Windows 10? Constantly Windows Updated so oftens!

[Amiga Forever]

No Wonder so many Windows Users turn to Windows 7 or Linux but what do you think of Windows 10 seriously?

 

[demolition]

Win10 is not perfect by any means but I generally like it (except for the telemetry stuff). I also have a couple of Ubuntu machines and they also update at least weekly (like any modern internet-connected OS should) and I even had Ubuntu brick itself on my laptop as it updated the Nvidia driver to one that did not work.. Took me quite a while to get running again as I wasn't going to just reinstall it. Pretty sure Win10 would have been easier to repair if something similar were to happen.

I would not use it as my main OS today, but my favorite OS was probably Win7. XP was also great at the time.

 

[PJM]

Windows 7 is no longer supported and the only updates for it are critical ones. Windows 10 is fine, I only use it in VMs for courses or my day job (cyber security). Constant updates is good, and make sure you do update, the number of serious vulnerabilities out there is growing. You should be just as vigilant with your Linux installs which receive just as many fixes or updates. I prefer MacOS which is my daily OS alongside Ubuntu.

 

[moggsie]

I still use Windows 7 and I will do so until I absolutely have to upgrade. Windows 10 should of been called Bloat. And the reason why Micro$oft have said that this will be the final release of Windows is because it can't possibly get any worse.

 

[SaviorX]

all previous version of Windows have been 'community supported' with 'Unofficial Service Packs', they'll be usable for a long time, however, drivers for newer hardware will always be an issue, and ultimately will probably be the reason I will eventually move to 10, but that'll be in a year or 2 when I migrate to a whole new machine.

My current Win7 machine serves me quite well atm. (W7Pro_sp1 / AMD FX8350 8c_4.3Ghz 24GB R7_240_2GB) (I can still play most newer games on 'medium' settings)

 

[Amiga Forever]

I seem think Windows 7 is best Windows OS ever made along with Windows Xp.

Everyone got own view on which Best Windows OS is.

 

[commodorejohn]

Windows 10 was absolutely the thing that got me to finally grit my teeth and make the jump to Linux. I had a bit of hope that, after getting the entire world mad at them with 8, and the first thing making the rounds about the new version being that they'd given in and put the proper Start menu back, that might mean they were going to do the sensible thing and go back to making the straightforward, plain-vanilla useful desktop operating system that was the only thing anybody wanted out of them, and drop this notion that they were Apple-esque design divas whose every whim was a transcendent stroke of brilliance that the ignorant masses must be taught to properly appreciate.

Instead, they doubled down on every other stupid design decision in 8 and took away even more of the options to disable the new nonsense and roll back to old, sensible behaviors, stripped out more useful features from the basic versions, and engaged in a massive and deliberately deceptive push to strong-arm everyone into upgrading - to the basic version, no less! (I can't count how many clients of my employer at the time had their office networks just suddenly break because the free version of 10 that was pushed stripped out functionality that had previously been available in the base version of 7.) And that's not even getting into the built-in spyware.

So, yeah, if they really want to have a customer relationship where they give whatever orders they want based on their own whims and self-interest and the users are just expected to smile and nod and ask to be beaten a little harder? I don't need that.

 

[ori1a]

I use Win10 as my work environment. I'm drivers developer, so most I like telemetry to know how my software behaves around the world.
For entertainment I use old desktop PC with Windows XP and Ubuntu and my Amigas. I do not play any new games.
I also have old Macbook with MacOS used only by my wife for web browsing.

 

[PJM]

all previous version of Windows have been 'community supported' with 'Unofficial Service Packs', they'll be usable for a long time, however, drivers for newer hardware will always be an issue, and ultimately will probably be the reason I will eventually move to 10, but that'll be in a year or 2 when I migrate to a whole new machine.

My current Win7 machine serves me quite well atm. (W7Pro_sp1 / AMD FX8350 8c_4.3Ghz 24GB R7_240_2GB) (I can still play most newer games on 'medium' settings)

If you have time to wait for the fixes from the 'community' (many of which were ripped off of long term support contracts arrangements paid for by DoD and MoD beyond the end of life) then thats great, but as an every day machine, you're better off and safer moving across to Linux if you won't update to Windows 10 etc.

 

[fitzsteve]

I'm not a big fan of 10 but if you want to play the latest DX12 games, etc then you need it.

