AEHD - Applied Engineering High Density Amiga floppy

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I "properly" configured my A1200, but it doesn't work in HD, so it appears to be a 1.3 only product.
I don't know that I'd call it a "rip off" Mac drive, as AE was a big Apple Hardware company at the time. I remember them from my Apple II days, and by that, I mean the days where my friend had (and I wanted) and Apple II. :wink: AE for Apple was kind of like GVP for Amiga, I guess.
So I'm guessing it's one of their Mac drives "modified" for the Amiga.

Not really! :smile:
I found a review of it on the AW December 90 issue. It will shed some light to most o your questions, and i hope it is alright for me to post it here. If not, the mods can take it elsewhere.. So, here goes:

AEHD Drive

More mileage from a drive

By Sheldon Leemon

EXTERNAL FLOPPY-DISK drives are among the most popular of Amiga peripherals, and yet you'll rarely see a review of one. That's because for the last Five years, such drives have all been pretty much alike. Some have offered a pass-through connector to let you hook up additional drives, some a power switch or a design that eliminates the usual clicking sound that occurs when the drive is empty.
Their main function, however—reading and writing standard 880K. Amiga
format disks—has remained unchanged. While other computer systems have
switched to high-density, 3.5-inch floppies having double the capacity of standard models, the Amiga has been plugging along with its original drive,
leaving frustrated owners to ask themselves, "If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we put a high-density floppy in an Amiga?"

Through Apple-Colored Glasses
The first company to provide some kind of answer to this question is Applied Engineering, a company best known for its Apple II peripherals. The Apple connection is apparent in the styling of the AEHD high-density drive for the Amiga.
It looks identical to the Macintosh version of the drive, right down to the Mac-platinum color. In fact, the company has not even changed the packaging, which identifies the drive as an 800K unit ''compatible with all Macintosh Series,
Apple IIGS, IIC Plus, lie," and bears an endorsement from Sieve Wozniak, cofounder
of Apple. (I always figured the Woz was an Amiga fan at heart.)
Applied Engineering's origins seem to have given the company a different perspective on the Amiga market. This drive differs in several respects from the standard Amiga unit. It's got a stylish plastic case (as opposed to the bent metal case of most inexpensive Amiga drives). It features a dual-color activity LED that
glows green when the drive is reading, and red when it is writing—which, if
nothing else, tells when the drive is working instead of just hung up.
More important, it features an electronic drive-eject system rather than a
mechanical one. The eject button is actually a soft-touch switch that sends an
electronic request to the drive, asking it to eject the disk. If the drive is busy
when you press the button, the unit politely ignores your request until disk activity is safely finished. This completely eliminates the possibility of ejecting a
disk before a write operation has been completed, an action that often results in
the dreaded "Volume VitalWork: has a Read/Write Error" message.
Although electronic ejection is easier and safer, it works only when the drive is
connected to the computer and the computer is turned on. When the power is off,
you must use the back-up mechanical eject system, which involves pushing the
end of paper clip into a small hole on the front of the drive.

Data Demon
The AEHD's most significant feature is its ability to store over 1,5MB of information on a single high-density floppy. This capability is not automatic; to take
advantage of it, you must install a device driver (which patches the normal trackdisk.device) and add the device to the system using the MOUNT command.
The drive comes with detailed instructions for installing the needed software,
as well as an installation script that takes care of it automatically. This script does
not alter your startup-sequence file so that it automatically mounts the highdensity
drive, but this is a fairly simple task to accomplish for anyone familiar
with text-file editing. The driver software does work on a 3000 under 2.0.
Once mounted and installed, the AEHD drive acts as two drives. When
you insert a standard-density floppy, the computer recognizes the drive by its
usual AmigaDOS designation (df1: for the first external drive on a 500, df2: for the first external drive on a 2000).
If, however, you insert a high-density disk (these have an extra square hole opposite the write-protect hole and the letters "HD" printed by the shutter), the system recognizes the drive by the name under which you mounted the high-density device (usually df5: for the first external drive on a 500 and df6: for the first on a 2000).
Applied Engineering handles more data by simply slowing the drive's disk-rotation
speed. Originally, the company had planned to double the normal disk capacity to 1.76 megabytes by slowing the drive to half speed, but this did not work. The final version stores only 19 sectors per track instead of 22, for a total
of 1.52MB per disk. As a result, the drive is unable to read 1.4-4-meg, IBMformat
disks as originally advertised (though it can read a 720K MS-DOS disk, with the help of a format-conversion utility such as Consultron's Cross DOS).

