I respect the freedom of people to sell how they want ... within the rules of the place they want to sell it. Don't forget this is a privately (and generously) run forum and there are no rights that come with the login. Honestly I hope we are different from eBay here and I have never encountered any sleazy sellers who "can't test, no power cord". While that kind of lie can be amusing, even expected, in other places it is nice not to constantly be on guard for it.
selling items with "NO GUARANTEE" arriving working
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I think the new prefix (spares repairs) does not appear in 'Latest Sales Threads' so the search string will probably need updating.
Does it really make sense for that to be in the prefix? I mean it's still 'for sale' just should be described as 'spares/repairs.'
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or better can we add a subtitle for 'condition' ?
Does it really make sense for that to be in the prefix? I mean it's still 'for sale' just should be described as 'spares/repairs.'
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or better can we add a subtitle for 'condition' ?
I've asked for this to be fixed - It also stopped the Declare interest button showing which I've fixed just now.
Adding it as a prefix makes it absolutely clear that the item is NOT working as it should.
I still think it would make more sense as a subtitle and what happens when it's changed to sold, Admin I guess will have a history of the change but 'spares/repairs' is now gone.
The only reason it and Untested was added (going back to the start of this thread) was to make it clear that the item is faulty.
Rather than it being hidden within the depths of the original post.
It doesn't mean it'll be used.
I guess it's a suck it and see job.
Rather than it being hidden within the depths of the original post.
It doesn't mean it'll be used.
I guess it's a suck it and see job.
Cool cool. I do think, if it can be added a condition drop down would be useful, and more likely to be used correctly as a lot of sellers are familiar with this from other marketplaces.
New, Used, Refurbished, Spares & Repairs
Food for thought if the site is getting updates at some point.
New, Used, Refurbished, Spares & Repairs
Food for thought if the site is getting updates at some point.
You also have to take it into account, that we are private individuals that wish to sell their own equipment. Therefore if a business, you would be held accountable. So basically everything on here should be classed as a private sale. Although this should be a trusted platform, with trusted members. 
Allow me to chime in as I've been selling here for years now.
My logic tells me to sell anything that is untested at a lower price. If something is obviously damaged or in bad shape, the price will reflect it. If an item arrives damaged or DOA or it turns out that not everything works as it's supposed to, I'm always ready to discuss things and make a partial or full refund.
My logic tells me to sell anything that is untested at a lower price. If something is obviously damaged or in bad shape, the price will reflect it. If an item arrives damaged or DOA or it turns out that not everything works as it's supposed to, I'm always ready to discuss things and make a partial or full refund.
I would say that's pretty demonstrably stretched rather far in some cases, same as on ebay.
This is where the prefix should help
There are a few recent threads where the sellers are offering an item at roughly market price.
In the thread the seller has imbedded in the paragraphs of description “don’t guarantee arrives working, no returns ” but the thread starts out positive with the spec, when it was last used. What it can do with lots of nice photos.
To me that's unfair especially to someone who struggles with English when the prefix says for sale. If it starts out spares/repair or untested in the prefix there’s no question.
When is the 30 day return policy coming into effect?
It is 180 days if you decide (both) to have itWhen is the 30 day return policy coming into effect?
I can understand though the guys who are not able to test stuff easily.
When i receive new stuff, it can take me months if not years (record is a spare A4000 keyboard which took me from 2014 to 2023), because of lack of time or no working test system at the time (for instance, right now, until i have time to finish building my A4000TX and my undead A2000, if i want to test any zorro card my only choice is to use my main A4000 rig, which is stuffed at the end of my desk where i can barely access cables, and it weights a ton, and everything inside is constantly at risk of being handled the wrong way or being short-circuited - i need a full afternoon alone with no wife or kids around and it rarely happens).
However if one is going to sell something and ask for 4 digits price, extensive testing would of course be required.
When i receive new stuff, it can take me months if not years (record is a spare A4000 keyboard which took me from 2014 to 2023), because of lack of time or no working test system at the time (for instance, right now, until i have time to finish building my A4000TX and my undead A2000, if i want to test any zorro card my only choice is to use my main A4000 rig, which is stuffed at the end of my desk where i can barely access cables, and it weights a ton, and everything inside is constantly at risk of being handled the wrong way or being short-circuited - i need a full afternoon alone with no wife or kids around and it rarely happens).
However if one is going to sell something and ask for 4 digits price, extensive testing would of course be required.
@Xanxi - man - did you ever nail it! And what's testing really? It works and gets recognized? What if there is some noise or static in the audio or video that only reveals itself after a few weeks? What if it only glitches with a particular combination of hardware? Following a few of these new accelerators that are being made right now, I'm learning all the crazy issues these guys have even today...after all these years . I thought we had all this stuff sorted out? I thought it was easy. But what are we learning? Even today they make an accelerator that has issues with SCSI?
It is hard and unreasonable in my view to treat these used items and sellers like a best buy. These are not currently manufactured goods, they don't have the resources. Some want to be treated this way, until a buyer screws them over, which let us not forget happens too. Buy an item, switch out some chips, claim what you got is not working? There are issues in both directions.
