I hope you didn't type that on your Amiga (poor thing might just Guru on you out of spite)
Like I have any working Amigas!
Thinking about ditching my PC for a Mac
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Like I have any working Amigas!
Lol, looked through all the comments of how bad Windows 7 Update is: Not as bad as this one for the mac:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/apple-thunderbolt-software-update-causing-sporadic-errors-froze/
Only "Fix" is to reinstall the OS currently
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Much as I love my mac, I do find that there are more showstopper updates released for it than my Gaming Rig which is still on it's original Windows 7 launch day install.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/apple-thunderbolt-software-update-causing-sporadic-errors-froze/
Only "Fix" is to reinstall the OS currently
icardMuch as I love my mac, I do find that there are more showstopper updates released for it than my Gaming Rig which is still on it's original Windows 7 launch day install.
Lol, looked through all the comments of how bad Windows 7 Update is: Not as bad as this one for the mac:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/apple-thunderbolt-software-update-causing-sporadic-errors-froze/
Only "Fix" is to reinstall the OS currently
Much as I love my mac, I do find that there are more showstopper updates released for it than my Gaming Rig which is still on it's original Windows 7 launch day install.
Never had a bad update for any of my macs. Never reinstalled beside when changed from hdd to ssd. I have both a mac pro and a macbook pro. however, no thunderbolt.
Reinstall to fix a problem is what windows users have had to face since windows 95. Probably could, like this, be fixed manually but the time doing it would probably be way more than a reinstall.
beside, with a recent timemachine backup, which os x promotes, you'll back to previous configuration in no time. at least i was when i reinstalled after replacing my hdd with a ssd.
Having done lots of support for customers using macs. None of them use TimeMachine, much the same as no one uses Windows Backup which is just as easy to setup
(Obviously, I do, much like I'd expect most people on a tech site to do too. But the average computer user, regardless of format has more in common with a cabbage than a reasonably intelligent person and won't ever bother
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(Obviously, I do, much like I'd expect most people on a tech site to do too. But the average computer user, regardless of format has more in common with a cabbage than a reasonably intelligent person and won't ever bother
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Ever since selling my old Amiga (back in 1994... sniff!) I've had nothing but Macs, apart from the computer I'm currently typing on. Which is still a Mac, technically - a hackintosh. Saw the posts earlier about them being temperamental and they are. It's like owning a classic car compared to just buying a new one, they need a little bit of tinkering here and there. But in the end, if have the equivalent of a $5,000 Mac Pro and it set me back under a grand. And, of course, it's got Windows 7 running on it without a single problem. (Not that I ever use it)
Dunno if it's allowed (mods, feel free to give me a kick up the backside if so) but here's a complete how to I wrote while putting mine together:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/viewtopic.php?f=264&t=49556
Dunno if it's allowed (mods, feel free to give me a kick up the backside if so) but here's a complete how to I wrote while putting mine together:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/viewtopic.php?f=264&t=49556
I've had a mac for 3 years, and am moving back to pure win7. My media centre is a Mac Mini running Win7, which causes most mac zealots no small amount of pain. My Macbook pro is dying, despite having a new logic board last year. A second hand, much cheaper, Dell latitude is replacing it and has significantly more power.
I do like MacOS, but Win7 is arguably just as good. I do like the BSD underpinnings of OSX, but day to day I find Win7 great.
I do like MacOS, but Win7 is arguably just as good. I do like the BSD underpinnings of OSX, but day to day I find Win7 great.
Looks like my 2010 Macbook pro will be the last Apple laptop I buy 
Anyone else seen the new MBP's? Soldered RAM to the Mobo...wtf
So basically if I buy the stock MBP, I'll be screwed with 4gb ram forever? wow, no thanks.
Also, these propierety SSD's that they have started using. again wtf. my 2010 MBP was fine, I slapped in more ram, popped in an ssd of my choice. I thought that was why they were called pro. ie users could do this shizzle themselves.
As it is, it would appear that apple are trying to get computers back to 3 year upgrade cycles.
Gauruntee in 3 yrs time the base model MBP won't be upgradable to the latest OS X due to lack of RAM.
I've loved Apple kit since the G4 Cube came out, but this just a joke of a direction they're heading inicard
Anyone else seen the new MBP's? Soldered RAM to the Mobo...wtf
So basically if I buy the stock MBP, I'll be screwed with 4gb ram forever? wow, no thanks.Also, these propierety SSD's that they have started using. again wtf. my 2010 MBP was fine, I slapped in more ram, popped in an ssd of my choice. I thought that was why they were called pro. ie users could do this shizzle themselves.
