Question about ide68k board with CF Card for A500 rev. 6A

[8 Bit Dreams]

Hi,
a while ago my floppy drive on my A500 stopped to work, i was looking for a possibility to upgrade my Amiga and then i saw this topic with ide68k board & CF Card upgrade. Was very interested, cause don't wanted to mess with disks anymore. Actually i wanted the board from Kipper2k, but this user didn't answered on my emails nor on private messages, so i decided to buy one from Mika. The parcel arrived quickly. (don't want to say anything about quality, but there are so much possibilities to cut the connectors stright, man!)...
The problem is he did not included any information, not even told where should i solder the header, NOTHING! He sent just the board with CF adapter wrapped in toilet paper...icard
According to Kippers site i found where shold the header be, tryed out both variants for cables until i found the correct position...And then i started to search any information how to use it (why the person selling something can't provide any link? is it to complicated? No! Why? Why are You doing something like that? it can save so much time, and we should respect each other time!?!) Unfortunately i haven't found anything related to ide68k board for A500 & Workbench, so i watched this video. It's not what i looked for, but at least it explains how to install WB on CF Card.

I've installed Classic Wb 68k from here hoping that i've choosed the smallest version. Then i have installed WHDLoad, but i am still unable to load any game - it seems that there is not enough memory left.. I have just a normal A500 Rev. 6A board with a trapdoor 512Mb expansion board installed.

Please someone, who did this mod already, can You please point me where should i start, what should i read, what can i do with this piece of hardware? Without knowledge this expansion is useless for me.
My question is:
is it possible to use this board with WHDLoad, what WB version should i install? Do i need to upgrade my trapdoor RAM via JP2 & JP7? How can i upgrade my board to 2Mb to reach the minimum for the Classic WB?
Thanks

Cook

 

[Allen1]

Just to put this thread back in circulation as its on the last page at the moment I will reply with you really need the type of IDE/CF card that kipper2k is selling ie the one with the built in memory. I do not know if the one you bought also has memory built in but Kipper2ks memory is initiated when the computer is switched on whereas some other memory devices need you to tell the computer where it is etc to be able to access it.

Hopefully someone else will give a better response to your question, I have Kippers board and it is great its also in a rev 6a motherboard where I did the 1 meg chip ram upgrade (extra chips soldered to motherboard).

 

[velourfog]

It's this board right? http://www.mkl211015.altervista.org/ide/ide68k.html

It does not have any RAM built in, so WHDLoad will be really tricky.

 

[8 Bit Dreams]

Hi,
thanks for Your reply,
i have bought my board here:
https://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?7158-A500-IDE-adapters-PS-2-mouse-adapter-A600-CF-adapter
ide68k doesn't have built in memory, so it will be tricky to use it with WHDLoad... Actually I've spent a whole weekend with searching information about the possible ways to expand the memory. All I can say - I regret that I've bought this piece of hardware..
Can someone confirm will this work with WHDLoad if i mod my existing ram extension to fast mem?

Cook

 

[mkl]

Hi. Drying paper should be antistatic because of humidity, green packing material. Link to www info page should be somewhere in first post of for sale thread https://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?7158 edit:added direct link to ide68k on the www. The unevenly plier cut end in idecf adapter should mark pin 1 end.

 

[velourfog]

Sad to say it, but I think your best bet is to sell this card on and try to get the kipper2k card with 8MB or ACA500.

 

[demolition]

ide68k doesn't have built in memory, so it will be tricky to use it with WHDLoad... Actually I've spent a whole weekend with searching information about the possible ways to expand the memory.

I think it can be combined with most plain fast mem expansions like the one Kipper2k made (before he made the one that had both CF+fastmem). You could simply put the fast mem board lowest in the 68k CPU socket and then the IDE68k on top. I haven't tried it but I think it should work.

I have a Kipper2k 4MB fast mem expansion in my storage somewhere that I am not using any longer (was hardly used before I replaced it with the CF version). If someone could verify that it should work together with the IDE68k, then perhaps we can figure something out if you're interested.

For best success with WHDLoad, you should mod the trapdoor expansion to become chip mem so you end up with 1MB.
1MB chip + 4MB fast mem should make it possible to use WHDLoad with preload for all 1-2-3 disk games which should cover most games.