The Arithmetic of Reading and Writing

As you might expect, slowing down the drive affects the speed at which it reads
and writes data. Using the Diskspeed program to measure it, I found that the high-density drive writes at just 525 bytes per second, instead of the usual
3000 bytes per second. In actual practice, however, writing files to the high density
disk turned out to be onlv about 20-25% slower than writing them to a standard floppy.
On the other hand, disk reads were consistently 20-25% faster in the high density
mode. This means that under normal conditions, in which you read from disks much more frequently than you write to them, the high-density mode should be faster than standard mode. You will probably find that high-density mode makes the process of backing up a hard drive a little faster than usual because of
the reduction in floppy swaps.
As with most new products, the AEHD drives had some bugs to shake out. The
first unit i tested worked unreliably (due to production problems in the initial run), and the original manual had numerous typographic errors. The second unit worked flawlessly, however, and came with a corrected manual. All told, I was quite impressed. While the AEHD does not offer double the storage, it does provide more capacity than comparable IBM drives. And even in normal-density mode, the electronic-eject button is an important safeguard. Most important, however, the AEHD Drive represents a much-needed step away from the status quo, paving the way for new generations of improved floppy drives on the Amiga.

Hope you make something out of it, plus it has some very interesting facts for people tinkering with floppies in general :thumbsup:
My understanding is that it isn't 1.x exclusive! :smile:

OK, I tried it with 3.1 again, and it didn't work. So it might like 2.0, but not 3.1.
It says it patches the trackdisk. If that changed significantly, I can see that causing problems? Especially if their executable is looking for certain things to patch..

Might it be possible (probably not for me, but) to compare the trackdisk before/after that patch and figure out what would need to be patched into the 3.1 trackdisk??

I'm not at all familiar with patching these drivers, so... :huh:

Also interesting about them trying to get to to read IBM HD disks and failing apparently (not being able to slow it to half speed)...

Thanx for the info!!

desiv
 
IIRC, trackdisk.device is stored in the ROM, so only "downgrading" it (via loadmodule) to a 1.3/2.x version may force the patch to run.
 
IIRC, trackdisk.device is stored in the ROM, so only "downgrading" it (via loadmodule) to a 1.3/2.x version may force the patch to run.

K, so I might be able to use one of those programs (???) to pull trackdisk.device from a 1.3 or 2.x ROM and then use loadmodule to load that.
And then apply the patch..

Worth poking at.. ;-)

Thanx,

desiv
 
Yes, grab ROMSPLIT from doobreynet, then rip old trackdisk.device from 1.3 ROM image and use loadmodule to use it in 3.x ROM.

I guess the problem lies in FFS which is loaded for newer trackdisk.device.
 
Well, closer.. Maybe..
I was able to use ROMSplit to pull trackdisk.device from a 2.0 ROM.

I transferred it to my A1200 (I did the ROMSplit in WinUAE).

I tried the loadmodule, but I am getting a "already resident" "object already exists" error..

So, it looks like loadmodule isn't loading trackdisk.device because it already exists in the ROM?

I didn't notice any loadmodule command line options that said "USE THIS". ;-)

Hmmmmm..

desiv
 
Where I am with this now:

I will try the custom ROM at sometime, but a downgrade of trackdisk that much makes me wonder...