As it is, it would appear that apple are trying to get computers back to 3 year upgrade cycles.
Gauruntee in 3 yrs time the base model MBP won't be upgradable to the latest OS X due to lack of RAM.
I've loved Apple kit since the G4 Cube came out, but this just a joke of a direction they're heading in
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wangerman69
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Build yourself a Hackintosh get a mac for a quarter of the price 
Follow this site and parts list and you won't go wrong
http://www.kakewalk.se/
Follow this site and parts list and you won't go wrong
http://www.kakewalk.se/
Can only offer my experience, and that is the extra cost of the Imac has been more than worth it to us.
We have two, plus a Laptop, and would not do without them.
All machines and systems have their own idiosyncrasies, but I suppose a lot depends on what you want to do with a given tool.
Using a pretty basic Imac, and the appropriate software, we designed and created a 700 page hard cover book, and delivered the files to the printer to print. The system performed flawlessly.
(Will not give up on our Amigas, though, who are still chugging along and providing a valuable service by outputting my jewelry designs, even after all these years).:arms
Had to say that.
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Think my last reply went in the wrong thread. Was trying to respond to the fellow who was asking for input on buying a Mac.
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Can only offer my experience, and that is the extra cost of the Imac has been more than worth it to us.
We have two, plus a Laptop, and would not do without them.
All machines and systems have their own idiosyncrasies, but I suppose a lot depends on what you want to do with a given tool.
Using a pretty basic Imac, and the appropriate software, we designed and created a 700 page hard cover book, and delivered the files to the printer to print. The system performed flawlessly.
(Will not give up on our Amigas, though, who are still chugging along and providing a valuable service by outputting my jewelry designs, even after all these years).:arms
Had to say that. :-D
We have two, plus a Laptop, and would not do without them.
All machines and systems have their own idiosyncrasies, but I suppose a lot depends on what you want to do with a given tool.
Using a pretty basic Imac, and the appropriate software, we designed and created a 700 page hard cover book, and delivered the files to the printer to print. The system performed flawlessly.
(Will not give up on our Amigas, though, who are still chugging along and providing a valuable service by outputting my jewelry designs, even after all these years).:arms
Had to say that.
---------- Post added at 13:07 ---------- Previous post was at 13:04 ----------
Think my last reply went in the wrong thread. Was trying to respond to the fellow who was asking for input on buying a Mac.
---------- Post added at 13:09 ---------- Previous post was at 13:07 ----------
Can only offer my experience, and that is the extra cost of the Imac has been more than worth it to us.
We have two, plus a Laptop, and would not do without them.
All machines and systems have their own idiosyncrasies, but I suppose a lot depends on what you want to do with a given tool.
Using a pretty basic Imac, and the appropriate software, we designed and created a 700 page hard cover book, and delivered the files to the printer to print. The system performed flawlessly.
(Will not give up on our Amigas, though, who are still chugging along and providing a valuable service by outputting my jewelry designs, even after all these years).:arms
Had to say that. :-D
wangerman69
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They are so good its worth saying twice
I don't see why anyone would pay big buck for little bang, but at least they run starcraft and diablo. That being said, MY company have 1300 PC users and 200 Mac users. We have had 14 dead macbooks done in by a glass or bottle of water falling over near the machine....0 PC's by the same. We have also had 129 macbooks with defective hinges and/or cracks in chassis around the hinges..and this is NOT wear an tear..we got them all fixed at no cost...a poor soul from apple came a few weeks ago and picked up all the rotten fruits for repair...0 PC' with the same warranty symptoms.
I can conclude, that if you ever want to move a macbook around...forget it. I can not see that they even know how to make one.
The imac seems like a quality product...but do you need the design? do you need freaking thunderbolt? do you need to spend 400-800 euro's more than the same spec in an ordinary self-built PC?..if you want that "boohoo OSX is so stable boohoo"...then run proper linux ! There are all-in-one-screen units out there now from both Dell and HP ?....give them a look
Little problems with the imacs around here, but now they fudged us royal and cut support not only once, with cutting support for PPC, but twice with cutting support for core duo.....and thrice for making allmost all our macbooks and imacs incompatible with rockyridge cat or whats it's face, coming out this summer.
