Disappearing 777

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How does a plane just disappear? It's impossible surely ? Air traffic control , satellites , the black box all know where it is? They have beacons too for 30 days.

People may of been using their phones too...

Apart from complete power failure or explosion but where is the wreckage .... How does this happen?

I hope we hear some news soon.

A Malaysia Airlines (MAS) plane flying from Kula Lumpur to Beijing has lost contact with air traffic control two hours into the flight, setting off fears the Boeing 777 carrying 239 people might have crashed over Vietnamese air space.
 
mjnurney said:
How does a plane just disappear? It's impossible surely ? Air traffic control , satellites , the black box all know where it is? They have beacons too for 30 days.

People may of been using their phones too...

Apart from complete power failure or explosion but where is the wreckage .... How does this happen?

I hope we hear some news soon.

A Malaysia Airlines (MAS) plane flying from Kula Lumpur to Beijing has lost contact with air traffic control two hours into the flight, setting off fears the Boeing 777 carrying 239 people might have crashed over Vietnamese air space.
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Someone needs to watch Air Crash Investigations, ;).
Its quite easy for a plane to just vanish. Some end up missing for years.
 
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Giorgio Tsoukalos was asked and he said this...

 
How can plane to just vanish? that what bugged me sometime

but saying that my mobile fone have vanish in the living room because I remember last time I had in my hand and I dont know where I have put it :double:picard
 
i think the beacon only has a certain range,and if it crashes in the ocean it will never be seen again its a pretty deep place.
 
Amiga Forever said:
How can plane to just vanish? that what bugged me sometime

but saying that my mobile fone have vanish in the living room because I remember last time I had in my hand and I dont know where I have put it
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The phone/living room ratio is a lot bigger than the plane/sea ratio, so if your phone can get lost, so can a plane. Even if a plane stays on course, you have a very big area to search, but if it goes off course like it seems in this case, the area gets really big. If it crashes in the sea, it can be very deep and in that case, you might not receive a signal from the beacons, thus making it almost impossible to find.
 
a plane lost at sea is like finding a needle in a haystack, no matter what kind of technology it has. Not sure about the idea about terrorism or hijacking as noone have claimed the action nor have i seen any indication that someone of importance was on board.

I would presume sudden technical malfunction that gave no time for any reaction that could alert the outside world. Also "Military radar indicates that the missing Boeing 777 jet turned back before vanishing," points to problems.

I would be very surprised if there are anyone alive I'm sorry to say.
 
It took two years to find the missing Air France Flight 447, so this could be another long search.
 
Merlin said:
It took two years to find the missing Air France Flight 447, so this could be another long search.
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Actually it took 5 days to find it, but 2 years to find enough wreckage to get the black boxes.

So far we've found zero pieces of MH370, not even a floating seat cushion or a suitcase. That in itself is a worry.
 
The media today are stating that Malaysian Airlines MH370's transponder was either turned off or was not working, however, the aircraft was tracked by the military for another hour and ten minutes until it reached the Straits of Malaka.

This raises another possible theory - might it have been shot down, in a similar way to Korean Airlines Flight 007?

All airliners of this size have to have both collision and identification transponders, identifying the aircraft as a civilian passenger flight. Most military aircraft carry IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) transponder equipment, so that the air forces can recognise their own friendly aircraft.

If MH370 had no transmissions identifying it as a civil airliner, it also had no IFF to denote it as a friendly military flight - therefore it was an unidentified, potentially hostile aircraft, might it have been mistaken for a military aircraft by one of these countries and been shot down by mistake, just like Korean Airlines Flight 007?
 
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Air France 447 was lost at sea with the transponder working until impact, still it took long to find it due to the deep water.
Malaysian 370 had its transponder stop transmitting at 35000 ft, so the search range is a lot larger.

With a complete electrical failure for whatever reason (including batteries, very rare), pilots would attempt to land at 'nearest suitable airport' or go to a familiar place. Not a piece of cake with total loss of electrical power, but the plane would still have running engines and lots of fuel so the search range is huge.

There are a few possible scenarios for a loss of transponder signal and no ATC distress communication:
Mid air collision with other plane, drone or object
Fighter interception, shot down
Hi-jack, transponder turned off and radio silence
Severe structural failure
Explosion or aggressive fire​

As said before, the black (orange) boxes have limited range, especially under water.

If it would be a hi-jack, primary radars would still see the plane when in range, but it might be possible (I don't know the area) to avoid primary radar coverage areas. Technically then it could be possible the plane was landed somewhere by hijackers, but this is extremely unlikely now.

