RF vs Scart vs Composite vs Svideo vs GBS - PICS INSIDE!

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I'm confused, I've NEVER got a picture as clear as that with S-Video on any system.
My understanding is that RGB SCART is superior to S-Video, not the other way around! This is based on my findings.

the rgb scart is slightly clearer, less blurry, than the svideo.

the weird stripes down the screen on the scart input is a lot to do with this specific tv, it seems the svideo scales better. its the only tv I've managed to find with scart! :p

however, I'm yet to find an LCD, or settings, that doesn't make solid colours, or fine patterns, look like a dogs breakfast using the GBS...
 
AJ, I dont know why your GBS looks so bad, this is what mine looks like on my 1280x1024 Mitsubishi Diamond Digital LCD Monitor (GBS-8220 v3.0 @ 1024x768):

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Although I will admit that I have added a 330ohm resistor to the c-sync and a 220uF Cap to each RGB Line. :)
 
Actually those pics are slightly washed out as I had my desk lamp on, here's a better pic of the palette:

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Your's shows savage banding that mine doesnt have??
 
@AmmoJammo

Now that is a VERY tidy SVideo Mod!!!!!

I assume you are amplifying the Y/C output for the CXA1145 ?

It looks great!
 
Actually those pics are slightly washed out as I had my desk lamp on, here's a better pic of the palette:



Your's shows savage banding that mine doesnt have??

yours clearly has the same banding? the colour sections are smaller, so its not as obvious, and the workbench screen appears to be a lot blurrier, which may make the banding appear less severe, but it looks almost identical to mine.
 
@AmmoJammo

Now that is a VERY tidy SVideo Mod!!!!!

I assume you are amplifying the Y/C output for the CXA1145 ?

It looks great!
Agreed, so compact and tidy! :cool:

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Actually those pics are slightly washed out as I had my desk lamp on, here's a better pic of the palette:



Your's shows savage banding that mine doesnt have??

yours clearly has the same banding? the colour sections are smaller, so its not as obvious, and the workbench screen appears to be a lot blurrier, which may make the banding appear less severe, but it looks almost identical to mine.
My iPhone doesnt do it justice, looks dead smooth with no vertical banding in RL. :)
 
@AmmoJammo

Now that is a VERY tidy SVideo Mod!!!!!

I assume you are amplifying the Y/C output for the CXA1145 ?

It looks great!

indeed, and thanks! ;)

the webpage said to use SMD parts... but the way I see it, smd+pcb means longer connections between components, compared to the way I did it.

Webpage also said to use ceramic and tantalum, which I did, as I assume they give better video quality! :p
 
Actually those pics are slightly washed out as I had my desk lamp on, here's a better pic of the palette:



Your's shows savage banding that mine doesnt have??

yours clearly has the same banding? the colour sections are smaller, so its not as obvious, and the workbench screen appears to be a lot blurrier, which may make the banding appear less severe, but it looks almost identical to mine.

I discovered if I take the pic from the side it captures a more accurate pic:

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@AmmoJammo

It certainly show's... I think that one of the best (if not the best) image I have seen from SVideo and I have even built my own SVideo RGB Encoders!

If you dont mind me asking (and taking it a bit off topic) What is this website you mention, have you a link?
 
To see the difference between RGB and s-video, you need to compare colours. That is, put for example blocks of red, green and blue (or any colours) next to each other in DPaint and look at how sharp the transitions of the colours are.

In s-video the luma channel (black and white) is certainly very sharp, but it is the chroma (colour) where things have lower resolution. In RGB it makes no difference what colour a pixel is, since all the data is transferred over separate lines.

I have made a comparison like this earlier. Open these pictures in separate tabs in the browser, or download them so you can easily flick between the different images.

These are all captured from my Amiga, running Turrican II, nothing is from an emulator or otherwise altered. I used a USB device to capture composite and s-video and a PCI capture card for RGB.

You can quite well see how the composite image is blurry overall, while s-video is very sharp as far as the greyscale data goes, but the various colours on the uniforms blend to each other. In RGB mode the image is essentially flawless.
 
Once I have the compact flash car installed and setup, I'll give Turrican II a go, and see how it looks ;)

currently booting from floppies while I'm waiting for bits to arrive in the post.

Looking at the pics in the first post, similar colours do appear to bleed into each other more with the s-video than the rgb ;)

I'll also try to get rgb pics that aren't pink! lol
 
I'll see what happens when I switch between pal and ntsc on the A600, I assume just switching at startup is suitable? ;)
Unfortunately, switching resolutions on s-video is a no-go, most TV sets get very confused by changing the clock/vertical refresh on the fly (self experience).

Better use RGB/VGA (SCART is the same behaviour) and have the ability to switch resolutions on the go.
 
I'll see what happens when I switch between pal and ntsc on the A600, I assume just switching at startup is suitable? ;)
Unfortunately, switching resolutions on s-video is a no-go, most TV sets get very confused by changing the clock/vertical refresh on the fly (self experience).

Better use RGB/VGA (SCART is the same behaviour) and have the ability to switch resolutions on the go.

I'm fairly sure we were talking about the gbs.
 
This is great stuff. I'd always worked on the assumption that RGB SCART > S-Video > Composite > RF and I still think that's largely the case. What's interesting to me is the distances between them.

I'd always thought that RF to Composite was a huge improvement, and going up to S-Video, then to RGB SCART were smaller. Having seen this thread, and my own recent experiences of Composite, I've revised that. Composite really isn't all that much better than RF.

Also, it looks to me as if S-Video and RGB SCART are also a lot closer than I thought they'd be.

:thumbsup:
 
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