Sold Amiga 1200HD NOS

[darefail]

Are you implying that we shouldn't trust admins here anymore?

Read my post and tell me what made you asking me this.

 

[Tom-Cat]

Read my post and tell me what made you asking me this.

You implied that it's normal for admins to make such mistakes, and it is not their fault when situations like this happen.

 

[darefail]

You implied that it's normal for admins to make such mistakes, and it is not their fault when situations like this happen.

It is not normal in the way you are getting it, but yes, it is possible to make such a mistake.
Who do you thing they are? Gods?
BTW what is your opinion?

 

[Tom-Cat]

It is not normal in the way you are getting it, but yes, it is possible to make such a mistake.
Who do you thing they are? Gods?
BTW what is your opinion?

Actually on this forum the admins are defacto Gods.

I'm not sure you read every post in this thread, but according to what happened, people should not trust their judgment when it comes to security issues like that. To repeat what I read above: an admin explicitly confirmed that the seller's account has not been hacked. Such a claim leaves no room for an alternative interpretation. And no, it doesn't really matter why an admin decided the seller is legit. Could be many reasons, but that's irrelevant.

It comes down to a simple question: can we trust admins here or can we not?

 

[darefail]

Actually on this forum the admins are defacto Gods.

I'm not sure you read every post in this thread, but according to what happened, people should not trust their judgment when it comes to security issues like that. To repeat what I read above: an admin explicitly confirmed that the seller's account has not been hacked. Such a claim leaves no room for an alternative interpretation. And no, it doesn't really matter why an admin decided the seller is legit. Could be many reasons, but that's irrelevant.

It comes down to a simple question: can we trust admins here or can we not?

First of all, you hit your 50th comment in 12 years, while having bought 2 items, the last one 10 years ago.
You should be the last member here to worry about this topic.
I am here about a year and it is the first time that i am reading a comment of yours.
But ok, besides all the above things, it is your money and it is up to you if you decide to trust an admin's decision to buy something or not in a case like this. More correct, for the thing that you won't buy..

Edit: about if i have read every post in this thread, where were you at 5 a.m. yesterday when all these things were happening? i guess you were sleeping right?

 

[veper]

First of all, you hit your 50th comment in 12 years, while having bought 2 items, the last one 10 years ago.

I think you're unnecessarily being unrespectful here. It is not unusual for people from the same country to know each other and communicate, so he's aware of the situation.

Why do you think it is important how many comments Tom-Cat has and how many things he bought at Amibay? We're not little kids to brag about how many posts someone has. If you really knew the retro scene, you'd know Tom-Cat from CSDB, EAB and other related forums. He's an author of many c64/amiga software tools and games, you'd be surprised.

Anyway, I think this thread should have ended with my post #18 above. I explained everything and I also stated that I don't blame neither admin, nor Amibay. Why did you go and try to blame the victim(s) with protecting admin's actions in your post that followed mine above is beyond me.

 

[darefail]

@veper he started and I am trying to finish it.
Unrespectful? Should I have respect about what? And why?

 

[matze79]

Do you use 2FA ?

 

[Xanxi]

Calm down people.
A scammer has easily pocketed 2000 EUR and is surely having a nice relaxing day by now. There is no need to fight between us on top of that.

Yes everyone MUST activate 2 factors authentification NOW.

 

[darefail]

Calm down people.
A scammer has easily pocketed 2000 EUR and is surely having a nice relaxing day by now. There is no need to fight between us on top of that.

Yes everyone MUST activate 2 factors authentification NOW.

Every relaxing day never lasts forever..
Regards

 

[davideo]

However, one of Amibay admins confirmed in that thread: "To be clear - nobodys account had been hacked after investigation." To me, that was the confirmation that I can go ahead and make the payment. I would dare to send money to the real stachu100 as "friends & family" 10 out of 10 times, as I believe you can equal someone you share a platform with for so long and is well respected by the community basically as "friend". The only problem here was that his account was hacked, so we were tricked to believe we're sending the money to "the real stachu100" Paypal address. If the thread was started by a new(ish) member or the legitimacy of stachu100 was not confirmed by the admin, I for sure wouldn't transfer the funds as F&F.

I want to point out I'm intentionally not naming the admin in question here in my reply, as I believe he's a good admin/moderator who is doing a good job (and even saved me once from the rogue seller years ago if I recall correctly). Everyone makes mistakes occasionally and this time it was a few of us who paid the price. I still think Amibay is one of the best if not the best place to buy/sell retro gear at.

