Lying to me makes me angry !

ShambleS1980

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Ok I recently bought an xbox 360 from the other bay, was faulty "open tray error" Easy fix so i made a best offer expecting a counter offer and the rest of the hull-a-balloo, to my suprize the offer was accepted within minuets.
The seller told me the xbox used to work just fine and that it only had open tray error.

So the thing arrived and i opend it up to find very perquliar goings on..
!st of all the guy had superglued the magnet that holds the dvd to the spindel motor. So i asked him about that and he claimed that he had seen a "fix" on youtube and had tried it.
Any way i hate you tube tutorials they are often bull so i belived him, and then i proceeded to remove all the super glue. Then i tried it again using one of my magnetic dvd holder downers so the case could stay off the dvd player. and noticed the motor was not really spinning fast enough so i checked it and again that was all stiff and messed up full of glue too..
So I spent some time losening that up and oiling it to a point where it span fast enough and got a "play DVD" message.. Now i was sceptical. so i emailed him again and asked if he had flashed or replaced the dvd drive. Again he said he had not and then went on to add that his friend tried to fix it too and did nit know what his friend had done but he would call him and check..
When he contacted me back he said that the drive was original and not flashed. So i bought a new dvd motor thinking that it was still stiff so probably still an issue.
Any way that arrived and again was play dvd error. So again i asked and told him he should just tell me straight up about any issues he had with the box. he insisted it was fine and just open tray error.
So i bought a new lazer for it and loe and behold play dvd. So i checked xbox live and the box was apparantly banned some where in 2010 or sooner for hardware modifications.
Whilst all this was going on i was updating my xbox forum about the situation. and out of no where this guys "father" arrived. to try and rectify the issue. He was telling me how his son had told me everything and how he would refund me any way and that i could keep the xbox. I told him if he didnt want the xbox back that i would accept a partial refund so he didnt end up out of pocket for the shipping costs to me, Any way he was being prety insistant that i was wrong about what was the issue with the xbox and posted links to a webpage regarding the open tray error. and said his son's live account had once been banned but never the console. he also stated a few other things and asked me to counter them.
I pointed out all the facts about the console and asked him how could the issue be if his son was telling the truth. I also pointed out that by supergluing things together the dvd drive had had a open tray error which is easier to sell compared to the play dvd error.
I stated that he had no way to know what was true other than by going from what his "son" was saying. and that personally i wouldnt really care provided they stood up and admitted what had happend.

he took that prety badly did not state any way how the console could have been banned for so long, did not adress any of my points he asked me to counter and said that i was accusing them of deliberatly doing something to get a sale. and that he would now refund the money when i sent the xbox back.
I said fine but im not sending it back untill you outline the conditions in the resolution center otherwize i can send it back and end up with no evidence that you agreed to it..

So now im getting my money back but No one stood up and admited what they had done. He may or may not be the persons father. he may or may not beluieve what he was saying was true. But no matter what any one said the console was banned a long time ago for hardware modification The drive was superglued together which just happend to emulate a easy fix. and when teh facts were presented the attitude of the person changed entierly and they stoped responding.
Honestly i couldn't care less about the money. But i do care about disshonest sellers who refuze to change theiere story even when all the evidence coontradicts them.

I dont think this post truely portrays how agrivated this makes me.
But i had to outline what happend and try to keep it family friendly.
 
You did the right things to have your moneys back as I for one cant stand it when someone CONNING me or user as that is so wrong!

I am glad, You got moneys Back:thumbsup:
 
nice one mate but i wouldnt have gone through all that i would have just got a refund and got another one. thats why on here you know what you are buying and the sellers are very helpfull when you do have a problem
 
i really wouldnt have minded that much if they had just told me what had happend to the thing. but i guess it had gotten to the point where they had said one thing so much they didnt like to change the story.

I could have taken a full refund and kept the console if i had just droped the issue. but what they did not seem to comprehend and what i repetedly tried to explain was the simple fact that it was not the money that was the issue it was the fact that they did not stand up and admit what they had done.
Any way getting my money back and they can have the xbox back but they never admitted anything so im still frustrated about it.
 
This seems to happen to me alot whenever I get something that is described as 'slightly faulty. Often it's VERY broken but cant get a refund because it is sold as faulty. Despite nothing like the way it was described.

Although this has happened the other way round for me. I have sold stuff clearly marked faulty (and in detail) and I get forced to refund just because the person that buys it was expecting an easy fix.
 
Should have bought a working one, that way you could fix what was wrong with it :p. People putting stuff up on other bay 'cause the bin was full :nuts:
 
it could still be fixed because the glitch hack seems to have been ported over to the falcon now.
But honestly i wasnt paying more money just to be able to get the dvd key from the board when the guy insisted that the drive was original/had the correct key.
Like i said if I had droped the issue and not pointed out all the things that made it obvious that some one was lying, i could have kept the box and got my money back and fixed it with the refund.
But that was not the point.
Maybe im a little bit stupid in that regards. But i honestly rather'd the truth be known than the money back.
 
Were you not out of pocket by fixing the drive though? And as you got the drive working again have now not returned a fixed Xbox to the seller?
 
Personally I would have took the refund, kept the box and rested on the fact that some ebay sellers are not worth my time/effort and the hassle. NO matter who is in the right. There are some good but few and far between the gruff.

