What for Amiga OS 4?
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that would help steve as know 030 will use both and fairly sure it will fit in the desktop as well
maybe
LOL, yeah.... I did, but its too much for the Apollo Cards - with or without RAM, I think the crux is the logic timings on the card that just cannot kep the 060 fed quick enough.
I know that there is a CT60 - an 060@100 Mhz for the Atari Falcon or was it the TT? - but the problem you have with that is ... well its an Atari... even a very fast Atari is still an Atari
lol
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I was able to get mine to boot at 100MHz (50MHz RAM, it normally runs at 80/40), but only with the RAM disabled. I suspect it would run with a better SIMM, as the card exhibits the same behavior when trying 1/1 CPU/RAM at 50MHz. I gave up trying to find a good 50ns SIMM, after reading they're a bit unstable at 100MHz anyway.
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@stachu and zetro
Don't mean to stray too far o/t here, but what do you guys think of this:
https://www.memoryten.com/pc/003079/EDO-72p-60nsP-16MB/
It's EDO and parity, like all the other 50ns 72-pin SIMMs I've seen. My assumption is the extra parity bits are ignored, and I've already tested EDO SIMMs in the Apollo which seems to work OK.
Worth a shot? I have a crappy old Apollo 1230 to test it in just to make certain it won't blow the 1260.
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@stachu and zetro
Don't mean to stray too far o/t here, but what do you guys think of this:
https://www.memoryten.com/pc/003079/EDO-72p-60nsP-16MB/
It's EDO and parity, like all the other 50ns 72-pin SIMMs I've seen. My assumption is the extra parity bits are ignored, and I've already tested EDO SIMMs in the Apollo which seems to work OK.
Worth a shot? I have a crappy old Apollo 1230 to test it in just to make certain it won't blow the 1260.
Sorry chaps considering Im a dab hand at building pc's all the comments after the offer of the simms has made my ears bleed LOL - totaly lost Doh (still laughing tho).
I understand about removing the roms and putting in the 3.1roms (but unsure what it will do to my amiga other than able to put on a better OS???
And if I buy this 1220 blizzard with FPU(whatever that is) I can play my WHD stuff (whatever that is).
SIMMS ?? lost, I remember using EDO SIMMS years ago in building early pc's but where do these go in my A1200 as I thought I could only up the memory by this blizzard carda nd it has 4mb on board.
Will all this allow me to put 3.9OS on my machine or what is best.
Im so sorry chaps as I must appear a total dork as in reality I am quite a bit geeky and my nickname is Garry gadget but got real lost on here
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I have this chance of buying the blizzard 1220 and it seems like a good price but this has 4mb on it, so how come some cards say 32mb or more and what is best?
The offer to lend a card is brilliant and Im sure I have some retro stuff I can donate to return the favour.
Im truly lost tho and dont know what to do now LOL. I love the idea of getting a better OS on my Amiga and playing all my old favourites but getting it more "modern" is very appealing:roll:
I understand about removing the roms and putting in the 3.1roms (but unsure what it will do to my amiga other than able to put on a better OS???
And if I buy this 1220 blizzard with FPU(whatever that is) I can play my WHD stuff (whatever that is).
SIMMS ?? lost, I remember using EDO SIMMS years ago in building early pc's but where do these go in my A1200 as I thought I could only up the memory by this blizzard carda nd it has 4mb on board.
Will all this allow me to put 3.9OS on my machine or what is best.
Im so sorry chaps as I must appear a total dork as in reality I am quite a bit geeky and my nickname is Garry gadget but got real lost on here
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hi despot
simple answer for os4 is lots of spare cash we talking almost 4 figures !!!
suggest u snap fitzsteve hand off and get those 3.1 roms as they will allow you to run all the classic workbenches upto 3.9
I might have an viper 030 card that you can borrow till you find a cheap accelerator might have some spare ram for it as well, know I got some 16Mb sims but 2 x 32mB or 64Mb would be better
also any help installing stuff just give us a shout or a ribbit or 2
I have this chance of buying the blizzard 1220 and it seems like a good price but this has 4mb on it, so how come some cards say 32mb or more and what is best?
The offer to lend a card is brilliant and Im sure I have some retro stuff I can donate to return the favour.
