I'm sure they'll turn up eventually
How long ago were these things sent and by what service?
(I hope you sent the 060 special delivery?)
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I'm sure they'll turn up eventually
How long ago were these things sent and by what service?
(I hope you sent the 060 special delivery?)
yeah thats pretty rude, dont appreciate it thanks
Packages from UK usually takes up to inexcusable two months and a half to reach my hands! If they reach...
But the record was a package from USPS: FIVE ENTIRE MONTHS to deliver an Apollo 1240 (currently used as a door stop). Defective from day zero.
But the record was a package from USPS: FIVE ENTIRE MONTHS to deliver an Apollo 1240 (currently used as a door stop). Defective from day zero.
I'm at a lose why things take so long to arrive within some parts of the UK. As was mentioned earlier in this thread the volumes of mail have dramatically dropped in the last months and years. Or have they?
It was actually so bad this evening that they actually shut 1 of the 4 main IMPs down in the distribution centre I work at because they didn't have enough work to utilise it, but interestingly also because they were so understaffed that they didn't have enough people to run it!
However, that is just letter volumes. Parcel volumes are rising and it is true the postmen who deliver on foot or bike cannot carry and deliver large items. What they should be doing is putting a card through your door informing you of this fact so you can go to the sorting office and collect it yourself.
I must say that I don't have any issues where I live. I ordered something on Wednesday and it arrived this morning, no problem. Although being in a more rural location probably actually helps for once as everything is by van.
It was actually so bad this evening that they actually shut 1 of the 4 main IMPs down in the distribution centre I work at because they didn't have enough work to utilise it, but interestingly also because they were so understaffed that they didn't have enough people to run it!
However, that is just letter volumes. Parcel volumes are rising and it is true the postmen who deliver on foot or bike cannot carry and deliver large items. What they should be doing is putting a card through your door informing you of this fact so you can go to the sorting office and collect it yourself.
I must say that I don't have any issues where I live. I ordered something on Wednesday and it arrived this morning, no problem. Although being in a more rural location probably actually helps for once as everything is by van.
Harrison another conscript eh..shut down an IMP? no wonder we have no work 
The sorting office here is quite a way away, and lots of people no doubt cannot get there..me being one of them but i also don't usually have much trouble getting mail here.
I was discussing this in work the other day, there is no point in having plenty of staff to process the mail and no staff to send it out...it's just stacking up at mail centres
The sorting office here is quite a way away, and lots of people no doubt cannot get there..me being one of them but i also don't usually have much trouble getting mail here.I was discussing this in work the other day, there is no point in having plenty of staff to process the mail and no staff to send it out...it's just stacking up at mail centres
just that you said you dont get good pay. i think the cleaners are minimum wage from romec.
Sorry if offended you.
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I'm sure they'll turn up eventually
How long ago were these things sent and by what service?
(I hope you sent the 060 special delivery?)
yeah thats what customer services said you should sent special delivery and post person should requested how much the value of item is. I sent it when i started work at my delivery office @8am monday 20th. Bit late now when in royal mail distribution now or royal mail thief's hands. My experience is if item has not been delivered within a week, the item has been stolen or lost.
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Harrison another conscript eh..shut down an IMP? no wonder we have no work
I was discussing this in work the other day, there is no point in having plenty of staff to process the mail and no staff to send it out...it's just stacking up at mail centres
what happened to 75% full time staff agreement with union. omg my office is like 75% part time staff.
Next door to me nottingham central office in same building is 95% full time.
The core problem with the Royal Mail is that the union was never reigned in, and it very much remains as unreasonable as it did at the worst of 1970's madness. How many of our industries were destroyed by idiotic union bosses stirring up resistance for the sake of their own ego every time new technology was introduced, under the guise of "protecting jobs". The egotistical fools play upon one of the key challenges to business, staff resistance to change, and try to legitimise and justify fear of a change, portraying change as part of a routine capitalist scheme to increase profits. Thus the collapse of our motor vehicle industry, the consolidation of our independent television industry from brilliant regional companies into one small blob in London, and the state of the Royal Mail, soon to be consolidated into another corporate mess.
