No returns, no replacements, no warranties. Private sale.

[Buzzfuzz]

I say: although tested the hardware is old, it is sold as is

Meaning it works, but it can be that you have it in use for 2 months and it dies for some reason, just as an example or that it may be a bit dusty or it is not pristine.
Like if you are expecting a new and shiny item, well that is not realistic.

That doesn't mean I avoid warranty or things as it is DOA, but some users are also a bit less careful with hardware, so it also becomes a question of was this installed properly, has some form of ESD killed the hardware or incorrect voltages for example ?
There is lot to be said for what happend when it was installed or has it been installed correctly ?

I get that you can't say No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever but where does a seller verify that it was handled correctly ?

 

[YouKnowWho]

I get that you can't say No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever but where does a seller verify that it was handled correctly ?

I don't understand why you note that you can't say THAT as a seller. Why not? Those are your terms on the sale. I will decide if the are acceptable to me. You did your best to describe the item, you want it sold, final sale, no contact or thinking about it once you sold it. How is that not a reasonable term for a seller to set?

...and I'm asking this as overwhelmingly a buyer vs. seller of items.

P.S. Why is underwear not returnable in stores? How dare they set such conditions on underwear purchases? I only know if it will be comfortable after I try it on, and that instantly makes them non-returnable. Such unfair seller rule and yet somehow...we all have underwear...hopefully.

 

[Timtheloon]

yet somehow...we all have underwear...hopefully.

Na I like going Commando

 

[YouKnowWho]

why is everyone missing the point and going off on all kinds of tangents ??

items should arrive "As Described" , a seller cannot absolve themselves with unfair terms of sale, washing their hands of ANY issues at the POINT of delivery.

It's not complicated.

just NO, "Private sale: No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever."

rinse repeat.

Forgive if you feel we strayed. I was simply addressing the points in your leading post on the thread as per below. I thought the issue with "as described" was with the terms sellers may wish to set on a transaction.

I/we don't want to police the sales here at Amibay

BUT!!!!!!!

No returns, no replacements, no warranties. Private sale.

even worse

Private sale: No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever.

Has no place here especially when item/s are upwards of €1000

 

[YouKnowWho]

Na I like going Commando

I've got it on BluRay! All I'm going to say is: "Let off some steam, Bennett."

 

[Watson]

Why is underwear not returnable in stores

Underwear and electronics are very different! We all know the reason and the same goes for ear, nose and mouth/tongue jewelry, hygiene

 

[Watson]

Na I like going Commando

Is this what they taught you in the Navy, Tim?

 

[Buzzfuzz]

Is this what they taught you in the Navy, Tim?

Smelly balls, but I do it all the time also

I don't understand why you note that you can't say THAT as a seller. Why not? Those are your terms on the sale. I will decide if the are acceptable to me. You did your best to describe the item, you want it sold, final sale, no contact or thinking about it once you sold it. How is that not a reasonable term for a seller to set?

...and I'm asking this as overwhelmingly a buyer vs. seller of items.

P.S. Why is underwear not returnable in stores? How dare they set such conditions on underwear purchases? I only know if it will be comfortable after I try it on, and that instantly makes them non-returnable. Such unfair seller rule and yet somehow...we all have underwear...hopefully.

Well that is the grey area here, I can understand that some form of liability is needed in case it gets lost, but as I said, never had anything arrive DOA when it was tested and working.
That said, I still think there is a lot to be said for improper handeling and installing.

I once got a GVP Combo card back, not here, but a local forum and the settings were all wrong, I said to him, I will send it back with the correct settings, he it works now, yeah DUH

 

[YouKnowWho]

Underwear and electronics are very different! We all know the reason and the same goes for ear, nose and mouth/tongue jewelry, hygiene

Nonsense! We're living too clean. Immune systems weak. That's why there are so many allergies to everything. Not that long ago, didn't know anyone with an allergy. Now everyone has one, myself included. I'm allergic to any proposals that hinder adulthood, problem analysis, problem resolution, consequences for own decisions. No cure unfortunately. Yet.

I once got a GVP Combo card back, not here, but a local forum and the settings were all wrong, I said to him, I will send it back with the correct settings, he it works now, yeah DUH

Lovely @Buzzfuzz. And obviously you're a sweetheart of a guy helping this individual out, which if I may be so forward to say comes across in nearly every one of your posts. However, your example GVP case reads to me like "No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever" would have been perfectly ethical limitation in your example and in that case plenty of CO2 emissions would be saved for shipping, along with the cost in both direction, and the buyer would have learned this jumper settings issue on his own through frustration and taking the initiative to figure that lovely combo card out. Maybe eventually it would have crossed his mind that "maybe it's not the item or the seller. Maybe it's ME?"

