I’ve got an Amiga 500+, now what?

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Hello chaps,
I’ve found myself in possession of an Amiga 500+, having just discovered one in a house clear-out. I never had an Amiga as a child - which in some areas actually constitutes child neglect – and thus I have no experience whatsoever to draw from. I am, to be clear, the very definition of a n00b.
With that said, I’m looking for help on what I can do with this lovely piece of kit. The machine is in working order. It was taken care of very well during its lifetime and has been stored safely for many years in a garage. It’s never been opened or tinkered with, there’s no rust, scuffs or signs of wear, and aside from being a bit yellow it appears to be in top condition. Of course, I’ve not opened it to check out the state of the inside – I’ve heard battery leaks can be an issue and capacitors wear out, but it boots up fine and all seems well.


What I don’t have, is any disks or any form of manual. Thus, I’m unable to progress any further than the boot screen which informs me that I have 2.0 Roms (31.175) – and that I should probably insert a disk if I’d like anything further to occur.

I’ve spent some time researching on Google and forums, but I’ve found the wealth of information somewhat overwhelming. It seems there are countless different upgrades and configurations, so I’m a bit unsure what to attempt.


My ideal scenario is simple: I’d like to get an HD, or preferably a CF card, with a bunch of games stored on it... and play them.
I’d assumed this would be easy enough. There’s loads of options out there for other systems and some of the Amibay and Tech Shack guys showed me some awesome stuff with Spectrums and Amstrads at the Play Expo – however from what I’ve read it seems that the one system that isn’t easy to do this with, is the Amiga 500+. Which is somewhat typical really.


So here’s where I’d like a bit of help:

  1. I’ve seen people suggesting SCSI interfaces, converted to IDE, attached to CF. If this is still the defacto standard for A500+ owners, can someone point me in the direction of the right hardware to do this, preferably with a tutorial on fitting it? I read that getting the right SCSI interface is important, something to do with DMA access to reduce load on the CPU. There seem to be a lot of options out there and I’m not sure where to look.
  2. I’ve also read about cards in development that will provide an IDE interface, and possibly a direct CF interface, with whole bunch of other stuff I don’t really understand... I’m talking of things like Zeus68k and ACA500 – however it seems these have been in the works for some time and still have no release date. Is it worth waiting it out or given that my needs are fairly simple, should I just go with the SCSI solution?
  3. I know nothing of Kickstart ROMs and such. I’ve been reading that a lot of games won’t work with the newer Kickstart ROM in the A500+ and therefore I may need to do something about that. I read there was some software that would deal with it, but I’m also seeing a lot of talk about ROM switchers such. Any advice there?

  4. I’m probably safe to assume my A500+ only has 512KB RAM. I’m under the impression that this may be a bit poor even for basic gaming, and if I’m going to use WHDLoad, which seems to be the thing to do, I may need to go even further... So presumably I should be looking at a memory upgrade too. Again, confirmation of this and pointing in the right direction would be appreciated.

  5. I’m also given to believe that the extra power needed to run the SCSI/IDE/CF/Whatever that powers the HD might even require I boost the CPU speed. Is this right? If so, my head’s starting to spin a little. Is there a plain English guide anywhere that can show me the desired specs for the casual user, and how to get there? I saw something like this for the A1200 – I think it was actually on this forum.

I think that’s about it for now.
As I said, I’m very new to all this. I’m not adverse to doing some research and learning how to tinker inside the machine, but I’d rather not have to get a degree in engineering if I can help it... I just wanna play Magicland Dizzy. ;)
Any help, much appreciated.
 
The list of things you wish to do with it, to me it would just be cheaper and much simpler to buy an A1200 now and be done with it. Else just play games from floppy disk. All A500+'s came with 1mb ram I believe, check the trapdoor it should have a 512k expansion in there.
 
The main thing to do with an A500+ is open it up and remove the battery before it leaks. A leaking battery will do all sorts of nasty damage to the board.
 