It is amazingly frustrating that and organisation like the Royal Mail can have a union that strangles it from within with utterly unreasonable demands that preserve frankly parasitic attitudes to work (the overtime system being utterly scandalous), while the shopworker's unions are more or less owned by Tesco. They are either mired in an anti-productive, terminally parasitic relationship with their workplace or they are sold out and offer nothing to employees whatsoever. In Tesco they have made a ridiculous number of changes to employees conditions completely unopposed by the Union. How many shops try to force their staff to work time outside their contracted hours for no extra pay? When did you last see a shopworkers' strike?
It is amazingly frustrating that and organisation like the Royal Mail can have a union that strangles it from within with utterly unreasonable demands that preserve frankly parasitic attitudes to work (the overtime system being utterly scandalous), while the shopworker's unions are more or less owned by Tesco. They are either mired in an anti-productive, terminally parasitic relationship with their workplace or they are sold out and offer nothing to employees whatsoever. In Tesco they have made a ridiculous number of changes to employees conditions completely unopposed by the Union. How many shops try to force their staff to work time outside their contracted hours for no extra pay? When did you last see a shopworkers' strike?
I am a member of the cwu and unions are needed so that the employees don't get trampled on, and it's not just in terms of pay and conditions there are many ways they could be called upon from conduct to harrasment and so on. I refused to take part in the last strikes because i didn't agree with the motives but the where I work I would not have been subjected to the abuse of crossing the pickets
what I don`t understand is we had the first and the best mail service in the world then we let the politicians spit it up and sell it of to the corporations it don`t make sense to me
I am in UK for over 7 years now and never had problems with royal mail ( I do not work for them 
) , to be honest I am amazed how good it is comparing to my national post office or maybe I was just lucky ...
) , to be honest I am amazed how good it is comparing to my national post office or maybe I was just lucky ...Royal Mail staff have absolutely incredible working terms. When the strikes against modernisation happened, it was like spoiled teenagers stomping their feet. I mean, they struck over the right to use their personal vehicles to make deliveries! Why did they do that? Because pretty much every single delivery office had a scam where they would leave a bunch of packages at base, do their first deliveries, come back have a few cups of tea and scratch their balls for a bit, then take one package each, jump in their cars, do their delivery on the way home, come in the next day and claim 4 hours of overtime.
The poor local Post Office meanwhile is critically understaffed, has queues going out the door, suggesting that actually they are doing very good business, and yet they are still lumbered with the artificial label of being loss making. Why does this happen? Because the unions do not give a monkey's about anyone that looks like a shopworker. So they push the madness of the manual workers, and abandon the shopworkers, who are one of the poorest paid groups of employees in the country.
Well i don't work in a mail centre or post office and our problems are vastly different than the ones postman complain about. The major strike before the last one i did go on but it was more for local pay issues and the fact we don't get as much night rate as the rest of royal mail or the same pay. I don't see how they can justify paying us less night shift rate what job you are doing is irrelevant it's the hours. Our job is part of the automation so hopefully we won't be let go anytime soon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-mail/8575070/20000-Royal-Mail-workers-face-the-axe.html
im sure that will cheer up all the haters
The fact is that as more mail centres close down more strikes will be threatened but i really don't understand what the staff think can be accomplished by doing this. If there is no work there is no work and its actually not Royal Mails fault, its the fault of the previous goverment opening up the market and pricing us out of what little there is about, we lose money for sending granny her letter to the outer hebridies but we are obliged to do it by law. The company policy is never to actually sack anyone they offer voluntary redundancy or the option to move to another area in the business..of course a pay off comes with VR
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-mail/8575070/20000-Royal-Mail-workers-face-the-axe.html
im sure that will cheer up all the haters
The fact is that as more mail centres close down more strikes will be threatened but i really don't understand what the staff think can be accomplished by doing this. If there is no work there is no work and its actually not Royal Mails fault, its the fault of the previous goverment opening up the market and pricing us out of what little there is about, we lose money for sending granny her letter to the outer hebridies but we are obliged to do it by law. The company policy is never to actually sack anyone they offer voluntary redundancy or the option to move to another area in the business..of course a pay off comes with VR
The argument about the public service remit of sending to every little outlying islands is fairly redundant. As far as I am aware most of the competing private sector businesses offer similar services to most remote areas. And where there is a difference, fair to much focus is place upon what makes up a vast minority of the cost and the vast minority of the workload. in the big picture, the public service remit does not really have any impact on Royal Mail's profit or loss, they are trying to reign in the cost and waste in the areas where there is a heavy load.
