Lest We Forget -2012
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Am I the only person who thinks Rememberance day should only be about WWI and WWII soldiers? I do not agree with almost any military action taken in recent years but our involvement in the world wars was unavoidable for obvious reasons.
No disrespect to current armed forces intended but the wars they are involved in are none of our business and are fought for all the wrong reasons.
No disrespect to current armed forces intended but the wars they are involved in are none of our business and are fought for all the wrong reasons.
Justin
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they are still serving for our country, regardless of the orders and if you agree with the political reasons, they are still men and women serving in our armed forces and should be supported.
just my veiw but then again i am bias
That's not what I mean, this rememberance day has been going since 1919 and was started especially for those involved in WWI. Therefore to me it should be about remembering the World War victims, not the current oil wars.they are still serving for our country, regardless of the orders and if you agree with the political reasons, they are still men and women serving in our armed forces and should be supported.
just my veiw but then again i am bias
In those wars there wasn't much choice it was fight or be ruled by the Nazi's. Today people get a choice, they see what wars we are involved in and why and they still chose to sign up. It's completely different in my view.
Justin
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fair enuff mate, we live in a country where we are all allowed our own views thanks to these people.
and with that said i shall walk away
and with that said i shall walk away
@ Acid
I take your point about conscription versus voluntary sign-up, but in my opinion, any conflict with loss of life is one conflict too many....
The Haig fund that created the Poppy Appeal was created to help victims of WW1; however, it has come to symbolise the commemoration of all loss of life from all conflicts fought since then.
There's always Help for Heroes, if you want to support a more modern charity that helps victims of modern conflicts.
I take your point about conscription versus voluntary sign-up, but in my opinion, any conflict with loss of life is one conflict too many....
The Haig fund that created the Poppy Appeal was created to help victims of WW1; however, it has come to symbolise the commemoration of all loss of life from all conflicts fought since then.
There's always Help for Heroes, if you want to support a more modern charity that helps victims of modern conflicts.
A day that should stand forever as a reminder that good brave Men and Women stood and were counted and prevailed over the unthinkable, "I bow before them in solemn gratitude"
Supaduper
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I can see where you are coming from Merlin. But I always think of old men wearing their medals and ribbons with pride, that's what I associate with Remeberance day. Current serving military are of course deserving of full respect too but not for the same reason in my view.
Any war is a sad event and it takes immense courage to go and fight in them.
Any war is a sad event and it takes immense courage to go and fight in them.
That's what they fought for. That's what my late Grandfather died for. And yet now we have Political Correctness which is nothing but propaganda and brainwashing, disguised as a moral code, for the elites to achieve their objectives. My Grandfather would be disgusted with how stifled free speech now is.
Slight mini rant there...
Back on topic, I support all our boys and girls in the military. They are often the forgotten heroes who do a job most of us could never do. They need to be paid more and loved more by their country.
My step father was in ww2 in Africa , he joined with 2 of his mates but only he came back. He never said what happened to them but I can imagine..
But yes I'll remembering the fallen on Sunday, to me it's for ww1 & ww2 bit only because I knew people who fought in those wars, however Remembrance Sunday is about remembering the fallen from any of the wars we fought in.
Mike.
But yes I'll remembering the fallen on Sunday, to me it's for ww1 & ww2 bit only because I knew people who fought in those wars, however Remembrance Sunday is about remembering the fallen from any of the wars we fought in.
Mike.
my grandad was in ww2 he as part of a special group that took out oil dumps and other stuff i cant really say much more
he had a Gurkha in his team and four others who he said went through hell and back for his missions
but all i could find out from the m.o.d was he was a stoker on the HMS Saumarez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Saumarez_(G12)
a pic my uncle in oz sent me
i also have a great uncle who is buried in holland from ww1 my nan used to talk about
but for me the Remembrance Day is for all our forces past and present
he had a Gurkha in his team and four others who he said went through hell and back for his missions
but all i could find out from the m.o.d was he was a stoker on the HMS Saumarez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Saumarez_(G12)
a pic my uncle in oz sent me
i also have a great uncle who is buried in holland from ww1 my nan used to talk about
but for me the Remembrance Day is for all our forces past and present
Justin
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I imagine that bullets, explosives and fire when coming in your direction are pretty damned scary whether they're delivered by Nazis, Taliban or confused allies. Certainly the results are similar.