Im truly lost tho and dont know what to do now LOL. I love the idea of getting a better OS on my Amiga and playing all my old favourites but getting it more "modern" is very appealing:roll:
yep you can only up the memory by adding a card to the a1200, or pcmia card but thats not advisable, 16bit card where a1200 is 32bit
you don`t need an FPU, floating point unit unless you well in to maths
extra 4Mb would let you use whdload, whdload lets you put floppy based games on your HDD but realistacly you should be looking for a minimum of an extra 8MB
Most ram/accel cards take extra memory in the form of sims, yep the old ones you remember from the pc days
you don`t need an FPU, floating point unit unless you well in to maths
extra 4Mb would let you use whdload, whdload lets you put floppy based games on your HDD but realistacly you should be looking for a minimum of an extra 8MB
Most ram/accel cards take extra memory in the form of sims, yep the old ones you remember from the pc days
yep you can only up the memory by adding a card to the a1200, or pcmia card but thats not advisable, 16bit card where a1200 is 32bit
you don`t need an FPU, floating point unit unless you well in to maths
extra 4Mb would let you use whdload, whdload lets you put floppy based games on your HDD but realistacly you should be looking for a minimum of an extra 8MB
Most ram/accel cards take extra memory in the form of sims, yep the old ones you remember from the pc days
I have read that this 1220 had a optional 4mb add on card? but the stock 1220 does look like a good deal <snip>...<snip> as some cards run into big bucks from what I have seen?
Whats the minimum for getting OS 3.9 running then as Id enjoy a better GUI and wonder if I should wait and pay more for a better card. Oh decisions decisions!!!!!!!!
[Edit]
Sorry despot67, I had to edit your post - by stating a price this could been seen as price guiding, which is against the site rules and guidelines, I know you didn't mean it this way so please don't worry just relax and take some time reading the rules and guidelines.
Z
@despot67
The Blizzard 1220 unit is a combination of faster 020 CPU (28Mhz instead of 14Mhz) and 4MB Fast RAM.
The until will provide approximately 5 MIPS of processing power which is nearly 5 times faster than the stock A1200 (without fast) and about twice as Fast as an A1200 with Fast Ram - however Speed isn't everything.
For the most part you will enjoy WHDLoad with 2MB CHIP and 4MB FAST and this is a great way to start you journey into expanding your Amiga.
From here you will know what you want to do and where you want to take the future of your kit =)
now, 4MB is limmited - but you can run Classic Workbench 68k, and run WHDLoad games from memory - although games that are large (like more than 2 disks) will need the PRELOAD option disabled on them - dont want to confuse you with too much info at once.
Basically (in simplistic terms) WHDLoad Emulates a Floppy Drive, while the game is stored and run from the HDD - it thinks its still running from floppies.
to do this takes a little ram - about that of a floppy disk 960KB - but some games are 3, 4 or more disks and that can seriously eat FAST RAM up.
So an 5 MIPS accelerated 4MB is a great start - but it is limmited - if you could find the other 4MB adapter for it, then you will have a VERY nice solution for a WHDLoad machine - there are tweeks to enhance performance but these you will learn on the way - its part of the Amiga Journey(c)(tm) =D
Although you could run OS3.9 - you wont have much Memory left to do anything meaning full - so for this setup - keep it light and simple - it will still spank Workbench 3.1 default
have a look at classic workbench there are plenty on you tube - this will show you what various upgrades can really do.
have a look here at Classic Workbench Lite, it will use about 450KB of your system FAST RAM and a smidge of CHIP - but its very nice and wonderfully usable with lots of added features
Now, to really use more than that you will need more Fast RAM - something like 8MB for Classic Workbench Full and if you want any Higher I would recommend at least 16MB, the latter of which will require a different choice of accelerator.
What I suggest is that you set yourself a budget now, and see what you can get for those pennies, the community here really has become second to none, so if you need help - we love to do so =)
The Blizzard 1220 unit is a combination of faster 020 CPU (28Mhz instead of 14Mhz) and 4MB Fast RAM.
The until will provide approximately 5 MIPS of processing power which is nearly 5 times faster than the stock A1200 (without fast) and about twice as Fast as an A1200 with Fast Ram - however Speed isn't everything.
For the most part you will enjoy WHDLoad with 2MB CHIP and 4MB FAST and this is a great way to start you journey into expanding your Amiga.
