation. There is just something about running software on real hardware that feels different to emulating it. That is unless you also emulate the hardware! ;)

Let me explain. for me "you can't beat the real experience" only applies to computers, and not games consoles. Console emulation can feel identical to the real hardware, and in many cases emulation can have advantages, for example as Andy mentions about load times, plus other things like save states, more save slots (plus easy backing up of save games) and network gameplay.

For me even games consoles should be real. Sure you can use the pads etc on a PC with emulation but the load times and such are part of an authentic experience. Theres also nothing like looking around your room and seeing stacks of games that you love in their true physical and original form. The feeling you get from slamming a cartridge or disk into a console and kicking back to relive your early years, seeing the console as you remember it sitting infront of you with a cold drink and some munchies at your side :D can't compare to emulation.
 
For me, my Amiga adventure is all about the hardware I could never afford as a kid (although it's debatable as to whether I can afford it now, either!)

Exactly my reason for owning Amiga hardware :D
 
For me, my Amiga adventure is all about the hardware I could never afford as a kid (although it's debatable as to whether I can afford it now, either!)

Exactly my reason for owning Amiga hardware :D

Same here, loving my latest aquisition - PC Engine (Core GrafX) Ok its real easy to emulate even on my GP32 but to play the real thing is almost like playing the real Arcade games :bowdown:

Have a feeling I'll end up with a Neo Geo soon :whistle:

Steve.
 
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