I am surprised they even have customers at all in my town, with the lousy agreements we have gotten, and the fact that they totally neglect to recognize a business customers needs.
well....just my opinion on the matter I for sure, will never, and will not let family or friends spend their hard earned money on rotten apples, now or ever.
I can conclude, that if you ever want to move a macbook around...forget it. I can not see that they even know how to make one.
The imac seems like a quality product...but do you need the design? do you need freaking thunderbolt? do you need to spend 400-800 euro's more than the same spec in an ordinary self-built PC?..if you want that "boohoo OSX is so stable boohoo"...then run proper linux ! There are all-in-one-screen units out there now from both Dell and HP ?....give them a look
Little problems with the imacs around here, but now they fudged us royal and cut support not only once, with cutting support for PPC, but twice with cutting support for core duo.....and thrice for making allmost all our macbooks and imacs incompatible with rockyridge cat or whats it's face, coming out this summer.
I am surprised they even have customers at all in my town, with the lousy agreements we have gotten, and the fact that they totally neglect to recognize a business customers needs.
well....just my opinion on the matter
I for sure, will never, and will not let family or friends spend their hard earned money on rotten apples, now or ever.As in every discussion about pc vs mac, this is the main thing people whine about. And and every discussion. If you want some plastic fantastic with 1-2-3 generation old chipset, yes you can get two-three for the price of a new mac. if you want something with the same build quality and the same features your paying in the same neighborhood.
And why do people care. I can understand people commenting that it isn't their cup of tea, but to undermine other peoples choices is pretty silly. It'll be like someone talk bad about the neighbor who have bought a BMW when he could get a two-three KIAs for the same price. If you just need a computer and only care about price vs performance, you'll be better off with a kia and a typical acer.
In my company we have never had any problems with macs. we are an advertising company so we've been using macs for the entire lifespan of the company. half the company uses macs and other half windows.
My last computer at work costed twice as much as my current macbook pro laptop. that laptop had overheating issues (could never run anything cpu intensive on it for a longer period of time), keyboard died when spilling just the last drop of coffee in the cup on it etc.
I have no problems suggesting macs, and i have no problems suggesting buying something else. I however have a problem with people who badmouth the brand (or any brand for that matter) for whatever reason that haven't even owned one. Like the anti-sony people who seem to want Sony off the planet for a couple of fiascos in sonys past that they never was touched by.
thought mac was a PC in a pretty thin chassis, intel, segate, radeon?
with windows, this is a pc is not it?
so a mac is the OS?
so an alienware laptop with mac os, you could get a powerful, usable, machine at the right price for the power
hm, nice
with windows, this is a pc is not it?
so a mac is the OS?
so an alienware laptop with mac os, you could get a powerful, usable, machine at the right price for the power
hm, nice
SpiritDave
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I used PC's since I was a child up til 2010. I'm 34 btw. I will never go back Love my Mac. Have owned an iMac, MacBook Pro and now I have a Retina MacBook Pro. 2.6ghz Quad Core, 512gb SSD and 16gb RAM ... The retina display is amazing and the machine, being totally in sync with OSX, is absolutely incredible performance wise.
I don't understand when people attack Apple machines. They're beautiful, solid as a rock, built out of the highest grade materials, and super quick. No PC is as completely streamlined as the business model behind windows simply doesn't allow for it. Not saying PC's are bad or Windows is bad. To the contrary, they're great. Just not for me anymore. The Mac does everything I want absolutely perfectly. The App Store system is so extremely clean and very well put together. Makes life very easy
I'm not an Apple whore, I'm a "high quality" whore. I own the best computer gear, have the best guitar gear, sleep with the hottest women etc. lol.
Seriously though, my love of my Mac is down to the enjoyment and productivity it allows me. I work on it, make music with it and Facebook like a pro! Lol.
Love my Mac. Have owned an iMac, MacBook Pro and now I have a Retina MacBook Pro. 2.6ghz Quad Core, 512gb SSD and 16gb RAM ... The retina display is amazing and the machine, being totally in sync with OSX, is absolutely incredible performance wise.I don't understand when people attack Apple machines. They're beautiful, solid as a rock, built out of the highest grade materials, and super quick. No PC is as completely streamlined as the business model behind windows simply doesn't allow for it. Not saying PC's are bad or Windows is bad. To the contrary, they're great. Just not for me anymore. The Mac does everything I want absolutely perfectly. The App Store system is so extremely clean and very well put together. Makes life very easy
I'm not an Apple whore, I'm a "high quality" whore. I own the best computer gear, have the best guitar gear, sleep with the hottest women etc. lol.
