Added you to the dedicated thread with instructions !
(Still 4 adapters available on sale)
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Sold Amiga RGB2VGA Ultimate Line Remover Multi Filter User Switchable
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(Still 4 adapters available on sale)
Declaring interest.
(Marked as sold/completed by sampedenawa)
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AMIRGB2VGA ULTIMATE
Reservations (when available):
asking 28€ each plus shipping worldwide (no DB23)
asking 35€ each plus shipping worldwide (with DB23)
AMIRGB2VGA ULTIMATE
is a "revised-revised" RGB to VGA adapter for the Amiga A500-A600-A2000 and A1200-A4000, with unique improvements:
- Fully buffered Composite HSync and VSync signals
- Selectable CSync signal for those lucky guys who own a Sony PVM monitor (or feed a GBS-C converter, etc)
- Impedance matched inputs and outputs
- Fully high quality buffered video signals
- Fully filtered spurious input frequencies: no more vertical bars on LCD screens !
- Four user selectable filter settings: precisely match your display resolution for perfect quality !
- Smaller than the original 390682-01/03 VGA dongle by commodore
User can freely select any of the four low-pass filter profiles, to either match resolutions for maximum clarity and clearness; available profiles are:
- SD -> 9.5Mhz
- ED -> 18Mhz
- HD -> 36Mhz
- FHD -> 72Mhz
THE ISSUE
When connecting an Amiga computer (or in general any computer/console designed to be used with an analogue RGB monitor) to a modern LCD screen with a VGA interface, one can observe the typical 'jail bars', annoying horizontal stripes covering the entire screen.
The VGA input , unlike the scart one, is not bandwidth limited in any way; thus it picks up any spurious noise on the Amiga RGB signals.
More in detail, the basic problem is the VGA monitor: the Amiga video output was designed with CRTs in mind (which was the correct solution at the time); the video bandwidth of those CRTs was something limited to ~10MHz.
Video jailbars artifact are, in the frequency domain, frequency components >28MHz (they come from the fundamental Amiga 28Mhz clock and its higher harmonics) .
Modern VGA/LCD displays, support today video bandwidths of 130MHz and more, so they are able to display these frequency components which take the form of annoying jail bars.
View attachment 2479796
THE SOLUTION
This below is the result of the video filtering and impedance-matching of the adapter:
View attachment 2479797
A practical and effective solution to the issue is to limit the video bandwidth from the source with a proper video amplifier chip with lowpass filter.
The cut-off frequency of the low-pass filter must be correctly calculated in order to eliminate unwanted frequencies, without however compromising the quality and definition of the video information to be displayed.
In the case of the Amiga series computers, it is basically a matter of calibrating the filters for two major cases: OCS/ECS and AGA.
In the first case, filtering calibrated at 9Mhz or 18Mhz is appropriate, while in the second case it is appropriate to increase the bandwidth, filtering around 30Mhz.
The design described here combines in one device the ability to select any of four appropriate cut-off frequencies on the fly, using a commercial chip from Texas Instruments, which performs the function of video amplifier and selectable filter.
The inputs and outputs of the circuit are also calibrated to the correct impedance of the video signals, and the horizontal and vertical synchronisation signals are buffered for maximum possible stability.
Finally, an option has been included to replace the horizontal synchronisation signal with the composite synchronisation signal, so that Sony PVM-type displays or GBS-C-type converters can be connected.
The switchable frequency lowpass filter show the following figures:
View attachment 2479798
Edit:
There's one here, from a Czech user.
It's not mine, so I can't assure anything about it, but worth a try
View attachment 2479791View attachment 2479792
AMIRGB2VGA ULTIMATE
Reservations (when available):
asking 28€ each plus shipping worldwide (no DB23)
asking 35€ each plus shipping worldwide (with DB23)
AMIRGB2VGA ULTIMATE
is a "revised-revised" RGB to VGA adapter for the Amiga A500-A600-A2000 and A1200-A4000, with unique improvements:
- Fully buffered Composite HSync and VSync signals
- Selectable CSync signal for those lucky guys who own a Sony PVM monitor (or feed a GBS-C converter, etc)
- Impedance matched inputs and outputs
- Fully high quality buffered video signals
- Fully filtered spurious input frequencies: no more vertical bars on LCD screens !
- Four user selectable filter settings: precisely match your display resolution for perfect quality !
- Smaller than the original 390682-01/03 VGA dongle by commodore
User can freely select any of the four low-pass filter profiles, to either match resolutions for maximum clarity and clearness; available profiles are:
- SD -> 9.5Mhz
- ED -> 18Mhz
- HD -> 36Mhz
- FHD -> 72Mhz
THE ISSUE
When connecting an Amiga computer (or in general any computer/console designed to be used with an analogue RGB monitor) to a modern LCD screen with a VGA interface, one can observe the typical 'jail bars', annoying horizontal stripes covering the entire screen.
The VGA input , unlike the scart one, is not bandwidth limited in any way; thus it picks up any spurious noise on the Amiga RGB signals.
More in detail, the basic problem is the VGA monitor: the Amiga video output was designed with CRTs in mind (which was the correct solution at the time); the video bandwidth of those CRTs was something limited to ~10MHz.
Video jailbars artifact are, in the frequency domain, frequency components >28MHz (they come from the fundamental Amiga 28Mhz clock and its higher harmonics) .
Modern VGA/LCD displays, support today video bandwidths of 130MHz and more, so they are able to display these frequency components which take the form of annoying jail bars.
View attachment 2479796
THE SOLUTION
This below is the result of the video filtering and impedance-matching of the adapter:
View attachment 2479797
A practical and effective solution to the issue is to limit the video bandwidth from the source with a proper video amplifier chip with lowpass filter.
