Paypal gift option

[mjnurney]

As I understand it , if we pay by paypal gift. The transaction cannot be refunded / claimed back in the event of dispute.

Perhaps the practice of using the gift option should no longer be recommended and we just pay extra to cover the fee.

The fee after all us shown before we hit the send money button so extra money can be added to cover the fee.

Just a thought.

Some sellers it seems are less honest than others although that's rare on Amibay.

Mike.

 

[AndyLandy]

As far as I'm concerned, it's up to the seller which methods of payment they'll accept. If you're unhappy about the methods they take, don't buy from them.

 

[mjnurney]

Yes that's true Andy but do people know the gift option isn't refundable ..

That's the only reason I mention it.

 

[bobsmith2012]

Is it because its a gift that its not refundable or because its a personal payment ?

 

[mjnurney]

As far as I know it works the same as a bank transfer in so much as if there is a problem , tough - the money has been transfered.

I was horrified when I transferred money to my brothers bank in Australia, the bank girl said if I get the account number wrong the money is lost and is not the banks fault.

Paypal gift is similar - but no refund if the goods you pay for don't arrive. In effect it's a transfer of money (gift)

Mike.

---------- Post added at 11:54 ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 ----------

I'm not passing comment on the honesty of sellers here , I'm just making people aware. I must admit I usually sell things and ask for payment as a gift to avoid losing the fee.

Perhaps asking the buying to cover the fees is a better way.

 

[keropi]

this matter is already been covered in AmiBay's rules , I pasted below the relative part:

Guidelines and advice

• Sending money
  It is recommended for your safety that all payments use a verifiable method of payment, e.g. PayPal, Nochex, etc. You could send postal orders, etc., if used in conjunction with recorded delivery but please note that postal orders and bank transfers cannot be reclaimed in cases of a dispute. Please remember that if you send money with PayPal as a “Gift” then you will not be able to launch a dispute if there is a problem.

 

[mjnurney]

Ah nice one I didn't see that

---------- Post added at 12:17 ---------- Previous post was at 12:01 ----------

Sits quietly at the back after stating the obvious :-(

 

[fitzsteve]

Hey MJ, it's always worth refreshing ourselves on these things and useful for new members, etc.

I always give my buyers the choice of paying 'Gift' or add 4% fee, PayPal does not show the fee to buyers, but 4% usually covers it unless there is a currency exchange in that case I might loose out .5% but I can live with that!

Of course I'm always happy to help out if my buyers have any issues, but I have paid gift in the past and not rec the item, needless to say I lost my money so it's worth considering if you need the extra peace of mind paying the extra few %

Steve.

 

[LTAC]

Yes that's true Andy but do people know the gift option isn't refundable ..

That's the only reason I mention it.

As you do not know how your items sold are really used, it is better to sell in GIFT mode.
Example:

• jumpers moved with the computer & expansion card that are power ON!!! Some IC chips mishandled without protections against ESD;
• etc...

...when you gave instructions and documentations to explain how to install and use these things.
The problem isn't they don't know how to use, but they do not want to read the manual or they think they already know everything. I don't blame them but it is not for you to pay serious errors they commit, especially if they do not respect the equipment and its use.

 

[fitzsteve]

Forcing buyers to use the 'gift' option so they have no refund rights is a little harsh I think. I know what you mean, there are people who will break things and want a refund or even scammers that will try to get a refund/return to replace a faulty item they already have.

I think it's a little dangerous for us to have no trust, after all that's what eBay is these days and we really don't want to be another eBay. We're a community and there should be some community spirit here too.

Steve.

 

[specialK]

pay via PayPal as normal purchase (goods\services) then make another payment as gift for the amount of fees incurred in the first transaction...

 

[Witcher1979]

pay via PayPal as normal purchase (goods\services) then make another payment as gift for the amount of fees incurred in the first transaction...

It does actually show the fees before pressing pay, so you can go back and add the fees, like mj said earlier. When you gift it it tells you the fee's you pay. So go back and add those fee's to a normal payment.

 

[ShambleS1980]

i usualy add like £3 as a rough estimate on fees..
I.E £64 gift or £67 if purchace goods.
It would also be £54 or £57
or even £24 or £27
but the things i sell are usualy £55-£65 and the £3 seems to cover it. Is not a big issue to me really but having said that i usually pay £2 more for the postage than the buyer pays me.
(1st time i did it i got a quote without vat added on, so it dosent seem fair to charge subsiquent buyers more for postage when i coverd the diference 1st time, that would be favouritism)

I also give people my home number when they agree to a deal, And i also tell people who arent from here that they have a choice, And that if they do the pay pal purchace goods that they are still coverd by the buyer protection..

And that reminds me that guy never did come post in the thread and leave feedback.
"wanders of to find some 1"

 

[fitzsteve]

pay via PayPal as normal purchase (goods\services) then make another payment as gift for the amount of fees incurred in the first transaction...

It does actually show the fees before pressing pay, so you can go back and add the fees, like mj said earlier. When you gift it it tells you the fee's you pay. So go back and add those fee's to a normal payment.

I don't think the Fee you pay on 'gift' is the same as the Fee payable by sellers on 'Goods'

I'm sure PayPal have their fee percentages listed on site.

Steve.

 

[Witcher1979]

Ah you might well be right then. I have never used that fee to guage anything.

 

[ChrisUnionNJ]

pay via PayPal as normal purchase (goods\services) then make another payment as gift for the amount of fees incurred in the first transaction...

It does actually show the fees before pressing pay, so you can go back and add the fees, like mj said earlier. When you gift it it tells you the fee's you pay. So go back and add those fee's to a normal payment.

I all ways check the I pay the fee's on gift it's like 10 cents on a $25 gift
but I only have to pay that for sellers out of country..
I have never seen what the fee's are on goods it has never displayed that
for me..

 

[mjnurney]

if you pay by GIFT then there is a box to tick for pay fees.

you could then go back and send payment as goods or whatever but NOT as gift and you'll know the fees, so add extra to the bill to cover it.

mike.

The payp image is as a GIFT
the paypp image is as goods (no option to pay fees)

 

[fitzsteve]

if you pay by GIFT then there is a box to tick for pay fees.

you could then go back and send payment as goods or whatever but NOT as gift and you'll know the fees, so add extra to the bill to cover it.

mike.

The payp image is as a GIFT
the paypp image is as goods (no option to pay fees)

As I said to Jimbo, I think they sellers fee for 'goods' is different to 'gift' fee for payee.

As you can see from PayPal's site, fee's can vary:

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/paypalfees.html

All the best,

Steve.

 

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