All A500+'s came with 1mb ram I believe, check the trapdoor it should have a 512k expansion in there.
All A500+'s came with 1MB On-Board...

+ Defo... get that Battery Out !
 
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You could wait for Kipper's next expansion, a 8MB RAM card with IDE and a Clock (or maybe a Clockport) on it. That would give you more than enough RAM to run any WHDLoad games and plenty of programs from Workbench, and of course you'll be able to stick a CF card in there for storage. If you still like the idea of playing games from floppy, I'd recommend getting a Kickstart ROM switcher as well, sticking a 3.1 ROM and a 1.3 ROM on there. If you just prefer to run the games from Workbench or a game selection menu system or run system software, get a 3.1 ROM on its own, WHDLoad takes care of all the Kickstart incompatibilities.

If you don't want to wait you could grab an A590 expansion, which has a SCSI hard drive and up to 2MB RAM in it. It attaches to the side of the Amiga. Don't worry about getting expensive SCSI-to-IDE converters, you can get SCSI card readers and stick a couple of CFs and a SD card in there. You can get those here https://a4000t.com/store/

You don't need a faster CPU to access SCSI or CFs, you'll be fine with the 68000. If anything, you may want to swap the 68000 chip for a 68010 so you can quit back to Workbench while playing WHDLoad games. The chip is a straight swap and doesn't need an accelerator.

The upcoming ACA500 is a horrendous abomination that hangs out the side of your Amiga with its chips exposed, just asking to be covered in dust and stood on by the cat. It gives you 2MB RAM and IDE, and lets you add an A1200 accelerator to it which makes it look even more ridiculous. It'll most-likely cost more than Kipper's internal 8MB/IDE/CF/Clock expansion too. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Zeus68k but it does look exciting.
 
There's also an IDE interface made by mkl, called the IDE68k. This adds the Gayle emulation functionality from the A600 and allows you to fit an IDE hard drive inside an A500 or A500 Plus.

Mkl is on here and here's the thread.

https://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=7158

;)
 
My ideal scenario is simple: I’d like to get an HD, or preferably a CF card, with a bunch of games stored on it... and play them.

....

I just wanna play Magicland Dizzy. ;)

If your sole interest is playing games, you could even leave out the whole harddisk option. Replace your internal diskdrive with an SD floppy emulator (do a Google search for Lotharek SD Floppy Emulator), stuff it with your preferred games and you're ready to go! :)
 
Thanks all for the responses.

The A590 does seem like an easy option, but they don't seem to surface too often. I like the idea of adding some crazy new hardware over the original Amiga expansions anyway... I may well wreck the machine attempting it, but I'd like to have a tinker. It seems the SCSI card readers are a fair bit more expensive than the internal expansion options too.

The floppy emulator looks like an awesome bit of kit, but I'd prefer the HDD route if I can. My initial requirement is to get some games running, but I think I'd feel there was a lot of unrealised potential if I left it there.

I had a look at the IDE68k, but there's a lot of information on the detail page that goes well over my head and makes me think I might run into difficulties installing it.
It sounds like Kipper's expansion would tick all the boxes with more RAM & IDE/CF, and from the looks of the existing memory expansion it seems easier to fit. I can't seem to find any info about the upcoming board though - can anyone point me to a thread or page with some info?


Agreed, scrapping this and getting a 1200 is almost certainly an easier option, but I kinda want to see what I can do with this. I'm entirely new to modding any system at all, but I think it's fantastic that people are still working on breathing new life into retro hardware and I'd like to have a play.


