Apollo with Mach 130 being upgraded

[cugar124]

Hi Guys
I have read the blog about the A1240 Apollo mach 130 working with 060 chips and to be honest I am confused.

https://www.amibay.com/entry.php?60-Apollo-1260-MACH-130-131-myth-busted!


Can anyone really come up with an answer Stachu would you upgrade one that had 130 chip or even is it possible to say have a socket fitted to test if it works then have the card upgraded if it does or put back if it does not?

Hope you guys have some answers

AL

 

[mjnurney]

its either timing and speeds or programming logic of the AMD mach chip. as a rule of thumb... the 130 will not run a 68060 or so we are led to believe - i will be doing tests on this later.

having said that ....there seem to be some that do , i suspect these may be late revision (newer logic?) or higher speed rated versions.

model numbers may help to pin point why.

mach130-15
mach130-20

All i can say is that i have tried a 130 and it would not boot on the 68060.

mike.

http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0031/0900766b800314c2.pdf

 

[sneeker]

What about using the adapters for warpengines/3640s. I'm sure I read somewhere that they work on apollos with mach130s ?

 

[cugar124]

I had thought about both of these would the guys here start feeding in their ideas I would love to see if the adapter would work but also if we can find a way or even one of the clever programers could figure out which 130's are the later ones. Stachu you may get busy LOL.

Al

 

[slyder]

Hope you guys have some answers

I will try to upgrade the second card as well to verify there's nothing else on the card that may become a blocker issue...

All i can say is that i have tried a 130 and it would not boot on the 68060.

Are you absolutely certain the Apollo card you tried with the mach130 didn't just do the regular "I don't feel like booting up today" thing? This seems to happen to me a lot now that I'm playing around with the mach chips. Then I have to remove the card, press on the mach chips, do some magical cleaning, put the card back in and then it decides to work. I suppose this is why Stachu solders the mach chips directly on the board.


Edit:
One thing to note. Accompanying the mach 130 chip in my test I had the new Freescale MC68060RC60 (manufactured in 2011) that I bought from Stachu. I will test with older 060s when I upgrade the other 1240 card.

 

[slyder]

Yesterday I learned the hard way I shouldn't use the whatchamacallit plying tool with the mach 130 chip. The other end slipped out and brought a piece of the plastic casing with it and made a nice scrape. Luckily the chip is ok but I got a bit of a scare out of that one . Turns out there might not be enough room under the chip for the tool to fit in, it pressed in to the chip from the side.

 

[cugar124]

ouch that looks like to much pressure LOL. Have you figured out what the difference is between the 20-jc and the 15-jc chip is by chance?

 

[slyder]

No idea on the differences between 15/20-jc. If I come across a mach130-20jc chip I will test it

 

[hese]

If we can find a way or even one of the clever programers could figure out which 130's are the later ones.

Unfortunately software-wise it's not possible to detect which MACH chips can handle 68060.

Have you figured out what the difference is between the 20-jc and the 15-jc chip is by chance?

Number defines the speed of the chip, the smaller the faster. So far all Apollo 1260s I've seen have had -15 speed grade MACH chips.

 

[slyder]

Well... Decided to take off the cpu. I was pondering if I should remove the piece of ram socket but decided not to bother. Now I'm left with the somewhat tedious task of vacuuming out all the solder. Might leave that for next week, unless I get a sudden urge to do that tomorrow



Now I've only got two 68060 specific sockets. I think I'll drill the required holes and add pins so that I can slap on a 68040 in case I felt like it...

 

[cugar124]

Just had a mail from Stan he has also upgraded successfully a Mach130 so now its just a matter of trying to find out which ones will run LOL


Just my luck my 1240 has the -20jc chip ahhhh

 

[slyder]

Did Stan mention which mach130 chip it was that he had in the board?

 

[cugar124]

HI He just said it was the Mach 130 so we still need to get a 20j checked

 

[slyder]

Just to inform, I've successfully upgraded the other Apollo card that I purchased on here. I updated the original blog (link: Apollo 1260 MACH 130 / 131 myth busted!).

 

[cugar124]

Not Quite looking at all the A1240's that have been upgraded they are all 15JC chips does not seem to be any of the 20jc ones anyone seen one done successfully

 

[cugar124]

OK Guys finally a picture of an upgraded Mach 130, 20 JC found this on one of the for sale items today

So this finally busts the myth with photo proof all Apollo should be upgradeable. this one looks to have been done a while ago I dont recoginse the power circuit anyone know who did this upgrade?

Kind regards

PS something I noticed the Version of Rom can anyone give a list of versions and what the difference is?


AL

 

[roy_bates]

the regulator board was done by superbonio,its on the board(i think he is member here)

also,the mach 130 thing is not a myth(a myth is something totally untrue) as such(as lots of people could not convert them with a mach 130 on board,including me so its a fact that lots dont),it all depends on how the mach was programed it will be luck if the card works after conversion.as you cant actually read whats on them to find out so most people who had converted one with a mach 130 and not have it work was saying dont bother trying,makes sense really,even if the card still works as a 040 card with the 1260 firmware.(which they do)

having 2-4 people convert them and have them work does not disprove it,it just shows some are programmed differently.(which leaves a percentage of luck open to people willing to try)
a discussion did come up years ago in another forum,were it was also discussed it was how the part was programmed.(this is true)
maybe they did them all the same a few years later maybe to save time in production,who knows?..even thats pure conjecture..even if it does look that way.

easiest way to find out before a conversion is the swap the machs from two cards,one a 040 card and the other 060,or ask someone how has the other.
or..go ahead and take the time to try and convert one with a mach 130 and try your luck.

 

[cugar124]

LOL I see that but who is the guy has anyone else used him for upgrade sorry should have said that :blased:

 

[roy_bates]

LOL I see that but who is the guy has anyone else used him for upgrade sorry should have said that :blased:

the board'maker is irrelevant anyway,its just a regulator to covert 5 volts to 3.3 volts.

there are other people still offering a service to convert these cards if you cant do it yourself,so you wont have to search very hard to find one.
its just a case of opening a wanted thread in services in this forum...

 

[cugar124]

Yeah thats true but would be nice for guys to know who has been upgrading these boards and what the success rate is what versions of bios work with what chips and so on. Then we can make up our minds as to which guy to use or maybe do it ourselves.