 

[8 Bit Dreams]

ide68k doesn't have built in memory, so it will be tricky to use it with WHDLoad... Actually I've spent a whole weekend with searching information about the possible ways to expand the memory.

I think it can be combined with most plain fast mem expansions like the one Kipper2k made (before he made the one that had both CF+fastmem). You could simply put the fast mem board lowest in the 68k CPU socket and then the IDE68k on top. I haven't tried it but I think it should work.

I have a Kipper2k 4MB fast mem expansion in my storage somewhere that I am not using any longer (was hardly used before I replaced it with the CF version). If someone could verify that it should work together with the IDE68k, then perhaps we can figure something out if you're interested.

For best success with WHDLoad, you should mod the trapdoor expansion to become chip mem so you end up with 1MB.
1MB chip + 4MB fast mem should make it possible to use WHDLoad with preload for all 1-2-3 disk games which should cover most games.

Hello,
Thanks to all answered here, it realy helps to go further step by step..
Yes, this extension should work, but i don't know will it be possible po apply metal shield back to place then, however it's not a big problem i can cut out a rectangle like there where keyboard connector is..
Please pm me with the price.
Yes, of course it would be better (and cheaper) to buy kippers IDE board straight, but he's ignoring my messages for unknown reason..
Regards,
Cook

 

[demolition]

Yes, this extension should work, but i don't know will it be possible po apply metal shield back to place then, however it's not a big problem i can cut out a rectangle like there where keyboard connector is..
Please pm me with the price.

You do not need to put the metal shield back. Most people just ditch it anyway.

Edit: Just looked through the forums and I think perhaps you will not be able to fit both expansions together. Kipper2k considered making a variant of the IDE68k board (without mem) which would fit with his fastmem expansion and allow the case to be closed. So it seems that you may not be able to have them both stacked and still be able to close the case..

 

[voyager_1701e]

ide68k doesn't have built in memory, so it will be tricky to use it with WHDLoad... Actually I've spent a whole weekend with searching information about the possible ways to expand the memory.

I think it can be combined with most plain fast mem expansions like the one Kipper2k made (before he made the one that had both CF+fastmem). You could simply put the fast mem board lowest in the 68k CPU socket and then the IDE68k on top. I haven't tried it but I think it should work.

I have a Kipper2k 4MB fast mem expansion in my storage somewhere that I am not using any longer (was hardly used before I replaced it with the CF version). If someone could verify that it should work together with the IDE68k, then perhaps we can figure something out if you're interested.

For best success with WHDLoad, you should mod the trapdoor expansion to become chip mem so you end up with 1MB.
1MB chip + 4MB fast mem should make it possible to use WHDLoad with preload for all 1-2-3 disk games which should cover most games.

Yep it works......





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ide68k doesn't have built in memory, so it will be tricky to use it with WHDLoad... Actually I've spent a whole weekend with searching information about the possible ways to expand the memory.

I think it can be combined with most plain fast mem expansions like the one Kipper2k made (before he made the one that had both CF+fastmem). You could simply put the fast mem board lowest in the 68k CPU socket and then the IDE68k on top. I haven't tried it but I think it should work.

I have a Kipper2k 4MB fast mem expansion in my storage somewhere that I am not using any longer (was hardly used before I replaced it with the CF version). If someone could verify that it should work together with the IDE68k, then perhaps we can figure something out if you're interested.

For best success with WHDLoad, you should mod the trapdoor expansion to become chip mem so you end up with 1MB.
1MB chip + 4MB fast mem should make it possible to use WHDLoad with preload for all 1-2-3 disk games which should cover most games.

Hello,
Thanks to all answered here, it realy helps to go further step by step..
Yes, this extension should work, but i don't know will it be possible po apply metal shield back to place then, however it's not a big problem i can cut out a rectangle like there where keyboard connector is..
Please pm me with the price.
Yes, of course it would be better (and cheaper) to buy kippers IDE board straight, but he's ignoring my messages for unknown reason..
Regards,
Cook

I've had a few of the IDE68k boards from MKL, they are great. Granted you really need some more system RAM with a hard drive though.

You might try to post a wanted ad for one of the CPU "extension" boards like this one...that might solve the case closing problem.



BTW, you mention Brian (Kipper2k) ignoring you.....he isn't ignoring anyone - he is so time poor with all his projects (especially the Vampire 2). I'm sure eventually he will reply, but you just have to have a long patience. Keep in mind he isn't a business!