Seriously though, my love of my Mac is down to the enjoyment and productivity it allows me. I work on it, make music with it and Facebook like a pro! Lol.
Having recently bought a mac for the first time I can say the build quality is great and it's nice not to suffer the bloat windows comes with. I haven't turned away from Windows and I was very skeptical but they really don't deserve the bashing they get. They're just another computer at the end of the day.
Apple are also the only company still going from the 8 bit days out of Sinclair, Amstrad, Commodore etc, so they must be doing something right. They have more ties to retro computing than any company making full systems today.
If you're tired of Windows with all its updates and quirks and want something that just works for you, provided you have the cash to drop they're worth having. I'm feeling a little bruised at the amount of cash I had to lose to get one, but curiosity got the better of me once I was told I was going to need to learn to use one. Now that I do actually have one and have given them a chance they're quite refreshing. It's like using a more polished version of Ubuntu installed on a laptop that feels solid. And the 13' model really isn't any more expensive than say a Samsung Series 9 Ultrabook, and is around the same spec for the cash given a minor self service SSD upgrade.
In fact if you go to Alienware's website and max out a 17" system, you will pay around £1,750 which is about the same as a retina 15" macbook pro with the same nVidia GT650m, 16GB RAM and Quad Core i7. You do also get an extra 512GB of SSD so the difference is probably around £150 - 200, but with the Mac you get the retina display for the difference. HP also have laptops around the same spec and price as do other companies.
So depending on what you go for you can easily shell out for a laptop the same price as all but the very top spec macbook pro with the insane apple priced upgrades added on and still come out with a similar spec machine for your money. The laptops that cost significantly less may be able to keep up okay for most tasks users will be needing to do but usually at the cost of overall build quality and the display, which admittedly again is usually fine as is for most people.
Apple are just a pricey brand of laptop that provides a proprietary OS. Buying one is a kin to choosing a Cisco router for the office instead of a BT Business hub, or a dedicated server over a VDS or free hosting for your website. They all do the job, but you're paying for the features, build quality and to have access to software you wouldn't otherwise be able to use legally.
Heck, you can even install Windows on a Mac and they give you the tools to dual boot it easily.
The only thing I don't like these days is how they have decided to use all soldered components in the latest models meaning you have to buy all your upgrades from them on purchase or upgrade the whole system, but thats just a business decision.
Apple are also the only company still going from the 8 bit days out of Sinclair, Amstrad, Commodore etc, so they must be doing something right. They have more ties to retro computing than any company making full systems today.
If you're tired of Windows with all its updates and quirks and want something that just works for you, provided you have the cash to drop they're worth having. I'm feeling a little bruised at the amount of cash I had to lose to get one, but curiosity got the better of me once I was told I was going to need to learn to use one. Now that I do actually have one and have given them a chance they're quite refreshing. It's like using a more polished version of Ubuntu installed on a laptop that feels solid. And the 13' model really isn't any more expensive than say a Samsung Series 9 Ultrabook, and is around the same spec for the cash given a minor self service SSD upgrade.
In fact if you go to Alienware's website and max out a 17" system, you will pay around £1,750 which is about the same as a retina 15" macbook pro with the same nVidia GT650m, 16GB RAM and Quad Core i7. You do also get an extra 512GB of SSD so the difference is probably around £150 - 200, but with the Mac you get the retina display for the difference. HP also have laptops around the same spec and price as do other companies.
So depending on what you go for you can easily shell out for a laptop the same price as all but the very top spec macbook pro with the insane apple priced upgrades added on and still come out with a similar spec machine for your money. The laptops that cost significantly less may be able to keep up okay for most tasks users will be needing to do but usually at the cost of overall build quality and the display, which admittedly again is usually fine as is for most people.
Apple are just a pricey brand of laptop that provides a proprietary OS. Buying one is a kin to choosing a Cisco router for the office instead of a BT Business hub, or a dedicated server over a VDS or free hosting for your website. They all do the job, but you're paying for the features, build quality and to have access to software you wouldn't otherwise be able to use legally.
Heck, you can even install Windows on a Mac and they give you the tools to dual boot it easily.
