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I know. Such sellers basically force you to take a risk if you wish to acquire a piece of equipment you need/want.
So the sellers should take all the risk? Say you have a nice 4000T, you should ship it out on a whim, without being paid and with high potential of claim and money being withheld if upon reception the buyer claims it arrived without the motherboard? Or has buyers regret?

I am overwhelmingly a buyer of goods and enjoy retro hardware in a few categories very much. Over time and many transactions I've personally concluded that it is more on me to take the risk than the seller. I am the one who wants to buy into what the seller is selling. The onus should be on me the buyer to decide if this doesn't feel right and if I'm willing to risk it (in my view). @davideo said it best in one sentence above "If a deal looks too good to be true and there's an urgency for payment - walk away." AmiBaY do their best to advise and filter out buyer risk, and everyone has their own level of risk tolerance, but I do not agree that 100% of the risk should be taken by the seller. They're selling old stuff for crying out loud, they're not a Best Buy or a Curry's. Make it unpleasant and risky and soon the supply of goods for buyers will dry out as sellers will be discouraged to sell stuff. This case shows a risk none of us have likely even considered, a guy with 400 feedback no less gets his account jacked. Look, there is no guarantees of anything. The fact that this place is well over 95% successful transaction rate (even with PayPal F&F running wild) shows that overall we're a good bunch here. Perfection is lovely, but usually not achievable.
 
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Calm down people.
A scammer has easily pocketed 2000 EUR and is surely having a nice relaxing day by now. There is no need to fight between us on top of that.

Yes everyone MUST activate 2 factors authentification NOW.
I would still contact PayPal even w/PP Friends.
Just try it.
 
So the sellers should take all the risk? Say you have a nice 4000T, you should ship it out on a whim, without being paid and with high potential of claim and money being withheld if upon reception the buyer claims it arrived without the motherboard? Or has buyers regret?
Well, noone claimed the sellers should take all the risk, but neither should only the buyers. Say you have a nice 4000T, you use an Escrow service if both buyer and seller feel the need to be protected. You probably won't use escrow for 100 or 200 €/$, but for a few thousand+ you probably should.

I am overwhelmingly a buyer of goods and enjoy retro hardware in a few categories very much. Over time and many transactions I've personally concluded that it is more on me to take the risk than the seller. I am the one who wants to buy into what the seller is selling. The onus should be on me the buyer to decide if this doesn't feel right and if I'm willing to risk it (in my view). @davideo said it best in one sentence above "If a deal looks too good to be true and there's an urgency for payment - walk away."
You're talking about things we all agree with. Of course it's a buyer's decision whether to send money or not at the end of the day. That decision is made individually, considering the info/data at hand. But in this thread, we have a case of a fraud. And it should be treated as such.

I can only agree with what @davideo said regarding walking away. But do you guys really feel this ad is anything but rather normal? What part of the ad precisely should tell me it's too good to be true and that I should walk away? Was it the seller's reputation? No. Was it the time at which the ad was posted, before midnight, like a lot of ads? No. Was the price too low? No, the exact same thing was sold for about the same amount of money at eBay not even one year ago. I really don't understand what was too good to be true here. As I've explained, the very final decision on whether to send the money or walk away was mine, but it was based on what admin reported after his investigation re: legitimacy of the seller.

AmiBaY do their best to advise and filter out buyer risk, and everyone has their own level of risk tolerance, but I do not agree that 100% of the risk should be taken by the seller. They're selling old stuff for crying out loud, they're not a Best Buy or a Curry's. Make it unpleasant and risky and soon the supply of goods for buyers will dry out as sellers will be discouraged to sell stuff. This case shows a risk none of us have likely even considered, a guy with 400 feedback no less gets his account jacked. Look, there is no guarantees of anything. The fact that this place is well over 95% successful transaction rate (even with PayPal F&F running wild) shows that overall we're a good bunch here. Perfection is lovely, but usually not achievable.
Please (re)read post #18 in this thread. I've explained my POV there, including how I feel about the admin in question and Amibay the platform.
 
There is no requirement for anyone to use or accept one method of payment here.

If you want to protect your money then tell the seller that you will pay the extra for full peace of mind. Apply some common sense and cover yourself in case the deal goes bad.

It is not down to the admin here to enforce what is acceptable payment methods for buyers and sellers'.

Caveat emptor... Buyer beware!
 
Please (re)read post #18 in this thread. I've explained my POV there, including how I feel about the admin in question and Amibay the platform.
Look, you're not wrong. You did things right, and it just happened that the scam was good in this case and the scammer got lucky that you didn't say..."pay you tomorrow." These do happen. Please take a moment to remember all the great deals you got in the past. Doesn't fix this, but it makes you look at the big picture. I do that when my item never arrives (rarely).

There is no requirement for anyone to use or accept one method of payment here.

If you want to protect your money then tell the seller that you will pay the extra for full peace of mind.
Exactly. Methods can be agreed. I recently wanted a buy an item but crypto was the only method the seller accepted. I wanted the item, but no dice on that payment option, so...no item for me. If in doubt, sellers will wait a day or two. By then things can be resolved like
 
@veper I’ll lock this thread for now.

If you have news let me know and I can open it again for you.

Good luck to all of you
 
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