From here you will know what you want to do and where you want to take the future of your kit =)
now, 4MB is limmited - but you can run Classic Workbench 68k, and run WHDLoad games from memory - although games that are large (like more than 2 disks) will need the PRELOAD option disabled on them - dont want to confuse you with too much info at once.
Basically (in simplistic terms) WHDLoad Emulates a Floppy Drive, while the game is stored and run from the HDD - it thinks its still running from floppies.
to do this takes a little ram - about that of a floppy disk 960KB - but some games are 3, 4 or more disks and that can seriously eat FAST RAM up.
So an 5 MIPS accelerated 4MB is a great start - but it is limmited - if you could find the other 4MB adapter for it, then you will have a VERY nice solution for a WHDLoad machine - there are tweeks to enhance performance but these you will learn on the way - its part of the Amiga Journey(c)(tm) =D
Although you could run OS3.9 - you wont have much Memory left to do anything meaning full - so for this setup - keep it light and simple - it will still spank Workbench 3.1 default
have a look at classic workbench there are plenty on you tube - this will show you what various upgrades can really do.
have a look here at Classic Workbench Lite, it will use about 450KB of your system FAST RAM and a smidge of CHIP - but its very nice and wonderfully usable with lots of added features
Now, to really use more than that you will need more Fast RAM - something like 8MB for Classic Workbench Full and if you want any Higher I would recommend at least 16MB, the latter of which will require a different choice of accelerator.
What I suggest is that you set yourself a budget now, and see what you can get for those pennies, the community here really has become second to none, so if you need help - we love to do so =)
yep you can only up the memory by adding a card to the a1200, or pcmia card but thats not advisable, 16bit card where a1200 is 32bit
you don`t need an FPU, floating point unit unless you well in to maths
extra 4Mb would let you use whdload, whdload lets you put floppy based games on your HDD but realistacly you should be looking for a minimum of an extra 8MB
Most ram/accel cards take extra memory in the form of sims, yep the old ones you remember from the pc days
I have read that this 1220 had a optional 4mb add on card? but the stock 1220 does look like a good deal <snip>...<snip> as some cards run into big bucks from what I have seen?
Whats the minimum for getting OS 3.9 running then as Id enjoy a better GUI and wonder if I should wait and pay more for a better card. Oh decisions decisions!!!!!!!!
[Edit]
Sorry despot67, I had to edit your post - by stating a price this could been seen as price guiding, which is against the site rules and guidelines, I know you didn't mean it this way so please don't worry just relax and take some time reading the rules and guidelines.
Z
Sorry Z
was unintentional as I thought it was OK as I was quoting the price the seller had advertised on this site in the for sale section.
Live n Learn.
Regards
Gazza
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@despot67
The Blizzard 1220 unit is a combination of faster 020 CPU (28Mhz instead of 14Mhz) and 4MB Fast RAM.
The until will provide approximately 5 MIPS of processing power which is nearly 5 times faster than the stock A1200 (without fast) and about twice as Fast as an A1200 with Fast Ram - however Speed isn't everything.
For the most part you will enjoy WHDLoad with 2MB CHIP and 4MB FAST and this is a great way to start you journey into expanding your Amiga.
From here you will know what you want to do and where you want to take the future of your kit =)
now, 4MB is limmited - but you can run Classic Workbench 68k, and run WHDLoad games from memory - although games that are large (like more than 2 disks) will need the PRELOAD option disabled on them - dont want to confuse you with too much info at once.
Basically (in simplistic terms) WHDLoad Emulates a Floppy Drive, while the game is stored and run from the HDD - it thinks its still running from floppies.
to do this takes a little ram - about that of a floppy disk 960KB - but some games are 3, 4 or more disks and that can seriously eat FAST RAM up.
So an 5 MIPS accelerated 4MB is a great start - but it is limmited - if you could find the other 4MB adapter for it, then you will have a VERY nice solution for a WHDLoad machine - there are tweeks to enhance performance but these you will learn on the way - its part of the Amiga Journey(c)(tm) =D
Although you could run OS3.9 - you wont have much Memory left to do anything meaning full - so for this setup - keep it light and simple - it will still spank Workbench 3.1 default
have a look at classic workbench there are plenty on you tube - this will show you what various upgrades can really do.
have a look here at Classic Workbench Lite, it will use about 450KB of your system FAST RAM and a smidge of CHIP - but its very nice and wonderfully usable with lots of added features
Now, to really use more than that you will need more Fast RAM - something like 8MB for Classic Workbench Full and if you want any Higher I would recommend at least 16MB, the latter of which will require a different choice of accelerator.