The only thing I don't like these days is how they have decided to use all soldered components in the latest models meaning you have to buy all your upgrades from them on purchase or upgrade the whole system, but thats just a business decision.
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sian
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yes ditch pc for mac i never regretted it
most software is now for mac
takes a few weeks get use too i have a mac mini intel as need to up graded from mac mini power pc
you can emulate windows if ness but i dont now
pm me if u need more info
most software is now for mac
takes a few weeks get use too i have a mac mini intel as need to up graded from mac mini power pc
you can emulate windows if ness but i dont now
pm me if u need more info
Most software is now for Mac? Most Apple software maybe. Not much else. Even Adobe are reducing/stopping support.
Every designer I know using a Mac are seriously considering switching to Windows PCs. The reason is the latest versions of OSX. It's completely consumer orientated and catering less for the more serious user. Same however can be said of Windows 8. However, it also applies to Final Cut pro, which is becoming a home user focused product. For video editor's Windows software has a huge variety of software.
For the home user however, whom doesn't want a gaming PC, buying a Mac or PC does come down to your budget, and the OS you prefer.
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Every designer I know using a Mac are seriously considering switching to Windows PCs. The reason is the latest versions of OSX. It's completely consumer orientated and catering less for the more serious user. Same however can be said of Windows 8. However, it also applies to Final Cut pro, which is becoming a home user focused product. For video editor's Windows software has a huge variety of software.
For the home user however, whom doesn't want a gaming PC, buying a Mac or PC does come down to your budget, and the OS you prefer.
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I own a G5 eMac that I purchased from Leicester college for a penny when it was updating the machines. The penny was just for contract's sake.
It is a wonderful machine (once I had installed OSX Tiger) and is very good for art in general.
I find OSX is good for Adobe software, web browsers and images. Flicking between the windows is very competantly acheived by a squeeze of the mouse that temporarilly arranges your windows in a grid. You then select a window and go into it.
Some of the software is patchy and to make a # character you have to use the combination alt + 3 as it is a character that the keyboard lacks, which doesn't always work. Most notably in RDP
The dash board is good, which is when you press the scroll ball on top of the mouse, the screen darkens and little apps called widgets appear. You can get calendars, calculators, dictionaries, RSS news tickers etc.. that arrange neatly into blocks.
The biggest shame for me is that Apple no longer support Motorola chips. The shift to Intel was a missed opportunity in my opinion, and more focus on multi-processor support could have opened the doors to smaller companies developing new and improved processors eg. I think an ARM based Mac would be a welcome option.
If I were you though, I would consider the Google laptops or a tablet with detachable keyboard eg. the Nexus 10.
They are what I develop for at work at the moment, and find myself using the tablet more and more, and my workplace's Windows 7 desktop less and less.
Kingsoft office is a competant replacement for Microsoft office. Adobe are gradually porting Photoshop over to Android, and I expect to see the rest of their software migrate over too.
Android is still teething as an operating system, and I am by no means a Google fanboy (nor any company for that matter), but they are at least worth trying if you get the chance.
It is a wonderful machine (once I had installed OSX Tiger) and is very good for art in general.
I find OSX is good for Adobe software, web browsers and images. Flicking between the windows is very competantly acheived by a squeeze of the mouse that temporarilly arranges your windows in a grid. You then select a window and go into it.
Some of the software is patchy and to make a # character you have to use the combination alt + 3 as it is a character that the keyboard lacks, which doesn't always work. Most notably in RDP
The dash board is good, which is when you press the scroll ball on top of the mouse, the screen darkens and little apps called widgets appear. You can get calendars, calculators, dictionaries, RSS news tickers etc.. that arrange neatly into blocks.
The biggest shame for me is that Apple no longer support Motorola chips. The shift to Intel was a missed opportunity in my opinion, and more focus on multi-processor support could have opened the doors to smaller companies developing new and improved processors eg. I think an ARM based Mac would be a welcome option.
If I were you though, I would consider the Google laptops or a tablet with detachable keyboard eg. the Nexus 10.
They are what I develop for at work at the moment, and find myself using the tablet more and more, and my workplace's Windows 7 desktop less and less.
Kingsoft office is a competant replacement for Microsoft office. Adobe are gradually porting Photoshop over to Android, and I expect to see the rest of their software migrate over too.
Android is still teething as an operating system, and I am by no means a Google fanboy (nor any company for that matter), but they are at least worth trying if you get the chance.
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