 

[demolition]

So you are using the same IDE68k board as the poster in those pics? If so, then it looks good.

You might try to post a wanted ad for one of the CPU "extension" boards like this one...that might solve the case closing problem.

I have one of those relocation boards as well to go along with the Kipper2k fast mem expansion. I can send you a proposal DjCook if you're still interested in trying out that combo?

 

[8 Bit Dreams]

So you are using the same IDE68k board as the poster in those pics? If so, then it looks good.

You might try to post a wanted ad for one of the CPU "extension" boards like this one...that might solve the case closing problem.

I have one of those relocation boards as well to go along with the Kipper2k fast mem expansion. I can send you a proposal DjCook if you're still interested in trying out that combo?

Hello,
thanks for Your answers dear Amigeans! my extension looks exact the same like on a first photo of the voyager_1701e.
The extension will fit underneath the keyboard if i move the piggytailed CF Reader to trapslot or where Floppy drive was placed (actually i don't like to cut my Amiga), so i don't worry about it. just want to know how long the cable can be, i think that 40cm will not make any difference..
So yes, i am still very interested, please contact me with price,

PS,
Thank You, Voyager 1701e for the pictures, and for explainig about things with Kipper, didn't knew it...
Regards,

Cook

 

[8 Bit Dreams]

Well, with big help of our member Demolition i got Kipper's 4Mb extension and relocation boards. (Thank You very much Martin!)
however, it seems that Mikas (MKV) ide68k board is not 100% compatible with these extensions. Computer starts to boot, but then it just hangs on, every time with different error.. It also happends with CF Reader removed. I have already tryed several combinations: placed ide68k board on & underneath relocation board, with CPU on the memory board, on the relocation board and so on..i think i have tryed all possible combinations it just fails to work in pair, but do work realible when i use them separately.. Any ideas?
Dear Voyager, can You please confirm You are using Mikas ide68k board with Kipper's memory extension?

Regards,

Cook

 

[demolition]

If the connection to the CPU socket is bad, it could cause various problems so I would make sure that the boards are installed properly all the way in and level in the socket. The pins in the CPU socket could also be corroded a bit which would make the connection bad.

How are the boards working individually? Have you had the fastmem board running by itself and booting WB from a floppy to see if all the memory is there?

 

[8 Bit Dreams]

If the connection to the CPU socket is bad, it could cause various problems so I would make sure that the boards are installed properly all the way in and level in the socket. The pins in the CPU socket could also be corroded a bit which would make the connection bad.

How are the boards working individually? Have you had the fastmem board running by itself and booting WB from a floppy to see if all the memory is there?

Hi Martin,
thanks for Your reply, (and for the headers, it is impossible to install the boards without them)
as i already told before - the boards do the job well idividually, i can boot from CF Card and work with Miga without memory extension, and i can also use the 4Mb exnension without CF adapter what is realy annoying.. I have barrowed another Miga to test it on another system, will report later...

EDIT
seems that the problem occurred on my system only (bad connection), so i can confirm it's not related to incompatibility, for sure.
Have up and running system with mkv ide68k & kipper's 4Mb cards (without relocation board) the only problem is that i can't close the housing now so i need to think about it.

Anyway, WHDLoad just don't want to start:


WHDLoad starts if i try the CF Card with UAE, but the screen is corrupted, the WHDLoad is present in C Directory and i have reinstalled the last version 18....

EDIT 2
restarted my Miga without a gotek drive, and WHDLoad loaded! However the screen is corrupted, and the game doesen't work properly..Computer restarts after a while...
Any ideas?

EDIT 3
Finally got it running.
I can confirm that Mikes (mkv) ide68k v402 board runs in pair with Brian's (Kippers2k) 4Mb expansion board on Amiga A500 Rev. 6
I am able to run and play WHDLoad games from CF Card, however, the additional mod is necessary to convert the 512Mb trapdoor memory extension..
Cheers,

Cook

 

[DesktopDynamite]

Hi there,

Am trying to install similar card on the same Rev6A A500, with the 1MB Chipmem mod already done.

I have the v401 IDE68k version. I wish to know which pins must be connected, I know they must be soldered onto pin 9 and 10 (for /OVR & /INT]on the edge connector.
Could you pls take a photo of your wiring from the IDE68k to the edge connector to make sure?

TIA
Wal