Edit: Read the last comments and the stuff about primary radar tracking to Malacca Strat now. This would still fit with either complete electrical failure or hi-jack.
 
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Well how does a plane wanish?

Histoy lesson:

A dc3 flies over the ocean in front of the russian airterretory (its a spyplane)
It gets spotted and shot down by a mig15

The plane goes down .. heavely demaged .. it was foggy and the russian pilot lost sight, nothing of the plane was found for almost 50 years then , after along search of many teams .. the found it by random...

So, even tho the knew when and where it got shot down, the still searched for 50 years

If a plane goes into the water and sinks pretty fast, theres no hope finding it
 
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It was built by the yanks

It was built by the yanks

Are we surprised those poor people.

This is the Super Jet made by Boeing as per normal just like Microsoft it has bugs and just like Microsoft they release it to be used with the bugs still in the system this must be the 10th story in the last six months of problems with these monsters ground them then force Boeing to retest every airframe and wiring system and computer system until they find the problems before more lives are lost. the last story to hit the news was they have found cracks in the wings check before you fly on hols this year guys, if its a Boeing 777 then refuse to get on board "Its your life".



God bless those poor lost people.

AL:blased:
 
The 777 is one of the safest planes in history, with only one fatal accident (Asiana 214, 3 dead in 2013) before this one. Quite impressive for >1100 planes over 19 years.

The 787 indeed has had lots of technical trouble, but so did the 747 when it first launched more than forty years ago, and it turned out one of the most successful aircraft ever :)
 
Intriguing fact(oid?): relatives dial the passengers cell phones and they rang! A cell phone in the bottom of sea will not work at all.

I think the plane was hijacked.
 
rkauer said:
Intriguing fact(oid?): relatives dial the passengers cell phones and they rang! A cell phone in the bottom of sea will not work at all.

I think the plane was hijacked.
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Indeed that is strange, although it is possible that the phone in question was lost/misplaced and didnt board the plane (unless this has happened with more than one passenger?)

Around this time any phones belonging to passengers should have drained batteries.

The strange thing about this is that even if a plane crashes in the ocean, the plane does not 'sink'. Crashing on water is not too different that crashing into the ground. The plane would disintegrate on impact with the water and much of the debris would float. The fact that no debris has been found yet suggests to me that the aircraft was not in the position it should have been when it vanished.

Saldy it cant be ruled out that one of the pilots deliberatly crashed the plane as with Egypt Air 990 although I really hope that is not the case.

Regards

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I heard Elvis was flying the plane..... I hope this doesn't turn into a conspiracy theory thread!

As Frodegh said, the 777 is one of the safest planes in history. As far as I remember only 3 hull losses (1 of those was a ground fire, and excluding the as of yet unexplained MH flight), and whilst not nice, 3 fatalities (only). I have no hesitation to fly on a 777 at anytime....in fact I'd fly almost any airliner with a quality well trained crew. (Just check out the result of the British Airways 777 accident (at London), the US Air A320 accident (at New York) and the Qantas 380 incident (over Indonesia / Singapore) to see excellent examples of well trained crew making good decisions and getting excellent outcomes)

I'm surprised, as another responder said...no wreckage yet...just an "oil slick".

Interestingly, and maybe not surprisingly, the Egypt Air flight crash cause is still disputed by the Egyptian Govt and the capitalist :) US NTSB (I think they assisted with the investigation and came to the conclusion the accident was deliberate).
However there have been other flights that similar evidence of intentional acts crashing planes. There was 1 incident previously with, I think it was Fedex, where a Fedex Captain tried to incapacitate the flight crew and crash the plane for the insurance money...but luckily that attempt failed.
But for this theory to be true in this instance, there would be some wreckage, and despite the huge amount of resources currently thrown at the search, nothing so far. Either way, without the plane and at least the flight recorders....nothing will be surely determined.

With instant connected social media now a part of our minute lives, this is one area (air crash investigations) that simply wont keep up with our now lifestyle pace.
 
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Although it's not a mobile, I've had a case where a business number rang and rang without being answered. As it was during the day and the number goes to a mail order hotline I though it odd.

Called up the phone company's faults line, oh yeah the entire exchange is down, been like that for 2 days. :picard

It is possible for phones to ring but not actually connect to anything.
 
**** news flash ****

It isnt confirmed yet but the last message from the plane was "good night"

**** news flash ****
 
I like the thinking that if AmigaForever can lose his phone in his living room, then an aeroplane can be lost in the ocean.

:thumbsup:

Awesome
 
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