For now, I'm using it happily on my A1000.
If I don't need HD, I can use my Kickwork floppy and boot into WB 1.3 fine, and it's a fine 880k external floppy.
If I need/want to use HD, I just power cycle and use a standard Kickstart floppy/WB disk set.
Then I have it as an 880K or 1.5M floppy.

Still one issue, they include a program they want you to run called EjectKey.
I am guessing (no manual) that it gives you a softkey combo to eject from the keyboard..
But, I don't know the combination.. ;-) I tried a few and nothing so far.. I'll keep checking this..

All in all, a decent drive, especially for the time (WB 1.3/2.0 and it was the only HD option for the Amiga)...
Support for reading PC/Mac HD would have been great, but I'm guessing not possible with this drive.
Support for WB 3.x I'm sure is possible, but it would need someone like Thomas at EAB or Piru at amiga.org or <insert person familiar with trackdisk and kernel patching> to look at it. And I doubt there are enough of those drives around to merit that..

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Maybe better to burn and softkick custom rom? Here is mfilos his guide

https://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=11935

Yeah, I'll work on that a bit.
I was thinking the same thing, but REMUS isn't running for me yet..
Think I need to add some more "required" programs..
Thanx for the link.

I also noticed that the AETD patch and Kickwork seem to be mutually exclusive.
I have a Kickwork disk for my A1000, which is basically a patched kickstart disk, that allows me to use the disk as a kickstart AND WB disk (minus 256K).
Pretty handy.
And it works, until I load AETD.device, and then it can't see the kickwork formatted miniWB partition anymore..
I suppose that makes sense, deuling patches, but still.. ;-( I like Kickwork, but then again, I like 1.5M floppies for my A1000..

Oh well.. :-)

desiv
 
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Yes, I'm replying to myself instead of editing, but this is new information.
I found the EjectKey information. It was actually on a screen the install program shows, but I never clicked that.
According to the screen:
Key combinations - DD / HD
leftAmiga-Shift-F4 - DF0/DF4
leftAmiga-Shift-F5 - DF1/DF5
leftAmiga-Shift-F6 - DF2/DF6
leftAmiga-Shift-F7 - DF3/DF7

(testing now)

Yep, that's it. :-)

desiv
(What do you mean I was supposed to read those screens when I was installing???)

p.s. Now that I know that.. er.. what's the point? I mean, if I have to reach to pull the disk out, my hand will be close enough to hit the eject button then? Hmmm.. ;-)

p.p.s. I made an ADF of the install/driver disk. Not sure where to put it (on the Internet!!), but I have it. ;-)
 
Pass it to .dms and upload to Amiga Installer's Heaven.
 
DMS is the defacto Amiga disk image system. ADF is only used in WinUAE so it became a new standard.

Only in the few last years the .adf format gained enough strength to force its way back to real Amigas.
 
DMS is the defacto Amiga disk image system
Yeah, I used to use DMS all the time BITD.. Just forgot about it.. ;-)

I have a DMS version, but the e-mail on the website is bouncing.
Unknown user (support@l8r.net)...
So, they might be having site/e-mail issues now...
I'll try again in a few days..

Hmm, nothing on that site.. E-mails just bouncing..
Going to try to attach the DMS to this thread so it's available.
OK, I think I did.. ;-)

desiv
 

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Finally got Kickstart 2.0 for my A500 and tried this.
First attempt at an install seemed to install fine, but the drive isn't working in HD mode.
I know the review said it worked on a 3000 with 2.0, but no luck so far with the base install.
I'll poke around a bit more...

desiv
 
*Shiver* AE tried this bit of hackery with their AEHD+ drive for the Apple IIgs. It plugged into the built in disk port, but wrote disks in a 1.6MB GCR format (double the stock DD format, the onboard controller couldn't do MFM) with a driver. Needless to say, I hope nobody ever stored any data on those special format disks because once that drive dies, you aren't getting that data back easily.

AE made some pretty unique peripherals over the years. Their branching out into the Amiga (and Mac) was their last gasp before going bankrupt in 1994. More info here: http://ae.applearchives.com/amiga/
 
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