That can be a bit of a hassel from what I've read depending on what hardware you have, but I'd second this if you're the tinkering kind.
Thinking about ditching my PC for a Mac
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That can be a bit of a hassel from what I've read depending on what hardware you have, but I'd second this if you're the tinkering kind.
ive done a few hackintosh machines in the past and once bought recommended hardware for a hackintosh but it was not as stable as then genuine thing and the OS upgrade killed the hackintosh so i sold it on and bought an imac.
having said that perhaps the newer hacintosh builds are better ? this was 4 years ago..
research is the key here.
having said that perhaps the newer hacintosh builds are better ? this was 4 years ago..
research is the key here.
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But Hackintosh systems defeat the point of having a Mac - you are buying hardware that is TESTED and KNOWN to work rock solidly together when you buy a Mac. A PC made of different branded, poorly paired parts running OS X is NOT a Mac. And that's why Windows systems can be so unstable - you're relying entirely on the drivers working well together.
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New Mac Pro:
Certainly looks interesting! Due later this year.
Lmfao. Macs just use a bog standard Intel mobo and cpu. Cripple the connectivity, add an atheros WiFi card, rebrand it airport. Put in the cheapest realtek audio decoder. Crap psu.
It's the same as Dell and hp. Don't believe the hype
I like Apple computers, but be realistic, the mobo comes from the same factory as Dell etc. Cheap caps etc.
They are what they are, a nice x86 Unix distro in a pretty box. That's no bad thing, but the components are in no way superior. Even in osx.
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It's the same as Dell and hp. Don't believe the hype
I like Apple computers, but be realistic, the mobo comes from the same factory as Dell etc. Cheap caps etc.
They are what they are, a nice x86 Unix distro in a pretty box. That's no bad thing, but the components are in no way superior. Even in osx.
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You missed the point. I'm well aware that they use Intel CPUs, and off the shelf graphics cards etc. The difference is that Apple TEST that all this stuff works together properly. Your average Joe in a PC shop doesn't spend the kind of money Apple do on research to make sure that all the different bits you're buying actually work together properly. It's not good luck that Macs crash 90% less often than PCs do.
You miss my point too.
My Asus P8Z77i-Deluxe fully supports Mac os x, no driver issues, but the board is of a far superior build quality. The corsair psu is superior in just about everyway.
As I say I like Apple pc's for what they are, but most Dell pc's use the exact same components and chipset as Apple.
If Apple weren't so stingy by locking out the uefi to Macs only, more ppl would osx.
Os x is more stable than Windows, sure. The hardware doesn't really matter anymore.
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My Asus P8Z77i-Deluxe fully supports Mac os x, no driver issues, but the board is of a far superior build quality. The corsair psu is superior in just about everyway.
As I say I like Apple pc's for what they are, but most Dell pc's use the exact same components and chipset as Apple.
If Apple weren't so stingy by locking out the uefi to Macs only, more ppl would osx.
Os x is more stable than Windows, sure. The hardware doesn't really matter anymore.
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The trick to doing a Hackintosh is exactly the same thing we did 10 years ago if you wanted a Linux PC. You went out and you bought the exact, specific hardware that you knew would work. You got an i440BX chipset motherboard, with a Pentium III CPU and some decent, branded PC100. You got a Soundblaster sound card, a Realtek or 3Com network card and a nVidia or Matrox graphics card. If you wanted WiFi, you used something with a Prism II chipset. Hackintosh will be the same, you seek out the right hardware that you know will work together.
New Mac Pro:
Found an issue with this design (Which admittedly does look very cool)
How am I meant to upgrade this thing with a raid card and the fibre cards that I rely on for work?
1st killed off the Xserve, which I loved. Now the mac pro which was the last useful mac for me
There's no way I'm going to be able to put this into a rack. The current mac pro was enough of a ball ache, but at least I was able to fit 3 side by side on a rack shelf.
Thunderbolt PCIe backplane expansion. Apparently they (are going to) exist for this very purpose.
This narks me, too. None of Apple's current product line is suitable for use in a data centre. I just don't think it's an area that Apple care about. Irritating, but not much you can do about it.
A Thunderbolt backplane expansion... just sounds like of hassle for stuff I should be able to dump in the box and lock the chassis up.
Looks like I'll be virtualizing my os x server in Hyper-V in the future, not buying this for the company only to say, whoops, we need expansion cards and lots more external goodies.
Looks like I'll be virtualizing my os x server in Hyper-V in the future, not buying this for the company only to say, whoops, we need expansion cards and lots more external goodies.
Apple don't make their servers designed for rack mounting any more?
Although I'm not an Apple fan, at least a few years ago if you wanted to build a Mac only business it was possible. Some of the edit suits I used to visit did have some amazing looking Mac based setups using rack mounted Macs for render processing.
More and more I hear people I've known as dedicated Mac users becoming disillusioned with Apple. They are completely focused on home consumer content driven products now, as it makes them the largest profit, but they are forgetting the professional users that kept Apple going in their darkest hour.
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Well said, this has been my issue for a few years now. I still like the apple products, and my company will have to pry my 27" i7 imac from my cold dead hands before I give it up.
But, yep, for the workplace, mac sucks now.
I see why they discontinued the Xserve, not much margin for profits due to low sales and them allowing os x server to be virtualized. But the Pro line up just isn't pro anymore, nor has been for a few years now.
