Windows XP support ended today. Now what?

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They chucked out a very old computer just before new year.

Its video was off a card.
Same with sound
Keyboard socket wasn't PS2
Shame I couldn't get it home in secret as it was bloody big
 
Well, it's official!

Windows XP is now retro!

At work, I've had my XP machine replaced with a Windows 8.1 laptop. So far, I don't actually hate it. But then I only use it to run our ITSM toolchain.

As for the old XP laptop, well, it's at home now, and it runs WinUAE pretty nicely! :lol:
 
If you were a commercial business or a large office, I'd recommend a program such as Faronics DeepFreeze, to lock the machines down and prevent changes without Admin intervention.

If a machine gets compromised in some way, then reboot it and it rolls back to before it happened, so unless any major hardware problem occurs, there's an extra level of protection you could use to keep XP going for a while longer.

There's always a Linux build as an alternative and Linux appears to be more secure and resistant to nefarious software. To an office user, Debian Mint with the Cinnamon desktop would be a usable environment. It doesn't have to be Windows as the alternative.
 
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If you were a commercial business or a large office, I'd recommend a program such as Faronics DeepFreeze, to lock the machines down and prevent changes without Admin intervention.

If a machine gets compromised in some way, then reboot it and it rolls back to before it happened, so unless any major hardware problem occurs, there's an extra level of protection you could use to keep XP going for a while longer.

There's always a Linux build as an alternative and Linux appears to be more secure and resistant to nefarious software. To an office user, Debian Mint with the Cinnamon desktop would be a usable environment. It doesn't have to be Windows as the alternative.

If you ask me some users need deep freezing! :lol:
 
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Faronics DeepFreeze

Ok, that one's a new one on me, but highly relevant to my interests!

http://www.faronics.com/en-uk/products/deep-freeze/enterprise/

It's pretty darn good. One thing to watch out for is that new documents can head South and get deleted after a DeepFreeze reboot, so make sure that users save files to another networked drive from the work station.

I'd highly recommend it for a school or university environment.
 
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Agree with some of the comments above, but just to contribute to keeping the thread on track for Phantom, it depends on what you're trying to achieve. The original post was regarding moving from XP in the business environment, so I hope the following is taken constructively and not as a scare story - I'm just trying to share what I do on a daily basis within the security field at work.

In our business environment, we are mandated to have systems that are sustainable and that are currently being supported by developers/manufacturers. Therefore maintaining an old OS, no matter whether that be a desktop OS, router/switch OS or Firewall OS, is not an option for us. We would fail annual penetration tests and lose accreditation status with various partners if we allowed those old OS's to exist. Since testing is also done internally, not just externally-inbound, it takes into account that a lot of threats come from social engineering and internally driven exploitation. If an exploit is found, it is recommended that it be 'plugged' or the risk mitigated, and 9 times out of 10, this vulnerability is due to an inefficient software patching/equipment hardening policy within the organisation, or a lapse in training staff in security awareness. Therefore it goes without saying in my above scenario that if the recommendation was to patch/harden, and no patches or extra hardening can be performed because of support issues, then there's little option but to change the whole system - or face the consequences.

Also the comment regarding the threat lessening once an OS is dead is only really valid for application within the home, and even then, I wouldn't trust that situation fully (since more scams are being issued every week to millions of users around the world). Any company has data worth stealing, or has a reason to be exploited, be it for financial gain, or just reputational damage. With this in mind, even small companies have something to lose. Larger companies and government agencies are much more targetable, and with the news at the moment being rampant regarding the amount of companies who have a large amount of Win XP in their estate, it would be best to assume that in this particular instance any ICT administrators (Networks/Servers/Security/Desktops) would want to be on alert. It's always after an exploit has hit that people think of the damage and work involved in preventing another attack.

Of course we all know that in a home environment, if you're half clever you can mitigate a lot of the risk by your use of the system. It's also fair to say that you could go on indefinitely and not have an attack by chance or because your perimeter is secured to a decent level and you trust the users of the computers. But it's also fair to say that, usually, people only appreciate security issues after the fact. Since a business is also about making money and staying in business, you also want to maintain good assurance to your customers that you are keeping any data safe. Therefore it's not a great image to run on out of date systems, since it's an easy reason for customers to take their money elsewhere.

So my recommendation would be that in an enterprise environment, unless the unit is completely locked down, and kept in a locked environment (used as a dumb terminal with no direct internet access/port forwarding and with only some sort of VNC/RDP access over a VPN for example), I'd recommend moving to at least Win7 rather than trying to keep an old XP system going. If the business is a one-man band with 2 desktops and a server, then this isn't going to be much of a problem anyway. If it's a larger organisation like my own, then moving away is a necessity.

If using it at home, of course, the worlds your oyster. I still have a full big-box XP Pro install that I stopped using in 2009 because of moving to Win 7 ultimate when it came out. If I ever need XP on a physical desktop for some reason, I wouldn't think twice about installing and using my spare licence, because the risk is low to me individually.