I hung on to 7 for as long as I could, as I did with XP. I guess I'm also one of those who does not take well to change.

I previously upgraded (for free I might add) my Netbook all the way to 10 but it's just no use at all, the old dual core 1.6ghz Atom and 256mb NVidia GPU just can't get anything done with it. Have set back to XP and using it offline for emulators only. Note I was able to get the free Win10 Upgrade through a Vista Licence it came (was a dual licence laptop XP & Vista)

When are we due Windows 11 or whatever?

 

[commodorejohn]

When are we due Windows 11 or whatever?

At least until people finally break out the torches and pitchforks, Windows 11 isn't coming - according to MS, this is the Forever Version where they're just going to keep futzing with it until the end of time.

 

[SaviorX]

all previous version of Windows have been 'community supported' with 'Unofficial Service Packs', they'll be usable for a long time, however, drivers for newer hardware will always be an issue, and ultimately will probably be the reason I will eventually move to 10, but that'll be in a year or 2 when I migrate to a whole new machine.

My current Win7 machine serves me quite well atm. (W7Pro_sp1 / AMD FX8350 8c_4.3Ghz 24GB R7_240_2GB) (I can still play most newer games on 'medium' settings)

If you have time to wait for the fixes from the 'community' (many of which were ripped off of long term support contracts arrangements paid for by DoD and MoD beyond the end of life) then thats great, but as an every day machine, you're better off and safer moving across to Linux if you won't update to Windows 10 etc.

blahblahblah... here you go...

Win7: http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=3125574

WinXP: https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_xp_service_pack_4_unofficial.html

Win2000: https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_windows_2000_unofficial_sp.html

Win98: https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/unofficial_windows98_se_service_pack.html

Win95: https://msfn.org/board/topic/129504-unofficial-windows-95-osr2x-service-pack-10x-final-release/

ripped off fixes for software people paid for, that Microsoft has decided to stop supporting? get thee a life.

this isn't remotely about (forced) migration of software, but continuing to be able to use software already paid for...

would anyone be happy if the company that made your car stopped supporting it (ie: refusing to fix it) after 10 years?

oh, that's right... you'd just take it to a '3rd party' garage...

I find it somewhat a shame that MicroSoft has chosen an all-or-nothing approach to attempt to force '10' on people, they'd have probably done fine offering a $10 annual support subscription to the millions of '7' users out there going forward... (over 630 million copies of Windows 7 were sold...)

 

[slaz]

Well - here's my 2p ...

Some time about 8-9 years ago some M$ suits and marketroids noticed that lots of people were using smartphones for lots of internet/web stuff. So they've gone "Oh **** - we need to make the next windows look like a cellphone" - hence windows 8 .... eck. That was truly a f*ck-up. Then there was 8.1 ... pffhttt.

So now there's windows 10 .... well in design terms, its a disaster. I mean, are there _any_ people actually _using_ that screen full of crap on that "start bar" thing ? Why the _ridiculous_ mixture of traditional and "modern" dialogue styles ..... why oh why do we now have control panel and "PC settings" ??? I nearly always have to look in 2 places to find what I need there :-/

I'm well out of date now with the corporate scenario, but do corporate roll-outs still include Kandy Krush and XBox stuff by default ? Surely not .... do they ?? Seems to me having to write and run a friggin' powershell script to de-bloat is insanity. How does all the "telemetry" affect corporate sysadmins ? Is it all handled at domain level or what ?

I still run windows 7 as my day-to-day OS ... it works well and doesn't cause me grief. But I've now spent time on a spare machine with windows 10, to "rehearse" switching over to windows 10 in January. Feels a bit like Brexit.
Are they going to fix SMB sharing ? (Rumour has it that some attempt to block the spread of ransomware has basically broken workgroup sharing). It often bombs out with a "Duuurrr it didn't work"-type dialogue - and thats it apart from an utterly useless "troubleshoot" link. Pah. Why oh why oh why did they remove the F8 startup ?

I suppose I should say there are a few things with it that are quite "slick" and seem to work quite well .... but not enough.

So - anyway - if you install classicshell its kind of tame-able. I'm feeling now I could just about learn to live with it. But M$ is dragging me kickin' and screamin' ....

