Closed LumaTOLB - LumaFix with TOLB combo

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Any plans to let people buy these from a EU distributor, for customs reasons? I could use one for my Reloaded board since my regular Lumafix will not fit underneath the keyboard due to the ZIF socket.
 
demolition said:
Any plans to let people buy these from a EU distributor, for customs reasons? I could use one for my Reloaded board since my regular Lumafix will not fit underneath the keyboard due to the ZIF socket.
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I'm sorry to say this but you will likely have exactly the same problem with LumaTOLB.

It is only slightly thinner than a normal LumaFix.

Part of the solution may reside in the type of VIC-II you are using. If you have a 8562/8565, no heat sink is required.
 
eslapion said:
I'm sorry to say this but you will likely have exactly the same problem with LumaTOLB.
It is only slightly thinner than a normal LumaFix.
Part of the solution may reside in the type of VIC-II you are using. If you have a 8562/8565, no heat sink is required.
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I have no heat sink on the VIC-II and it just fits underneath the keyboard, so there is not much room for extra stuff being added there. So I guess the LumaTOLB is only compatible with Reloaded boards without ZIF sockets, or perhaps in breadbin cases (I use mine in a C64C case)?
 
demolition said:
I have no heat sink on the VIC-II and it just fits underneath the keyboard, so there is not much room for extra stuff being added there. So I guess the LumaTOLB is only compatible with Reloaded boards without ZIF sockets, or perhaps in breadbin cases (I use mine in a C64C case)?
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I really suggest you use a breadbin case for the config you want.

Imagine a config for a C64r with LumaTOLB (or LumaFix) and a ceramic 6567 or 6569 which requires a large heat sink. This is the all dressed pizza configuration of them all and certainly will only fit in a breadbin case.

That is why I ask people provide me with detailed information about the configuration with which they want to use their LumaTOLB before purchasing but somehow either they don't understand what I am asking for or are reluctant to say.
 
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Amon_RA said:
What is the total height of the LumaTOLB (potentiometers included)?
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This is a bit of a trick question because the prototype requires a pair of passthrough pin headers which the final version will not have.

The prototype is 18.5mm tall from the tip of the pins to the top of the screw knobs of the pots.

Once inserted in the VIC-II socket, the prototype stands 15.75mm above the socket at the tip of the knobs.

I know for a fact the final version will stand lower but I have not received the correct type of pins to say exactly how much.
 
are you releasing your design? I would suggest that you do since it's derived on one that has been released, the lumafix. That's the typical opensource license model, even if the creator of the lumafix didn't specify one.
 
oggie said:
are you releasing your design? I would suggest that you do since it's derived on one that has been released, the lumafix. That's the typical opensource license model, even if the creator of the lumafix didn't specify one.
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'Typical' is irrelevant. There are many licenses used with open source designs that does not require derived work to be open sourced as well. What matters is which license was used for the original work and if nothing was specified, then you must accept that all bets are off. You can't expect people to read your mind.
 
oggie said:
are you releasing your design? I would suggest that you do since it's derived on one that has been released, the lumafix. That's the typical opensource license model, even if the creator of the lumafix didn't specify one.
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There is no programmed chip on LumaTOLB. Anyone looking at the board components and traces can see the design. Perhaps even copy it if they feel it's worth their while.

There is nothing hidden or protected about it.

Also, this board has the same effect as LumaFix but uses a very different design, different components operating at a different voltage to achieve the same result. Just as PLAnkton does the same job as a genuine Commodore 906114-01 PLA but uses completely different electronic components.
 
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Maybe I should have phrased it differently (not that it matters how I phrase it). The original creator freely released the lumafix design. It would be a common courtesy to also do the same for any derived work. But some people don't follow the same moral code, now do they?

demolition said:
oggie said:
are you releasing your design? I would suggest that you do since it's derived on one that has been released, the lumafix. That's the typical opensource license model, even if the creator of the lumafix didn't specify one.
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'Typical' is irrelevant. There are many licenses used with open source designs that does not require derived work to be open sourced as well. What matters is which license was used for the original work and if nothing was specified, then you must accept that all bets are off. You can't expect people to read your mind.
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oggie said:
Maybe I should have phrased it differently (not that it matters how I phrase it). The original creator freely released the lumafix design. It would be a common courtesy to also do the same for any derived work. But some people don't follow the same moral code, now do they?
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I may be mistaken but it is e5frog (Fredric Blaholtz) who designed the PCB for the LumaFix boards I have seen. Well, it is also him who designed the PCBs (proto and final) for LumaTOLB and I can assure you his name is there. The PCB clearly says 'by Francois and Fredric'.

If there is somebody else who should have been mentioned then... forgive my ignorance.
 
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eslapion said:
oggie said:
Maybe I should have phrased it differently (not that it matters how I phrase it). The original creator freely released the lumafix design. It would be a common courtesy to also do the same for any derived work. But some people don't follow the same moral code, now do they?
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I may be mistaken but it is e5frog (Fredric Blaholtz) who designed the PCB for the LumaFix boards I have seen. Well, it is also him who designed the PCBs (proto and final) for LumaTOLB and I can assure you his name is there. The PCB clearly says 'by Francois and Fredric'.

If there is somebody else who should have been mentioned then... forgive my ignorance.
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I know efrog did the lumafix. I was unaware he also did the lumatolb. If that's the case and you've made no modifications to his design, then I apologize.
 
oggie said:
I know efrog did the lumafix. I was unaware he also did the lumatolb. If that's the case and you've made no modifications to his design, then I apologize.
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I made modifications to his design and he implemented them in LumaTOLB's PCB for me.

It would be quite difficult for him not to know about them.
 
Important notice to buyers!

Please note there is a small problem with the first batch of circuit boards and there are 2 consequences:

1. It takes more time than anticipated to solder and install some components and the shipping of some orders is delayed as a consequence - YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR!

2. There will be some small blobs of solder on the pins at the corners of the larger IC on the board. DO NOT WORRY! These are all connected to the ground and have no impact on the proper functioning of the product. THE IMPACT IS PURELY COSMETIC! All units are fully tested before shipping.
 
Update: The first 2 units have shipped!

Added edit:
6 units have shipped
 
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I was indicated it may be a good idea to create a version of LumaTOLB for the C128.

Anyone interested ?
 
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