There is a very good book about the TV industry titled 'Independents Struggle', written by a fairly ardent socialist, which provides the archetypal example of an industry imploding under the unreasonable demands of its workforce. You can get it for 99p in one of the cheapo stores in Nottingham at the minute. Absolute bargain. It is quite interesting to see someone who quite clearly is a socialist in a non-Labour or Communist way metaphorical pounding his head against a brick wall with the frustration of dealing with people seemingly intent treating anyone who wants to do anything productive as the enemy.
Just like in the postal industry, the time came when a job that required twenty men and gave average results, would soon require 5 men and some technology and give great results. And of course its time to down tools and strike for the sake of the 15 comrades who will lose their jobs as a result of this terrible genlocking and titling machine. And then 10 years down the line your genlocking and titling machine has never been used, it is out of date and you output looks so behind the times that nobody is buying your work, and you have to close down and sack all twenty of them anyway.
So we are in agreement Skellionz
There is a very good book about the TV industry titled 'Independents Struggle', written by a fairly ardent socialist, which provides the archetypal example of an industry imploding under the unreasonable demands of its workforce. You can get it for 99p in one of the cheapo stores in Nottingham at the minute. Absolute bargain. It is quite interesting to see someone who quite clearly is a socialist in a non-Labour or Communist way metaphorical pounding his head against a brick wall with the frustration of dealing with people seemingly intent treating anyone who wants to do anything productive as the enemy.
Just like in the postal industry, the time came when a job that required twenty men and gave average results, would soon require 5 men and some technology and give great results. And of course its time to down tools and strike for the sake of the 15 comrades who will lose their jobs as a result of this terrible genlocking and titling machine. And then 10 years down the line your genlocking and titling machine has never been used, it is out of date and you output looks so behind the times that nobody is buying your work, and you have to close down and sack all twenty of them anyway.
So we are in agreement Skellionz
Actually you are wrong other delivery company's will not offer that kind of service and if they did it would be at a huge price. And ultimately still delivered by us
And we make a massive Loss on letters not only because we are obligated%2
And we make a massive Loss on letters not only because we are obligated%2
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As a company that relies on Royal Mail, we have had to endure 5 price rises in the last two years - some by "stealth" (i.e. Pricing In Proportion). Over the same time, service levels of Royal Mail have diminished in slower delivery times.
The latest rises have been really severe with International Signed For services increasing by 17% and some stealth rises where the pricing bands between weights of packages have been made wider. Now package prices increment in 100g levels so if a package is 401g, you pay 500g weight, where as before there was a 420g price.
In a competitive market place, we have had to absorb majority of Royal Mail's price increases and try not to pass them on to customers. We have renegotiated account rates with FedEx and Interlink Express and they now carry a lot more of our packages.
The latest rises have been really severe with International Signed For services increasing by 17% and some stealth rises where the pricing bands between weights of packages have been made wider. Now package prices increment in 100g levels so if a package is 401g, you pay 500g weight, where as before there was a 420g price.
In a competitive market place, we have had to absorb majority of Royal Mail's price increases and try not to pass them on to customers. We have renegotiated account rates with FedEx and Interlink Express and they now carry a lot more of our packages.
Thanks for your reply amigakit and I appreciate your problems regarding pricing, I even use other couriers myself as they are cheaper but you must understand why this is the case, we cannot be as competitive as others can be in the courier Market maybe this needs to change because im sure we could deliver a competetive price. But Royal Mail do not collect parcels from the home and they only do it from business at a cost (which i think is wrong) I am filling out something that hopefully could lead to reduce costs for you as a company from royal mail (if they care enough to follow up on it) stay tuned!
