Amiga 600 optical cd dvd rom install: Pics Inside!

[vibros]

Hello,

to be more clear, the sequence slave-master or master-slave is not rilevant: you can try what is the best solution. The ATA protocol dont tell if the master device need to be at the end of the cable or in the middle.

Regards
Stefano

 

[LukasSid]

I installed on the right, that way accelerator fits. I now have ACA630 and A600 fully closes no problem

 

[AmmoJammo]

Pics of EIDE adapter as requested by AmmoJammo

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Thanks for the pics

Hello,

you have less troubles with a normal CD-Rom reader, why a DVD reader has a flash-rom with inside select the master/slave option or, worst, the cable-select option. About the CF adapter, you can desolder the pin 28 of the 40 pin male connector of the adapter, and try again.

Regards
Stefano

I've already tried using cable select on this drive, but from what I've found, and doing more research on the net, it appears the drive is firmware set to master.

This doesn't really seem to matter, I've currently got a 2.5inch laptop drive set as slave, with the dvd rom connected, and it boots fine from the laptop drive (haven't got the dvd drive working though, too hot )

Wow I just saw that you connected the middle connector of the IDE 3way cable to the motherboard! That's not the correct way to connect it mate.

This is the correct way:

I haven't actually found any definitave information that an ide cable MUST be connected like that... other than from people who simply keep passing the same information on, because its what someone told them (or what it says on the 80 wire ide cables, which of course, isn't what I'm using)

Its just a passive cable, pin 1 connects to pin 1 on all three connectors, and the same for every pin.

Its the device that determines if its master or slave.

Hello,

to be more clear, the sequence slave-master or master-slave is not rilevant: you can try what is the best solution. The ATA protocol dont tell if the master device need to be at the end of the cable or in the middle.

Regards
Stefano

Yes, but mine is Master, Computer, Slave
But still, I don't see why it should matter... (I had massive issues getting the dvd drive to work before the cable was like this)

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I installed on the right, that way accelerator fits. I now have ACA630 and A600 fully closes no problem

I really do think the optical drive could be made to fit over that.
Even if you had to trim the pins on the back of the board to they were flush with the board, and put some insulation between the drive, and the accelerator....

 

[AmmoJammo]

Ok, right now, Its setup as per the following.

40gig 2.5inch IDE drive, two 4gig partitions.

Drive formatted through Winuae, Classic Workbench copied through Winuae.

Hard drive set as slave, dvd drive set as master, using the same cable I was using on the CF card (yes, both drives are being powered by the ide header :shhh

Now, I've just installed IDEFix97, which at first wouldn't find the dvd drive, but did the second time I ran it..

CD rom drive worked...

However, IDEFix would never run with the CF card and adapter, it would crash before it installed the drive...

Copied some files from a cd to the HDD... seems very slow, but then, I am probably used to my Amiga 500 setup...

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mm... so slow... the HDD was about 800kb/s

Should the cd rom speed be the same as the ide hdd? or is the cd rom slow because its not a buffered ide interface?

 

[vibros]

Hello,

the pin n.28 of a 40 pin ide connector, is the "cable select" option. If this pin is grounded, then this option is enabled, but dont work on Amiga.
Some CF adapter have this pin grounded and the Amiga dont recognize the CF.
This is my experience.

Regards
Stefano

 

[AmmoJammo]

Hello,

the pin n.28 of a 40 pin ide connector, is the "cable select" option. If this pin is grounded, then this option is enabled, but dont work on Amiga.
Some CF adapter have this pin grounded and the Amiga dont recognize the CF.
This is my experience.

Regards
Stefano

Ground pin 28 on a device should set it to master

This CF adapter has a master/slave jumper anyway, which I believe ties pin 28 to ground, or leaves it floating.

 

[AmmoJammo]

New CF adapter arrived...

Set it to slave, and the cdrom to master.. I get the kickstart screen... won't boot from the CF.

Set the CF to master, unplug the cdrom... floppy drive clicks, but I get no video.... ah... that ain't supposed to happen... (unless its trying to boot from the CF, and failing)

 

[fitzsteve]

I had a few faulty cf adapters that behave like that. Approximately one in 10 I bought from China!
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[AmmoJammo]

The adapter I had been using seemed to stop working :/

I'm wondering if something has gone wrong with the CF card itself, but it still works on a PC...

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Ok, so I have the compact flash adapter plugged into a 2.5inch ide to usb adapter.

Original CF adapter, set to master, takes ages when you click the add HDD button, comes up with the above.

Set to slave, and the red light on the adapter just comes on, and the drive never appears.


New CF adapter, set to master, as above, takes ages, appears as "no media"

Set it to slave, and it appears instantly in the list, still as "no media"

:double

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Tried a different USB to IDE adapter, this time for a 3.5inch drive, which of course, also meant a different IDE to CF adapter again (one that I've never been able to connect to the amiga, due to it being 3.5inch...