What I suggest is that you set yourself a budget now, and see what you can get for those pennies, the community here really has become second to none, so if you need help - we love to do so =)
Thankyou for taking the time to write out such an easy to follow and informative answer.
I think the stock 1220 with a set of 3.1roms will be a great starter for me, afterall its best to walk before you run.
The beauty of it all is that there is soooo much more to learn and do all via the help of one of the best forums I have had the pleasure of joining. This whole site has really inflamed my old interest in retro stuff. I was brought up on a vic20 with 16 expansion card and to me the idea of a sinclair QL was the thing dreams were made of.
All of these new multi core processors and my own setup of 4tb's of hard drive are brilliant but not what you could call "fun" which is where the retro scene comes to the rescue.Today's kids don't appreciate the buzz of loading a game by a cassette or the joy we still get at loading a game from two floppy discs - YES games can even fill two floppies, its unheard of isn't it LOL.
I take my hat off to all of you forum users and look forward to learning from you bit by bit
don't worry Gaz, I know you didn't mean it that way =)
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It may seem trivial and some what anal, but what might be seen as an established in town/county A is completely different in town/country B
the problem is in a normal market we get to discuss this issue in a civilized manner, alas on the internet it turns into flames, trolls and world war 3 - even calm quite netizens that wouldn't say BOO to a ghost have fallen foul.... its not pretty.... I have seen internet avatars loose limbs..... scary stuff man...
anyway in all seriousness, the rule is there to prohibit arguments and place a level and fair field for people to ask what they want for their wares =)
anyway, enough rulie guidelinie talk... go watch them youtubie links =)
from http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/aos39/index-e.html OS 3.9
So with Ks3.1 and 6Mb of ram (2chip+4Fast) you will at least be able to try Wb 3.9 also there are ways to get round not having a CD so its not really essential
So with Ks3.1 and 6Mb of ram (2chip+4Fast) you will at least be able to try Wb 3.9
also there are ways to get round not having a CD so its not really essentialfrom http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/aos39/index-e.html OS 3.9So with Ks3.1 and 6Mb of ram (2chip+4Fast) you will at least be able to try Wb 3.9
Oh Im torn, the indecision?
For not exactly breaking the bank I could buy that new accellorator with 64mb on it and I imagine this with 3.1roms would allow me to run most things (even though not blazingly fast) but run them all the same.
If I sell a few things I have listed this card could be a reality?
You can always buy the 3.1 ROM's plus the accelerator card now and then start saving for a PPC should you wish to go to 4.1
Most accelerator cards hold their value year after year so buying one now could be a wise investment for you.
Most accelerator cards hold their value year after year so buying one now could be a wise investment for you.
I realise that the 3.1 roms are a must nomatter what but I have been advised about the new card available for the A1200 and think that within a few weeks I can afford it (only me working, missus and 4 kids makes treats a real treat LOL).
The 1220 with 4mb is obviously brilliant but even I can work out 64mb would be a better deal from a "ability to run" point of view. I have always had this problem with wanting the best and I honestly dont think that anything less than a better OS and more power would make me happy as I would be thinking "what if" all the time.
I have read the threads on the new card and I think I am right in saying that the 3.1roms give me access to the whole 64mb ram? and I know its not a super fast chipset but would pound my existing stock amiga into the ground?
Don't you mean 66mb RAM? 2mb Chip and 64mb Fast
Yes, you will be able to access the entire amount of RAM
Don't you mean 66mb RAM? 2mb Chip and 64mb Fast
Yes, you will be able to access the entire amount of RAM
See thats why your smart and Im not - damn maths!!!!
Yep you are right, amazing its been years since the prospect of 64mb has made me excited?
even your 3.0 roms should see all the ram, you could then use .5Mb of it and map a 3.1 rom to it hehehehhe decisions decisions
the only bit of advice I can give you is its worth waiting/saveing for a decent mid range acc/ram card
the only bit of advice I can give you is its worth waiting/saveing for a decent mid range acc/ram card
FOL
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3.0 will only see an emergency 0.5MB, until you run ACATune.
ahh did`t know that and Ive read ever post on EAB about them accl`s
Thanks for the info Fol
Thanks for the info Fol
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