Linux ? Not for me - not as day-to-day desktop .... MacOS ? Bit too much of a change for me ... and Apple is - if anything - now worse than M$ for the commercial cynicism and the "we own this computer - not you" kind of strategy.

 

[SaviorX]

Well - here's my 2p ...

Some time about 8-9 years ago some M$ suits and marketroids noticed that lots of people were using smartphones for lots of internet/web stuff. So they've gone "Oh **** - we need to make the next windows look like a cellphone" - hence windows 8 .... eck. That was truly a f*ck-up. Then there was 8.1 ... pffhttt.

So now there's windows 10 .... well in design terms, its a disaster. I mean, are there _any_ people actually _using_ that screen full of crap on that "start bar" thing ? Why the _ridiculous_ mixture of traditional and "modern" dialogue styles ..... why oh why do we now have control panel and "PC settings" ??? I nearly always have to look in 2 places to find what I need there :-/

I'm well out of date now with the corporate scenario, but do corporate roll-outs still include Kandy Krush and XBox stuff by default ? Surely not .... do they ?? Seems to me having to write and run a friggin' powershell script to de-bloat is insanity. How does all the "telemetry" affect corporate sysadmins ? Is it all handled at domain level or what ?

I still run windows 7 as my day-to-day OS ... it works well and doesn't cause me grief. But I've now spent time on a spare machine with windows 10, to "rehearse" switching over to windows 10 in January. Feels a bit like Brexit.
Are they going to fix SMB sharing ? (Rumour has it that some attempt to block the spread of ransomware has basically broken workgroup sharing). It often bombs out with a "Duuurrr it didn't work"-type dialogue - and thats it apart from an utterly useless "troubleshoot" link. Pah. Why oh why oh why did they remove the F8 startup ?

I suppose I should say there are a few things with it that are quite "slick" and seem to work quite well .... but not enough.

So - anyway - if you install classicshell its kind of tame-able. I'm feeling now I could just about learn to live with it. But M$ is dragging me kickin' and screamin' ....

Linux ? Not for me - not as day-to-day desktop .... MacOS ? Bit too much of a change for me ... and Apple is - if anything - now worse than M$ for the commercial cynicism and the "we own this computer - not you" kind of strategy.

Apple finally lost what little respect I had left after the whole "we slowed down your $700 phone to save your $29 battery... NOT to make it seem like you needed to buy a new $700 phone... no... not at all... whatever gave you that idea...?" thing...

after that, Apple shouldn't have a single customer left, imo...

 

[slaz]

Yeah - I find those theatrical "keynote" things they have stomach-churning. No doubt the apple fan-boys and fan-girls would be gasping in amazement and shrieking if Apple announced the I-snotball.

 

[Templar]

If you respect your privacy then stay clear of Win10. Actually, it's not only that, if you can handle Linux, it's fantastic (together with Amiga of course).

 

[Iain]

+1 for Linux switch over. I started using Linux Mint a year or so ago to get ready for when support ends for Windows 7 and I have to say I'm pretty happy with it. On my main machine I'm using Linux Mint more and more and less of WIndows 7. A good few GOG games work on Linux as well (technically Ubuntu - but Mint is a branch off that), although for new fancy games Linux probably isn't going to cover it. I'm planning to upgrade my machine within a year or two, but don't like the idea of buying Windows 10 for it just to play some games sometimes.... when Linux Mint will do for 95% of my computer stuff.

 

[fitzsteve]

Another issue with Windows 10 is forced driver updates, yet again it's broken my Logitech G29 and the only way to fix it last time was a fresh install of the OS

Close to throwing the whole thing in a skip

 

[Justin]

love, love, love won 10, loved win 7, hated 8 but 10 is awesome, just turn off some options and it is sweet and fast, Linux is a geeks dream but no where near ready for the masses, iOS is only good for mobiles etc, the desktop version is toss. the problem you have is you are geeks and not the masses, the masses don't want to be involved the day today use of the OS but you don't see that because you think everyone is like you

win10 is great and is here to stay for a while, is has a huge market share now
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[rcade]

I don't like W10 as much as W7- I agree about the confusing mix of control panel crap, and I do use ClassicShell. However, the updates are not that often- they went to monthly cumulative patches, and there is a new rollout version upgrade every 6-12 months. This is about the same as the Mac...

If you are getting constant upgrades that require a reboot, you must be on the Windows Insider program or something. I did that once and regretted it pretty quick.