A4000 Battery replacement

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I've read quite a bit this afternoon about replacing the battery on an A4000D with a CR-2032 and general consensus of opinion seems to be that it doesn't work because by the time you have the lower (3v) battery in the first place, and then the forward voltage drop of a diode to prevent charging the resultant voltage is too borderline for the RTC chip to maintain it's memory.

So I looked at the schematics for the 4000-CR and that shows a standard 1N4148 diode fitted in the event that a Lithium battery is used and the data sheet for the RTC gives a minimum voltage requirement to store of 2.2v, so those two things back that up (3v - 0.65 = 2.35v = barely enough).

So then I figured 2 x CR2032 = 6v, but that's too much as although the absolute max for the RTC is 7v, that's a momentary 7v, not sustained.

Is there anything wrong however with simply using 2 x CR2032 in series + 1 x 1N4148 and of course the 1N4148 that is already in place to give me round about a 4.7v supply to the RTC. Seems fair to me but am I over looking anything? I would also be reducing the internal resistance of the overall battery pack as well so in theory the drop off didn't ought to be quite as severe as it's known to be on CR2032's either, though I'm not overly concerned about that.

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Oh, just to pre-empt the "why don't I just buy a 3.6v battery" question...

Can't buy anything like that around here and I'd have to order it in. I already have CR2032's, holders, 1N4148 diodes and indeed, IF I need it (don't think I do), breadboard all to hand.
 
Why no?

3v x 2 = 6v
6v - 0.65v (approx. voltage drop of 1N4148) = 5.35v
5.35v - 0.65v = 4.7v

You have 2 1N4148 diodes because there should be one already in the A4000 (must however confirm that) and you add a second.

The RP5C01A has a minimum of 2.2v and maximum of 5.25v VCC requirement.

I guess this is why up to 6V is acceptable on the "External Battery" connector.

I was more concerned with if there are any problems with placing two CR-2032s together...

---------- Post added at 16:36 ---------- Previous post was at 16:35 ----------

Oh, or do you mean "No, there's nothing wrong with it" :lol:
 
do what you want mate,its your machine:lol:
i would of probably used a zener in some way to knock it down further(to about 3.6).then tested it before connecting it up.
and,no means no.
 
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The voltage on anode can not be higher than cathode otherwise will always be forward polarized and when Amiga is turned ON it will damage the battery. The 1N4148 diode will work properly in this circuit only if battery voltage is minimum 1V lower than 5V. Use germanium diode for lower voltage drop.
 
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Ah! An answer that makes sense! Thank you.

I didn't know that was how a diode had to work so sure, I can see that 6v would be too much then in that case. Back to the drawing board then. Or at least ordering more stuff online :(
 
I'm a bit confused with CN181 that says "Ext Batt (6V Max)" and why 6v would be OK there but not on the internal battery connector. But there's an area of the circuit above it with +12v as well which I don't really follow what's going on there. To be honest, analog electronics is not my strong point, to put it mildly.

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I guess at the end of the day, I could just connect a couple of CR2032's in series to the external connector and be done with it if that would work?
 
i think cn181 is/was for a 3.6 volt lithium cell.

not everything in life makes sense.
 
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I guess at the end of the day, I could just connect a couple of CR2032's in series to the external connector and be done with it if that would work?
3V is the nominal voltage - it can be higher on a new one. A fresh CR2032 could be up to 3.4V according to a random data sheet I found for one:
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1496885.pdf

In reality, I would expect a new one to be around 3.1V.
 
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