We should stop pretending everyone is perfect here - buyers or sellers. No such thing as perfection. Hence, approach transactions with caution.
Anyhow, you guys know I can get ranty. And I think the whole vintage thing is coming to a crashing end. First, how may more do you need? Second there isn't much to be nostalgic about past 20 years+...what, you're gonna want that Core Duo Lenovo PC you had? Second, the kids don't care about vintage compute we like here, so that's going to crash hard. Will the next gen be buying up these Amigas? Or cassettes? Or radios/stereos/turntables? No they won't. Additionally, let's not kid ourselves, the shipping costs are killing it. Plus all the shipping companies charge us brokerage/duties/taxes - all kinds of other crap. How many times have you said to yourself..."no, because shipping costs are too much." Even guys in Europe are starting to say that to themselves for shipping within Europe! Stack easy and cheap emulation options on top of this and what have you got?
So...just enjoy the final stages of the whole thing, including all the fun and games in buying and selling. These bad transactions are stories, battle scars...cost of dealing with vintage hardware. We'll look back on them fondly.
It is hard and unreasonable in my view to treat these used items and sellers like a best buy. These are not currently manufactured goods, they don't have the resources. Some want to be treated this way, until a buyer screws them over, which let us not forget happens too. Buy an item, switch out some chips, claim what you got is not working? There are issues in both directions.
We should stop pretending everyone is perfect here - buyers or sellers. No such thing as perfection. Hence, approach transactions with caution.
Anyhow, you guys know I can get ranty. And I think the whole vintage thing is coming to a crashing end. First, how may more do you need? Second there isn't much to be nostalgic about past 20 years+...what, you're gonna want that Core Duo Lenovo PC you had? Second, the kids don't care about vintage compute we like here, so that's going to crash hard. Will the next gen be buying up these Amigas? Or cassettes? Or radios/stereos/turntables? No they won't. Additionally, let's not kid ourselves, the shipping costs are killing it. Plus all the shipping companies charge us brokerage/duties/taxes - all kinds of other crap. How many times have you said to yourself..."no, because shipping costs are too much." Even guys in Europe are starting to say that to themselves for shipping within Europe! Stack easy and cheap emulation options on top of this and what have you got?
So...just enjoy the final stages of the whole thing, including all the fun and games in buying and selling. These bad transactions are stories, battle scars...cost of dealing with vintage hardware. We'll look back on them fondly.
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Here you describe eBay's behaviors and this wouldn't be even mentioned here
I have never noticed anything like this on Amibay and this is maybe the main reason that I buy/sell here.
Look that other place has absolutely deteriorated. eBay is a criminal now, officially convicted criminal I remind you for absolutely despicable behaviour from the top down. I admit, it's been a pleasure to be here on Amibay. But you have to forgive me, when it comes to trust, I never fully give it, and anyone is capable of braking it at any time, anywhere. That's what this all comes down to in this thread...trust.Here you describe eBay's behaviors and this wouldn't be even mentioned here
I have never noticed anything like this on Amibay and this is maybe the main reason that I buy/sell here.
Ideally, you'd like to trust. But realistically, we live in a world where everyone is trying to screw everyone. And the tech industry is front and centre in that approach and they model it for us. How do they do it? They try to earn your trust, as if they ever deserve it and then they give you ads and try to sell you stuff and refuse to support your software or make new applications available for it, and capture your data, and sell your data to brokers, and on and on and on it goes. You think China is bad, have you actually read what Snowden showed the world a decade ago?
This is terrible to say...but stop being so trusting. We don't live in the days of Amiga being a current product.
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It’s understandable to be cautious, acknowledging the potential risks but also allowing room for positive interactions and relationships. In a world where distrust is prevalent, maintaining a sense of discernment without complete cynicism can be a more balanced stance. At least in this bay..
@darefail, I have to tell you - this place is very nice. It reminds me of the BBS days almost. Plus, we have that common thread of Amiga here, and that was a GOOD computer, not doing any of the things computers do to us today as deployed by big tech. Hence I'll share something with you about cynicism, because I didn't know it myself until recently.
If you look at what cynicism means today you'll get: an inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest; skepticism.
But...
Cynicism (philosophy)
According to Cynicism, people are reasoning animals, and the purpose of life and the way to gain happiness is to achieve virtue, in agreement with nature, following one's natural sense of reason by living simply and shamelessly free from social constraints.
Cynicism (philosophy) - Wikipedia
Who twisted cynicism up from the good positive origins to mean the negative thing it means today?
Finally, a little idea for an exercise. Trust scale - 0 to 10. How trustworthy is AmiBay? How trustworthy is that other convicted criminal eBay? (FYI: criminal conviction details: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...m-fine-admits-to-terrorizing-innocent-people/). How trustworthy is social media?
@YouKnowWho
Everyone, everything and everywhere is trustworthy - unless things go wrong in some way, shape or form.
Everyone, everything and everywhere is trustworthy - unless things go wrong in some way, shape or form.