As for getting the battery out - I looked at that and seems I need a soldering iron. Did I mention I was new to this?
Bought one on Amazon, so I'll give that a go when it arrives. Do I then need to replace it with a new battery or just leave it out? I read something about updating start up scripts to set the date as the battery wouldn't keep it, but I've no idea where I'd find those - I currently can't do anything with the system except stare at an animation enticing me to insert a disk... of which I posses none. :(
 
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As for getting the battery out - I looked at that and seems I need a soldering iron. Did I mention I was new to this?
Bought one on Amazon, so I'll give that a go when it arrives. Do I then need to replace it with a new battery or just leave it out? I read something about updating start up scripts to set the date as the battery wouldn't keep it, but I've no idea where I'd find those - I currently can't do anything with the system except stare at an animation enticing me to insert a disk... of which I posses none. :(

If you don't want to replace the battery (which I wouldn't, as there is not much point) then you don't need to de-solder it. You can simply cut the battery off. In fact cutting it off is probably easier if you don't have soldering skills. In any case, practice soldering on something non-working before you start the job.
 
Er, not to be off topic but you seem to need a set of 2.04 disks. If you PM me I have a set I can sell.
 
My ideal scenario is simple: I’d like to get an HD, or preferably a CF card, with a bunch of games stored on it... and play them.

....

I just wanna play Magicland Dizzy. ;)

If your sole interest is playing games, you could even leave out the whole harddisk option. Replace your internal diskdrive with an SD floppy emulator (do a Google search for Lotharek SD Floppy Emulator), stuff it with your preferred games and you're ready to go! :)

Agree 100%

HxC floppy emulator is a wonderful add-on for an A500.




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I have gone down the A500 with SCSI and CF reader path, and honestly it's not that great. You end up with an Amiga that's basically does what an A600 does, but for a much higher price tag! Not to mention, if you have a sidecar expansion, the thing gets huge! Say goodbye to all your desk space :D

But you seem determined, so some tips from me..

* A590 is not your only choice. Look out after GVP Impact II, they are IMHO much nicer looking and they work great with CF card readers. For instance, you can boot from the CF slot instead of having a PCMCIA>CF card adapter, which the A590 requires. You could also get the Alfapower 500 which is a IDE controller, so you don't even need the SCSI CF reader. I believe they work OK with CF cards right off the bat.
* If you are going for the IDE68k, keep in mind that you also need to replace the Kickstart chip for a newer version. 2.05 from A600 is enough, 3.1 is preferrable, but another cost nonetheless.
* You don't need a Kickstart switch to play older games. There are boot disks you can use to load Kickstart 1.3 into memory which allows you to play them after that. This doesn't work with all games, but a lot of them.
* Trapdoor memory expansions are different for A500 and A500+. Make sure you get one for A500+.
 
Thanks again for the help chaps.
Last week I knew literally nothing, whatosever, about any form of Amiga. Now I feel like I have a fairly good grasp on the capabilities and options... So that's nice. :D

It's somewhat galling that it would be cheaper to literally buy a whole new system than to get this one going, but such is life.

I haven't quite decided what I'm going to do with this yet. My feeling is that Kipper's version of the IDE68k would be the way to go - if it does indeed come with the extra RAM... the thread I found on it isn't clear on whether it's an expansion or just a redesign of the IDE68k to fit better with the RAM expansion.

On the other hand, the floppy emulator looks awesome and could be reused in other machines in the future as well. I always wanted an Amstrad CPC 6128 as a kid. ;)

In any case, I'm pretty sure I don't want to get a sidecar expansion as the machine is big enough already!

I'm also keeping an eye on the price of A600s...

@bdb - Thanks for the offer... I have a friend over here who says he can sort me out with a copy of Workbench, but if he fails to come through I'll be in touch.
 
My friend has indeed come through with a copy of Workbench, however it's 3.0.
There's no manual with it - although it appears to be in original packaging.
Seems to work ok, in that it loads up and I can click through windows and such. I can't seem to find info online anywhere - is there any reason I shouldn't be using 3.0 on the A500+?
 
No, but WB 3.0 is for the A1200 upwards and you won't be able to display AGA modes. For general stuff it will be fine.
 
Fair enough... so I should just be able to use it to launch stuff from my eventual HD solution then? ;)
 
Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem. A 3.1 Kickstart ROM will help things along nicely too, to go with the workbench 3.0.
 
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