Worked perfectly...

So, now I know that usb-ide-cf can in fact work, I'm going to connect this usb-ide adapter to a 3.5-2.5inch ide cable, so I can connect it to the two "bad" ide-cf adapters, and see what happens...

 

[supaduper]

I think that the IDE header does not have enough grunt to power both cf and cdrom, I would use a molex to floppy splitter from the floppy power 4 pin connecter to power cdrom.

I think that is the classic symptom where you state the cf activity light stays on, indicating power prob or incorrect setup between cf and cdrom

^Edit^

just seen your photo so you will have you splice the molex to your power cable setup on the board connected to the cdrom

 

[AmmoJammo]

IDE header happily powered the CDrom and 2.5inch ide HDD, the compact flash draws basically no power compared to the HDD.

CDrom and HDD and it booted perfectly every time, mounted the CDrom every time.

CDrom and CF simply doesn't work... CF doesn't even work at all anymore!

and I've just tried both cf-ide adapters on a pc, using a different ide-usb adapter, and both also appear to work fine!

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cf-ide-usb, compact flash card works...

cf-2.5ide-3.5ide-usb... compact flash works (both cf-2.5ide adapters)

Plug either CF-2.5ide into the Amiga, as master on their own, or slave with the dvd connected.... FAILS! and yet, one of these adapters used to work?!

 

[supaduper]

Still will not hurt just to eliminate it is not a power prob by quickly connecting a rough setup power wise to the cdrom, and yeah those cf`s run on `Angel Dust`

 

[AmmoJammo]

It doesn't work without the cd rom even plugged in...

 

[supaduper]

That must be so frustrating, works on PC but no show on the miggy damn that is a HF !

have you measured the power output on the PC usb drive,and compared it to the power output on the miggy IDE with cf connected to see what load difference there might be

 

[AmmoJammo]

Yeah, its just great!

its worse because it did work! Now it does nothing!

I might try installing a basic version of WB to another (80meg) CF, and see what the amiga does with that..

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Ok, things may not be quite as they seemed...

The "broken" adapter seems to actually work in the A600 today...

It will start to load workbench, (hdd light flashes) then just stop, never to start again...

The workbench install now has a version of IDEFix installed (was installed on real Amiga hardware, to an ide HDD, then copied to the compact flash)

It doesn't work!?!? I have had no luck whatsoever, with idefix, when using this compact flash card?!?

Now, I have to assume that the "new" cf-ide adapter also works, however, the CF card doesn't control the HDD light, hence it appearing to do nothing.... I assumed the HDD light worked, as the cdrom was causing it, and the light on the adapter itself, to flash as it spun up....

I now believe the old adapter is slightly intermittent, the new adapter probably works fine, and idefix doesn't work at all!

I can boot from a workbench 3.1 floppy, and halfway through booting, it accesses the compact flash card, without doing anything with idefix, and boots into workbench, giving me all the items that should have been on the desktop when booting from the cf card...

 

[supaduper]

I think that A600 needs `Exorcising`

 

[AmmoJammo]

Ok, old adapter has taken up working again, (fresh copy of classic workbench again, so no idefix)

However, the new adapter won't work as slave, simply won't boot from the drive. As master, with no cdrom connected, it boots fine.

So! I have two new cf-ide adapters on their way from China, which I believe are the same as the first/bad/old one, so hopefully that works...

Now... to try and get the cdrom working again?!?

 

[supaduper]

Good luck dude ! I like that you aint giving up! a man after my own heart, also get some `Holy Water` :roll:

 

[AmmoJammo]

Maybe I'll just get a real ide HDD... idefix doesn't seem to mind them...

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Tried an old 80meg compact flash, with the version of workbench that has idefix preinstalled (copied from a HDD)

And, failed...

Unless of course you boot with both mouse buttons pressed, then choose to boot without the startup sequence... then it boots just find to the CLI, or whatever its called...

Ah yes, idefix... lovely!

 

[supaduper]

Ok I have just got some more cables and guess what I changed nothing and no cdrom !, so the cable length is critcal regarding the power from the IDE header.

I had my cdrom on the secondary port (Unit 3) and the corresponding Dos driver in Devs.

What I did was go into the idefix folder ran the `Find device` and it could not find the cdrom.

So I put the IDE cable onto the primary port of the adapter (Unit 1) and ran `Find device` and Bingo yatzi said dvdrom showed up

So All I did then using a text editor was to edit the Dos driver file, CD3 by going it to the settings and changing the UNIT=3 to UNIT=1 and just renaming the Icon to CD1 (tidyness timothy),aso had to Edit the `eject icon` too to Unit 1.

So might be a cabling problem, i know you say it worked, but so did mine