To conclude, considering all of the information above, I don't think we the buyers did something very wrong on our end. The seller's reputation was immaculate, the ad was nothing out of the ordinary, the scammer answered my questions correctly and admin confirmed the account hasn't been hacked...

We are all human and can make mistakes.

As I said earlier I carried out some basic checks and checked the email address within Stan'ss profile on several occassions and each time I looked the address had not changed.

Although this is a sad situation lessons should be learnt from it.

Activate 2FA - it's surprising how many members have done this in the last few days.

Change your passwords on a regular basis.

Ensure that your email address within your profile is valid and still active.

We are a small forum that still gets the odd scammer and we do our best to stop them but we can't be successful all the time and the odd one still gets through.

If a deal looks too good to be true and there's an urgency for payment - walk away.

 

[veper]

I think the main lesson that should be learned from this is not listed above:

Don't use Paypal's "friends & family" option. Doesn't matter if you think the seller is legit or anyone confirms the seller is legit, just don't use that option and you'll get your money back in case of a scam.

 

[Xanxi]

I think the main lesson that should be learned from this is not listed above:

Don't use Paypal's "friends & family" option. Doesn't matter if you think the seller is legit or anyone confirms the seller is legit, just don't use that option and you'll get your money back in case of a scam.

Indeed, i use F&F too much myself without thinking.
Perhaps the Paypal fee calculator https://www.salecalc.com/paypal?p=&l=fr&r=0&e=0&f=0&m=0&c=0 should be available as a permanent link on top of Amibay's first page to ease the situation.
Apart from paying services like repair fees, F&F should be avoided.

 

[Whisper]

The problem is that most don't accept PayPal's other payment option, even though the buyer, pay the fees.

 

[Watson]

And I have also e-mailed today morning to your wife as we've had a deal recently and the money transfer from me to you was on her PayPal account.
With a message to you as an Admin about my account hacked.

So I really tried to do my best.

My wife has not mentioned anything but yes we know you have done everything you possibly could have.

 

[Watson]

I just wanted to add with the recent comments of not trusting admin.

If buyers paid via a protected method rather then friends & family there would be less issues like this. It has been said many times on the forum before and Amibay recommend all payments should be made with a protected method. If buyers choose not to do that, then this is their risk and Amibay staff are not responsible. We do however try to help and mistakes happen.

Quoted from the rules for reference.

Paying for Items
It is not the responsibility of AmiBay to enforce any type of payment. Payment methods are as agreed between the seller and the buyer.

AmiBay recommends that all payments should be made with a protected method of payment and strongly discourages the use of non traceable payment methods such as crypto currency.

 

[veper]

The problem is that most don't accept PayPal's other payment option, even though the buyer, pay the fees.

I know. Such sellers basically force you to take a risk if you wish to acquire a piece of equipment you need/want. And that maybe is something worth thinking about by the admins when the forum rules are due for the next update. In addition, I'm not sure why VPNs are not discouraged if not forbidden here. If anywhere, it's marketplace themed websites where users should not hide behind a VPN. Is there any good reason why would we need to hide our IP addresses from admins/mods? I for one use VPN by default, but have sites such as Amibay on exception list.

 

[miggymad]

@veper

Signing up to Amibay using a VPN is not allowed, the system will block you if it discovers that you are. Once your account is granted, you can choose to use one or not.

 

[Whisper]

Lately, we've been seeing large sums of money involved in the purchase and sale of devices. I would suggest that when the amount is higher, say €100, to give an example, the seller is required to accept both PayPal payment methods (and the commissions are paid by the buyer).

 

[veper]

@veper

Signing up to Amibay using a VPN is not allowed, the system will block you if it discovers that you are. Once your account is granted, you can choose to use one or not.

It's @veper, but yes, I know that as well. I'm a long time member and it was not only once I've read the rules. I'm questioning what good use can a VPN have on a marketplace-related website? Who is the user hiding from? Why are we - as a community - happy to allow people that want to sell goods here hide their IPs? Why are we happy they force us to use PP's F&F payments without any protection?

I'm not criticizing anyone here, maybe that's an impression a native English speaker gets from my broken English. It's not my mother tongue, it's my third language, so I appologize for that. All I'm trying to do here is encourage a debate on these issues - maybe we can come up with decent solutions that will protect the buyers a bit more.