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But what is the fundamental reason that the Royal Mail can not be competitive? They have far better infrastructure than any private company. They have more Government support than any private company. They set their own price as they see fit, and they have what amounts to their own currency in the postage stamp. They Unions are the vital difference. When did a private postage company last have a staff strike?
Postage costs have gone through the roof in the last decade. I keep hearing that they are struggling to maintain the service, but I really do not understand why. Personal postage may have gone downhill, but internet deliveries have greatly increased and online shopping has taken off. But of course, the Royal Mail lost a rather massive contract with Amazon because their staff kept on striking at key times.
Postage costs have gone through the roof in the last decade. I keep hearing that they are struggling to maintain the service, but I really do not understand why. Personal postage may have gone downhill, but internet deliveries have greatly increased and online shopping has taken off. But of course, the Royal Mail lost a rather massive contract with Amazon because their staff kept on striking at key times.
Ill try to answer your questions
The reason we cannot compete is simple say for each letter TNT give to us we get 13p per item a first class stamp is 46p you can see quite easily how the competition laws are against us. We post it for them they offer a cheaper price to the customer and pass it to us to deliver
Government support? Not really any and a bill is going through to privatize us so even less. Possibly helping with the pension deficit
The regulator sets the stamp price not us, and I'll give one example of a stamp price to compare standard 20g or less letter stamp in france 0.58 euros so if you think it's overpriced here
TNT went on strike last year and threatened in oz this year, not sure about others its not like i research it but it proves my point
And Internet parcels are one area we need to improve but our massive infrastructure as you say isn't set up like a couriers to me there is no reason why we cannot offer the same kind of service as a DHL, ParcelForce are at least a few more pound in price and im sure that can be improved they also seem to have removed all link to the fact they are part of the Royal Mail group on their logo! i wonder why that is...
BTW I wish u wouldn't fixate on strikes it's not done lightly and people don't just do it at the drop of a hat..RM are also not the only people to do it, I do think are union is still a bit stuck in the 70s but yeah...
I don't know where your information comes from Jumping or if it is just opinion, but I'm trying to tell you the reality of the situation and what we are fighting to overcome..The letters side of the company lost in the region of 120 million last year thats not only down to the shrinking mail market but the competition laws, before it was brought in even though we make a loss on domestic mail we had the other lucrative side (call it junk mail
) now we have lost that to other companys not held back by the laws that force us to let them in.
The reason we cannot compete is simple say for each letter TNT give to us we get 13p per item a first class stamp is 46p you can see quite easily how the competition laws are against us. We post it for them they offer a cheaper price to the customer and pass it to us to deliver
Government support? Not really any and a bill is going through to privatize us so even less. Possibly helping with the pension deficit
The regulator sets the stamp price not us, and I'll give one example of a stamp price to compare standard 20g or less letter stamp in france 0.58 euros so if you think it's overpriced here
TNT went on strike last year and threatened in oz this year, not sure about others its not like i research it but it proves my point
And Internet parcels are one area we need to improve but our massive infrastructure as you say isn't set up like a couriers to me there is no reason why we cannot offer the same kind of service as a DHL, ParcelForce are at least a few more pound in price and im sure that can be improved they also seem to have removed all link to the fact they are part of the Royal Mail group on their logo! i wonder why that is...
BTW I wish u wouldn't fixate on strikes it's not done lightly and people don't just do it at the drop of a hat..RM are also not the only people to do it, I do think are union is still a bit stuck in the 70s but yeah...
I don't know where your information comes from Jumping or if it is just opinion, but I'm trying to tell you the reality of the situation and what we are fighting to overcome..The letters side of the company lost in the region of 120 million last year thats not only down to the shrinking mail market but the competition laws, before it was brought in even though we make a loss on domestic mail we had the other lucrative side (call it junk mail
) now we have lost that to other companys not held back by the laws that force us to let them in.
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