EDIT: by the way @Buzzfuzz. Not long ago, while in Netherlands, I had mustard soup. It was incredible. Have you any recipe you can share?

 

[Boing-ball]

I've got it on BluRay! All I'm going to say is: "Let off some steam, Bennett."

My favourite quotes. “You know when I said I would kill you last”……..”I lied!”. “What happened to Sully?”….”I let him go”.

 

[YouKnowWho]

My favourite quotes. “You know when I said I would kill you last”……..”I lied!”. “What happened to Sully?”….”I let him go”.

@Boing-ball - that whole sequence is poetry! All of it. Let us rewind to how it begins...

"Listen, loyalty is very touching. But it is not the most important thing in your life right now! But what IS important is gravity! I have to remind you Sully, this is my weak arm!"

Let us be honest. Commando better be in the Library of Congress National Film Registry for preservation due to cultural significance.

 

[miggymad]

Is this a film review now?

Let's get back on track please ...

 

[YouKnowWho]

Is this a film review now?

Let's get back on track please ...

We're just injecting some action...and comedy into an otherwise dry subject. Essential if you ask me.

Also, through this Commando talk, we have learned about @Timtheloon and @Buzzfuzz big savings on underwear to enhance their Amiga-hardware purchase budgets. "See this BFG? Bought it with this year's underwear budget."

Also we have learned how far they will go to refuse to accept a no-returns policy. That's on topic.

 

[Buzzfuzz]

We're just injecting some action...and comedy into an otherwise dry subject. Essential if you ask me.

Also, through this Commando talk, we have learned about @Timtheloon and @Buzzfuzz big savings on underwear to enhance their Amiga-hardware purchase budgets. "See this BFG? Bought it with this year's underwear budget."

Also we have learned how far they will go to refuse to accept a no-returns policy. That's on topic.

Lol I laughed so hard on that one

Anyway ontopic, yeah user error is one of the key things here and I can understand from a sellers perspective that it would be said.
I think we need definitions on warranty and liability for both sellers and buyers.

So gentlemen, the key thing is here, are we going to set up rules about this ?

 

[miggymad]

For me, no rules are needed in this. Guidelines perhaps but nothing set in stone.

As I have always said ... Caveat emptor.

Your views may differ.

 

[YouKnowWho]

So gentlemen, the key thing is here, are we going to set up rules about this ?

For me, no rules are needed in this.

Makes perfect sense. Sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action.

I honestly have to say that at this moment, right now, this place, AmiBaY just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

People on both sides of the transactions are adults, understanding, helpful. As mainly a buyer, I enjoy the responsibility of being a good buyer as well. Not causing trouble for sellers, looking for solutions myself before reaching out to sellers. I have encountered nothing but good people here and it clearly shows that good behaviour breeds good behaviour.

There was one incident where someone's account was compromised and an item was sold or bought. I don't know the details because I'm nor privy to them, nor wish to know them for privacy reasons. But from what I recall the action was swift, things sorted and risks minimized. No such thing as 100% safe out there folks. For anyone who saw John Travolta in The Boy in the Plastic Bubble, you know that eventually, he had to leave the bubble if he wanted to live. For anyone who plays poker you value wins and you remember bad beats too. It happens. That is the risk of having access to retro hardware all around the world. Isn't it amazing? Isn't it worth it? Have you forgotten how you only had access to for-sale adds in your local buy'n'sell paper? Or in your local area code BBS?

 

[davideo]

For me, no rules are needed in this. Guidelines perhaps but nothing set in stone.

As I have always said ... Caveat emptor.

Your views may differ.

Personally I don't think additional rules are required.

Perhaps guidelines in a similar fashion to our protected payment guide - which most members ignore anyway

 

[Buzzfuzz]

Perhaps guidelines in a similar fashion to our protected payment guide - which most members ignore anyway

Really ?
Ignoring guidelines on payment, oh no no no no

 

[YouKnowWho]

Really ?
Ignoring guidelines on payment, oh no no no no

Trust. The final frontier.

These are the voyages of a retro hobbyist, who wishes to get that rare piece of kit.

To boldly go, where no one has gone before.

Also, we're all apparently Friends and Family around this neck of the interwoods.

Also...there are payment guidelines? Time for a link!

 

[davideo]

Trust. The final frontier.

These are the voyages of a retro hobbyist, who wishes to get that rare piece of kit.

To boldly go, where no one has gone before.

Also, we're all apparently Friends and Family around this neck of the interwoods.

Also...there are payment guidelines? Time for a link!

From the rules

Paying for Items
It is not the responsibility of AmiBay to enforce any type of payment. Payment methods are as agreed between the seller and the buyer.

AmiBay recommends that all payments should be made with a protected method of payment and strongly discourages the use of non traceable payment methods such as crypto currency.