I hope this is helpful :-)
 
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i have a Win98SE system..i put it on the internet....it didnt explode....
 
i have a Win98SE system..i put it on the internet....it didnt explode....

But you could be hacked to the bones in one minute due to numerous non corrected breaches and the lack of compatible and up to date antivirus and firewall.

Windows 7 is perfect and even better than XP stability wise.
 
But you could be hacked to the bones in one minute due to numerous non corrected breaches and the lack of compatible and up to date antivirus and firewall.
If anybody were even bothering with them anymore, maybe.

Remember: security through obscurity just requires a sufficiently high level of obscurity!
 
i have a Win98SE system..i put it on the internet....it didnt explode....

But you could be hacked to the bones in one minute due to numerous non corrected breaches and the lack of compatible and up to date antivirus and firewall.

Windows 7 is perfect and even better than XP stability wise.

But who uses Windows 98se these days as a main OS?

Have you all noticed how when we actually had Windows 98 as the latest version it seemed quite nice with enough features to keep us happy for the moment? But boot it up now and it seems like a small minimal feature OS for playing around with the odd old game or Win9x only piece of software.

Regarding XP. Now support has ended what does this mean for the built in XP mode in Windows 7 Ultimate? Does it also add vulnerabilities to anyone running it within 7? I know it is ultimately just a virtual machine which can cleverly hide it's identity and many XP apps appear to be running in Win 7 windows, but still... surely there is some small risk?
 
Regarding XP. Now support has ended what does this mean for the built in XP mode in Windows 7 Ultimate? Does it also add vulnerabilities to anyone running it within 7? I know it is ultimately just a virtual machine which can cleverly hide it's identity and many XP apps appear to be running in Win 7 windows, but still... surely there is some small risk?
Correct, WinXP mode is simply a Win XP image, with all the risks that implies. You can update the virtual WinXP mode to whatever the latest patch levels are, but ultimately, because it's running a full OS, that instance of the OS is vulnerable. Because there are some interactions with the 'host' OS (Win7 for example), such as NAT'ing of virtual NICs and mounting of drives/devices, it's possible that the host OS itself could be exploited, although it is a reduced risk. More likely is that any compromise would be of the virtual image itself, therefore it's easier to manage (you could wipe it, reinstall it, take regular backups of the image and restore etc.).
 
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After much research about the end of XP support and how it will now be vulnerable to attack, i am reluctantly going to upgrade one of my PC's to Windows 7. This PC i use only for online banking, online purchases, eBay, PayPal etc etc, so i should not have any issues with drivers and hardware as its pretty much a stock HP7900 with just an ATI HD5450 added to it.
 
Just love my windows 8.1, it's faster than win7, it's just a matter of getting used to it! Give windows 8.1 a chance, you will not regret it :)
 
I have given Win8 a shot - it's on my work machine at my new job. I had to spend hours installing extensions and tweaks to make it act sensible, and it still bites.
 
The "End" of XP support simply means no more security updates from Microsoft... and since when could you rely on their security updates? :D

I installed SP3 and never bothered with anything beyond that. I guess I ended my support for Microsoft a long time ago! :lol:
 
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Just love my windows 8.1, it's faster than win7, it's just a matter of getting used to it! Give windows 8.1 a chance, you will not regret it :)
Although I wasn't a massive fan of Win 8.x, I'm liking the 8.1 with Spring Update. The new update ("Spring Update" or "Windows 8.1 update 1" or whatever you want to call it) doesn't bring much new, the minor tweaks are enough to peak my interest and I've now got 8.1 Update 1 on one of my desktops and a laptop.

Unfortunately, the PC in the front room, although a 64-bit CPU (a single-core AMD Athlon 64), it refuses to boot a Windows 8, 8.1 or 8.1u1 disc (either 32 or 64bit variety) and just crashes on the Windows logo splash screen, never gets as far as setup. On this machine, I have Windows 7 but I'm finding Win7 not so well optimised for said hardware (it's got a "Designed for Wndows XP" sticker on the case, which gives an idea of age) - the Windows 8 Upgrade Advisor tells me the PC in question is suitable to Windows 8 (32 or 64) and Windows 8.1 (32bit only as the CPU is missing the CMPXCHG16b instuction set) so I have no idea as to why the disc won't boot. DVD drive checks out OK and so does cabling. Discs al check out OK, RAM passes memtest without problem so I may be left on Win7 on this machine.
 
Exactly :)

For home use XP will do just fine for me for years to come, although I understand the concern in larger companies. When Microsoft start selling their OS's at 29 USD, I'll consider buying one every 3 or 4 years :)

The last couple of months Newspapers and IT magazines have benn full of WARNINGS and "safety recommendations". Many consumers blindly follow these "advices" and spend their hard earned cash on Vista, 7 or 8, with out realizing that they probably don't need it. I guess MS really need to push sales for 8 :)

The "End" of XP support simply means no more security updates from Microsoft... and since when could you rely on their security updates? :D

I installed SP3 and never bothered with anything beyond that. I guess I ended my support for Microsoft along time ago! :lol:
 
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