The cut-off frequency of the low-pass filter must be correctly calculated in order to eliminate unwanted frequencies, without however compromising the quality and definition of the video information to be displayed.
In the case of the Amiga series computers, it is basically a matter of calibrating the filters for two major cases: OCS/ECS and AGA.
In the first case, filtering calibrated at 9Mhz or 18Mhz is appropriate, while in the second case it is appropriate to increase the bandwidth, filtering around 30Mhz.
The design described here combines in one device the ability to select any of four appropriate cut-off frequencies on the fly, using a commercial chip from Texas Instruments, which performs the function of video amplifier and selectable filter.
The inputs and outputs of the circuit are also calibrated to the correct impedance of the video signals, and the horizontal and vertical synchronisation signals are buffered for maximum possible stability.
Finally, an option has been included to replace the horizontal synchronisation signal with the composite synchronisation signal, so that Sony PVM-type displays or GBS-C-type converters can be connected.
The switchable frequency lowpass filter show the following figures:
View attachment 2479798
Edit:
There's one here, from a Czech user.
It's not mine, so I can't assure anything about it, but worth a try
(Marked as sold/completed by sampedenawa)
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Added to to the private thread with instructions..
1 Available left (with or without DB23)
Invited you to the dedicated thread with instructions !
Adapters sold out for the moment
Items received, thank you!
Ok, will start a new reservation list
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SpaceFlightorange
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Hello. I already have a v3b of this, but was wondering has anyone produced a case for 3d printing? had a look around here and the GitHub page but not found anything. Thanks
This one was designed by a Czech user, not me.
I did not try it yet, but in case it may worth a try
Declaring interest.View attachment 2479791View attachment 2479792
AMIRGB2VGA ULTIMATE
Reservations (when available):
asking 28€ each plus shipping worldwide (no DB23)
asking 35€ each plus shipping worldwide (with DB23)
AMIRGB2VGA ULTIMATE
is a "revised-revised" RGB to VGA adapter for the Amiga A500-A600-A2000 and A1200-A4000, with unique improvements:
- Fully buffered Composite HSync and VSync signals
- Selectable CSync signal for those lucky guys who own a Sony PVM monitor (or feed a GBS-C converter, etc)
- Impedance matched inputs and outputs
- Fully high quality buffered video signals
- Fully filtered spurious input frequencies: no more vertical bars on LCD screens !
- Four user selectable filter settings: precisely match your display resolution for perfect quality !
- Smaller than the original 390682-01/03 VGA dongle by commodore
User can freely select any of the four low-pass filter profiles, to either match resolutions for maximum clarity and clearness; available profiles are:
- SD -> 9.5Mhz
- ED -> 18Mhz
- HD -> 36Mhz
- FHD -> 72Mhz
THE ISSUE
When connecting an Amiga computer (or in general any computer/console designed to be used with an analogue RGB monitor) to a modern LCD screen with a VGA interface, one can observe the typical 'jail bars', annoying horizontal stripes covering the entire screen.
The VGA input , unlike the scart one, is not bandwidth limited in any way; thus it picks up any spurious noise on the Amiga RGB signals.
More in detail, the basic problem is the VGA monitor: the Amiga video output was designed with CRTs in mind (which was the correct solution at the time); the video bandwidth of those CRTs was something limited to ~10MHz.
Video jailbars artifact are, in the frequency domain, frequency components >28MHz (they come from the fundamental Amiga 28Mhz clock and its higher harmonics) .
Modern VGA/LCD displays, support today video bandwidths of 130MHz and more, so they are able to display these frequency components which take the form of annoying jail bars.
View attachment 2479796
THE SOLUTION
This below is the result of the video filtering and impedance-matching of the adapter:
View attachment 2479797
A practical and effective solution to the issue is to limit the video bandwidth from the source with a proper video amplifier chip with lowpass filter.
The cut-off frequency of the low-pass filter must be correctly calculated in order to eliminate unwanted frequencies, without however compromising the quality and definition of the video information to be displayed.
In the case of the Amiga series computers, it is basically a matter of calibrating the filters for two major cases: OCS/ECS and AGA.
In the first case, filtering calibrated at 9Mhz or 18Mhz is appropriate, while in the second case it is appropriate to increase the bandwidth, filtering around 30Mhz.
The design described here combines in one device the ability to select any of four appropriate cut-off frequencies on the fly, using a commercial chip from Texas Instruments, which performs the function of video amplifier and selectable filter.
The inputs and outputs of the circuit are also calibrated to the correct impedance of the video signals, and the horizontal and vertical synchronisation signals are buffered for maximum possible stability.
Finally, an option has been included to replace the horizontal synchronisation signal with the composite synchronisation signal, so that Sony PVM-type displays or GBS-C-type converters can be connected.
The switchable frequency lowpass filter show the following figures:
View attachment 2479798
Edit:
There's one here, from a Czech user.
It's not mine, so I can't assure anything about it, but worth a try
interested in 1 piece
(Interest marked as expired by sampedenawa)
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| Nick | Reserved | $ | Status | Country |
| andabata | 3 WITH DB23 | RESERVED |  | |
| davide.romanini | 1 WITH DB23 | RESERVED |  |
At the moment I am still gathering reservations; a minimum number of requests is needed before starting a production lot (fixed costs don't make bearable to produce quantities < 15-20 pcs)
At the moment I have enough requests, I will open a dedicated thread with full instructions, and you'll be notified.
Don't know that monitor, but have in mind that the adapter is not a scan doubler; in order to be able to display PAL/NTSC resolutions, your monitor must support 15Khz signals.
A comprehensive list can be found here http://15khz.wikidot.com/
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