I don't have a problem with remembrance day being used to commemorate the actions of soldiers in any conflict - politicians may decide who is going to be shooting at our armed forces and we may not agree, but remember these are the guys that we'll be looking to to preserve our way of life if something bad happens at home.
One thing that does upset me about the use of the armed forces is the suggestion that they should provide labour to sort out industrial disputes. When the bin men go on strike in Edinburgh they should not be covered by the army. You wanna find someone to provide the cover picking up bins there are plenty of people in the country who don't already have a job to do.
I don't have a problem with remembrance day being used to commemorate the actions of soldiers in any conflict - politicians may decide who is going to be shooting at our armed forces and we may not agree, but remember these are the guys that we'll be looking to to preserve our way of life if something bad happens at home.
One thing that does upset me about the use of the armed forces is the suggestion that they should provide labour to sort out industrial disputes. When the bin men go on strike in Edinburgh they should not be covered by the army. You wanna find someone to provide the cover picking up bins there are plenty of people in the country who don't already have a job to do.
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Only One Truth
Only One Truth
In my view, war only has one truth, people die. The reason for the conflict is secondary, be it differing political ideology, territorial or economic gain. For me the 11th is to remember all those lost in conflict be they serving in the armed forces or innocent civilians caught in the middle. I hope one day we can find a better way to resolve our disputes. Thats the debt we (and those who come after us) owe to those who lost their lives.
Only One Truth
In my view, war only has one truth, people die. The reason for the conflict is secondary, be it differing political ideology, territorial or economic gain. For me the 11th is to remember all those lost in conflict be they serving in the armed forces or innocent civilians caught in the middle. I hope one day we can find a better way to resolve our disputes. Thats the debt we (and those who come after us) owe to those who lost their lives.
Today should be about remembering ALL those that died wearing a uniform for our country.
People that think it should be about only the world wars obviously haven't lost anyone they know in any recent conflicts.
To quote Team America:
"Freedom isn't free, it costs lives like you and me"
Today is one of the few days where soldiers and ex-soldiers, like me, aren't treat with disdain and embarrassment. Like a dirty part of society that has to be lived with.
We volunteered to serve, we never volunteer WHERE or WHEN. When they tell you your going to fight, they remove your right to leave the forces until you get back. That's why we should remember them.
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People that think it should be about only the world wars obviously haven't lost anyone they know in any recent conflicts.
To quote Team America:
"Freedom isn't free, it costs lives like you and me"
Today is one of the few days where soldiers and ex-soldiers, like me, aren't treat with disdain and embarrassment. Like a dirty part of society that has to be lived with.
We volunteered to serve, we never volunteer WHERE or WHEN. When they tell you your going to fight, they remove your right to leave the forces until you get back. That's why we should remember them.
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I think the idea of the poppy is that it is a small subtle thing that you can do to show your support without having to make a big deal out of it. I think Google got it right.
The First Two Minute Silence in London (11 November 1919) was reported in the Manchester Guardian on 12 November 1919:
The first stroke of eleven produced a magical effect. The tram cars glided into stillness, motors ceased to cough and fume, and stopped dead, and the mighty-limbed dray horses hunched back upon their loads and stopped also, seeming to do it of their own volition. Someone took off his hat, and with a nervous hesitancy the rest of the men bowed their heads also. Here and there an old soldier could be detected slipping unconsciously into the posture of 'attention'. An elderly woman, not far away, wiped her eyes, and the man beside her looked white and stern. Everyone stood very still ... The hush deepened. It had spread over the whole city and become so pronounced as to impress one with a sense of audibility. It was a silence which was almost pain ... And the spirit of memory brooded over it all.
The first stroke of eleven produced a magical effect. The tram cars glided into stillness, motors ceased to cough and fume, and stopped dead, and the mighty-limbed dray horses hunched back upon their loads and stopped also, seeming to do it of their own volition. Someone took off his hat, and with a nervous hesitancy the rest of the men bowed their heads also. Here and there an old soldier could be detected slipping unconsciously into the posture of 'attention'. An elderly woman, not far away, wiped her eyes, and the man beside her looked white and stern. Everyone stood very still ... The hush deepened. It had spread over the whole city and become so pronounced as to impress one with a sense of audibility. It was a silence which was almost pain ... And the spirit of memory brooded over it all.