Was always meant to be:
The iBook/iMac for general consumers - not very user sercivable. that's fine, most consumers are idiots and don't know what a stick of ram is or a HDD.
The Pro lineup was for that. Pro users/business: components easily accessible and upgradable. Repairs were easier due to the design of the product being easy to disassemble.
There's no middle ground with the products anymore. The current MacBook Pro's should be called iBook.
But, yep, for the workplace, mac sucks now.
I see why they discontinued the Xserve, not much margin for profits due to low sales and them allowing os x server to be virtualized. But the Pro line up just isn't pro anymore, nor has been for a few years now.
Was always meant to be:
The iBook/iMac for general consumers - not very user sercivable. that's fine, most consumers are idiots and don't know what a stick of ram is or a HDD.
The Pro lineup was for that. Pro users/business: components easily accessible and upgradable. Repairs were easier due to the design of the product being easy to disassemble.
There's no middle ground with the products anymore. The current MacBook Pro's should be called iBook.
Anything to do with losing Jobs perhaps? (no pun intended)
Jobs killed the Xserv.
I work for a graphical design company. They have been using macs since they started the business 20 years ago and they will be using them as long as the people there prefers them. We don't have a set standard since we have licenses for both - but now it is one pc and rest is mac.
As a developer, a mac pro is great. I can connect several monitors and run whatever i need. the new mac pro is still perfect for my application despite i'll have to invest in a tb2 external storage unit for my disks instead of just using the built in 4 drive bays.
the designers however all use iMacs beside this one guy.
But Apple went from pushing thunderbolt as a new connector to pushing thunderbolt as the lifeline to anything you want to attach to it.
You should see all the grief and aggrivation that my team at work have been through, attempting to make Macs play nice in a networked environment. They are a menace to get working well. Talk to an AD server for auth and a UNIX fileserver for home directories? So much pain...
lol, I feel your pain. It's not so bad nowadays, but afew years ago, was truly a nightmare.
My setups work as follows now, works without any hassle
AD Server: connects to Sun SAN via iScsi: Map all network shares for the system onto the iscsi. Painless mac integration of the home drives, only requires a couple of tick boxes now.
Of course, connecting a mac directly to an iscsi connection, now that's painful
My setups work as follows now, works without any hassle
AD Server: connects to Sun SAN via iScsi: Map all network shares for the system onto the iscsi. Painless mac integration of the home drives, only requires a couple of tick boxes now.
Of course, connecting a mac directly to an iscsi connection, now that's painful
Mac + Windows dual boot = Winintosh
Sadly no experience of macs in the work place here. Most of the networks I've dealt with have been pure Windows based. A few isolated macs for design work that had no more network access than file shares.
Sadly no experience of macs in the work place here. Most of the networks I've dealt with have been pure Windows based. A few isolated macs for design work that had no more network access than file shares.
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I must admit that does look really impressive. I don't normally take much interest in Macs beyond their case design, but this really is something unique and revolutionary in terms of design. I really am interested in seeing this finished and up and running.
And how small? 9.9" by 6.6". That translates into 25cm by 16.7cm. That's really small! You could stick that on your desk and hardly notice. Now that is impressive!
That centralised cooling core is a really interesting idea. Probably got the idea from air conditioning design in buildings. Drawing all of the hot air inward away from every component, and venting it via a single huge fan at the top. Very interesting design. It will be interesting to see how good this solution is, and with such a large single fan how quiet it is.
The hardware is also impressive, although obviously fixed looking at the design and layout of the components, although the ram might be upgradable. Doesn't look like the SSD will be though, considering it looks buiried within the guts of the hardware, and not a standard off the shelf ssd. It looks like Apple are trying to separate the OS and its storage away from the user's files by making them use storage external to the main unit. It might make sense for certain work flows where you could have a separate HDD for each project, take your work with you, or access files in a NAS or similar rack. But for the single user I would want my storage contained in the same main computer case, not daisy chained by cables and sitting alongside the main unit.
Not so sure about the actual case design though. Looks like those ash trays you see in air ports and out side of offices. But it is so small you wouldn't be too worried. It could probably even sit behind your monitor.
And how small? 9.9" by 6.6". That translates into 25cm by 16.7cm. That's really small! You could stick that on your desk and hardly notice. Now that is impressive!
That centralised cooling core is a really interesting idea. Probably got the idea from air conditioning design in buildings. Drawing all of the hot air inward away from every component, and venting it via a single huge fan at the top. Very interesting design. It will be interesting to see how good this solution is, and with such a large single fan how quiet it is.
The hardware is also impressive, although obviously fixed looking at the design and layout of the components, although the ram might be upgradable. Doesn't look like the SSD will be though, considering it looks buiried within the guts of the hardware, and not a standard off the shelf ssd. It looks like Apple are trying to separate the OS and its storage away from the user's files by making them use storage external to the main unit. It might make sense for certain work flows where you could have a separate HDD for each project, take your work with you, or access files in a NAS or similar rack. But for the single user I would want my storage contained in the same main computer case, not daisy chained by cables and sitting alongside the main unit.
Not so sure about the actual case design though. Looks like those ash trays you see in air ports and out side of offices. But it is so small you wouldn't be too worried. It could probably even sit behind your monitor.
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