That old saying - never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

Original issue aside, I would refuse the box (file a significantly not as described case) due to it being banned which will corrupt your saves when transferring to a non banned console. Just a heads up
 
Were you not out of pocket by fixing the drive though? And as you got the drive working again have now not returned a fixed Xbox to the seller?


oh i put the old laser and drive motor back in the thing.
Im keeping the good ones i bought. No doubt they will come in useful.
The xbox is now definatly in better condition than when it arrived here. But the real issue still remains. wrong dvd drive or key. and the xbox is banned for hardware mods and was banned some where in 2010.

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Personally I would have took the refund, kept the box and rested on the fact that some ebay sellers are not worth my time/effort and the hassle. NO matter who is in the right. There are some good but few and far between the gruff.

That old saying - never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

Original issue aside, I would refuse the box (file a significantly not as described case) due to it being banned which will corrupt your saves when transferring to a non banned console. Just a heads up

More than likley i should have just said ok to the refund and kept the thing and said no more about it. But I have these really annoying things that just keep messing things up, i think people call them principals lol.
And one thing that really winds me up is denying things when its Blaitantly obvious.
I would have much preferd to bin the box get no money back but have them say something like..
"ok we lied we know about all those other problems and that its banned and stuff, but i thought i should deny it because i did not think you would notice the issue. sorry but i dont have the drive key either"
I mean at leasts its Kind of honest in away, I would have just said oh well lesson lernt, and moved on. and hopefuly the seller would think that telling the truth is inevitably better in the long run.

As for the refund. I already filed a not as discribed case. They thought because they had it marked as no returns i couldnt do that. But you can because its not as discribed. So its getting returned.
Both of us are going to be out of pocket because of it. They loose the ebay fees postage and pay pal fees they paid. and i lose return postage. the drive motor and lense isnt really a loss though as i still have them.

Seems like quite a lot of money when they could have had the shipping and paypal/ebay fees back from me by agreeing to the partial refund i offerd. And i would have saved the return postage and gained a xbox which i sould have striped the heatsinks off and sold to make up for the diference in the partial refund..

Some may disagree but Principals are expensive to keep lol!
 
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That was a pretty crappy situation. Seems to be happening more frequently than we like to think. Omitting what could be important facts is just as bad IMO.

A few months ago I picked up a RROD Xbox from that other place and got it at a decent price - it's just knowing what to look for. Got it. Tried it. Yep. RROD. No problem. Until I tried to open the drive tray. Eject button was faulty as well, although the drive worked fine. So I fixed the RROD and sold it on - at a loss despite the originally cheap price I paid for it.

Gave the guy a positive because, although it was an omission and almost certainly a deliberate one at that, the Xbox could still be used once the RROD issue was sorted. But I did make it clear that he should have mentioned the eject button issue.
 
I'm all for principles but there are some really dishonest and unscrupulous people in the world...as it happens you have lost out. I wouldn't send it back especially seeing as it is at your own personal expense.
 
c'est la vie

Eh? does mean C is the life or somethings....sorry if I am hopless in french! :lol:
 
Not to hijack the thread but:

I bought an Xbox 360 off of craigslist once and the seller stated "Has the standard RRoD, easy fix but I don't have the time or knowledge to do it." Price was $90. I asked the guy if he ever opened it to try any fixes, because I didn't want to deal with anyone's fix failures and I wanted everything stock. I can fix these things but not always after someone else failed to do so by using towel tricks, and clamp fixes damaging caps and etc. He swears to me that he never even opened it because he has no knowledge of these things. He also claimed that it was working fine a few days ago and has always operated perfect for years until a few days ago.

So I took a chance and bought it. Got the thing home and opened it before even trying to turn it on. First, I notice that the seal is broken. Ok...great. Once I get the board all the way out I see that he removed the little pads that help cool the memory and replaced them with stacks of pennies. Then I see that he performed the clamp fix and it was clamped on really tight. To the point that the board was a little bent. I took that all off and then noticed that a very large and deep scratch (probably from a screwdriver when removing the xclamps) was running down the middle of the board and one of the little smds in the scratches path were broken off. So I decided to turn it on to see what error it was getting. E80 which according to Microsoft's website means hardware damage.

I called the guy and told him what I found and his response was "I did try to fix it, but like I said, I have no knowledge of what i am doing." Idiot.

I asked for a refund because he was not honest, and he gave it to me. Then I explained to him that the problem is not easily fixable and he shouldn't try to sell it again unless he sells it for $20 or something and is honest about it. The next day I seen it back on craigslist which the exact wording from before on the ad.. Jerk.
 
c'est la vie

Eh? does mean C is the life or somethings....sorry if I am hopless in french! :lol:

basically means this is life.
or :censored: happens

---------- Post added at 19:10 ---------- Previous post was at 18:11 ----------

22/09/11 16:55 There was no one to receive the goods at the delivery point so a card was left.
22/09/11 06:38 These goods have been loaded onto a van for delivery today.
22/09/11 06:15 These goods have successfully arrived at the Depot ready for delivery.
21/09/11 18:49 These goods have been scanned at the collection Depot and are now on route to the delivery Depot.
21/09/11 14:31 These goods have been successfully collected and are on route to the collection Depot.
20/09/11 00:48 The collection Depot has received your instructions and a driver has been scheduled to make the collection.

I am so suprized that this person failed to be there to recive the item after 3-4 messages inforimg them of the delivery.
 
I was happy to see that today they accepted the delivery of the xbox, and not only did they refund my payment of £35 they also added an additional £10 to cover the return postage which they did not need to do.

My faith in evilbay is some what bolsterd now.
It was quite a stresful predicament but manly because some things agrivate me..
I would imagine that the person who sold the xbox has been reprimanded for selling it which to me atleast is more justice than to recive the refund. the £10 additional towards postage was a nice gesture and unexpected.
 
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