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Yeah i think the best feature is that since the new psu will be very light in weight you can easilly take a C64 to a party.....no he seriously said that and i am not joking.
C64 reloaded by Jens
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I usually just hire a weightlifter to carry my original C64 brick to parties. It's actually quite economical to do this.
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Basically after all the negative feedback he got he is going to promise things he wont materialize in the end....
Its never going to be an original and a collector is always going to want to have a working original, so if Jens is going to do it he should add the extras in which people want as a next step/revised C64
i had a think about this vsp "problem",that is actually starting to make people worried about there 20 plus year old machine.
and i don't care for a handful of software i can count on my right hand that might or might not work on my hardware,i suppose that will be my fault.
just like it was my fault i bought a indi mk2 that would not work on my machine after 12 months of zero support.
that apparently works on everyone's machine without problems out of the box.becuase the person that made it said so just like the demo makers.
and yes,i sucked it in and kept on going to the end.and it sat on shelf doing nothing for a very long time.
and i suppose it would be my fault i bought it,of course.hell,if it don't work it must be me.either that or my motherboard,right? or the damn monitor?,yes that must be it.
it cant be the product,its too damn good and fits in with every other piece of hardware i have,oh...it doesn't,damn its all my fault.
so,one or two demo's and a crap game i'll only watch once don't work on my trusty c64 that never fails,its no big deal,it's my fault.i accept it.
and i don't care for a handful of software i can count on my right hand that might or might not work on my hardware,i suppose that will be my fault.
just like it was my fault i bought a indi mk2 that would not work on my machine after 12 months of zero support.
that apparently works on everyone's machine without problems out of the box.becuase the person that made it said so just like the demo makers.
and yes,i sucked it in and kept on going to the end.and it sat on shelf doing nothing for a very long time.
and i suppose it would be my fault i bought it,of course.hell,if it don't work it must be me.either that or my motherboard,right? or the damn monitor?,yes that must be it.
it cant be the product,its too damn good and fits in with every other piece of hardware i have,oh...it doesn't,damn its all my fault.
so,one or two demo's and a crap game i'll only watch once don't work on my trusty c64 that never fails,its no big deal,it's my fault.i accept it.
Yep I not a C64 guy but from what I've read recently this 'VSP issue' is actually very minor. It appears to a rarely used hack to unlock some extra speed out of the chipset and (like most hacks) it won't play nice with all of the different motherboard revisions.
It's cool that Jens is making it work with his new board though and it may mean that this VSP hack is used more often for new games/demos.
Like I mentioned it my early post, Jens is also considering remaking Amiga motherboards...now aren't you guys just a tiny bit excited about that?
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Yep I not a C64 guy but from what I've read recently this 'VSP issue' is actually very minor. It appears to a rarely used hack to unlock some extra speed out of the chipset and (like most hacks) it won't play nice with all of the different motherboard revisions.
IMHO, minor to say the least, I've only got 1 demo and 1 game that I know of that uses it, and neither of my personal two C64s have a problem, we're talking a handful of demos/games out of 1000s.
I wouldn't switch hardware JUST for a VSP fix out of the box.
I am a little bit curious though about the final form of this C64 Reloaded thing, but as I wrote before, I will wait and see.
the thing is, commodore used a lot of variations of vic ii as it evolved through different motherboards over the years in combination with any memory they happen to have at the time,anything from 200ns to 120ns drams.that's too many variables for software that hacks the hardware to go faster on motherboards cherry picked for the job.
another equation is the personal limit of parts on your board,just because it has the same revision and date stamp,wont mean it will automatically work.
even the support logic came from different manufacturers,don't tell me that wont come into play in a 20 plus year old machine that shares it's data path with everything else on the board...
in fact,on some machines people might not even have sound due to being programed for a certain sid revision,im not joking.
don't believe me?, even some older software that don't push the hardware is barely audible on some later sids.
so,yes.i wont be worrying about it too much.
as for new amiga boards,i wouldn't be surprised if your ad-dons hardware you have now will never work on it,and it will only work if its make by that manufacturer.
so, say goodbye to your 030-060 cards scandoublers and anything else that attaches to it,because that's the meaning of backwards evolution,on it's way forward on the path of better hardware.
but,hey.i could be wrong.
another equation is the personal limit of parts on your board,just because it has the same revision and date stamp,wont mean it will automatically work.
even the support logic came from different manufacturers,don't tell me that wont come into play in a 20 plus year old machine that shares it's data path with everything else on the board...
in fact,on some machines people might not even have sound due to being programed for a certain sid revision,im not joking.
don't believe me?, even some older software that don't push the hardware is barely audible on some later sids.
so,yes.i wont be worrying about it too much.
as for new amiga boards,i wouldn't be surprised if your ad-dons hardware you have now will never work on it,and it will only work if its make by that manufacturer.
so, say goodbye to your 030-060 cards scandoublers and anything else that attaches to it,because that's the meaning of backwards evolution,on it's way forward on the path of better hardware.
but,hey.i could be wrong.
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The equivalent Amiga product would be an A1200 motherboard where you have to fit your own CPU and Paula, but it has timing fixes for CPU cards and uses less power. That for €149? I'd probably pass.
i would imagine the amiga version would be alot more than 149 euros.due to it's "complexity"
making it compatible with one or two "good" pieces of hardware has a price tag...
Jeri Ellsworth managed to shoehorn a C64 into a joystick for a lot less than the projected price of this item and the DTV can easily be hacked to support an SD card and a keyboard. Something like the DTV would have been a better basis for a C64 replacement board in a similar way that the Minimig was for the A500.
This replacement of Jens' is an exercise in re-inventing the wheel in my view.
This replacement of Jens' is an exercise in re-inventing the wheel in my view.
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I'm surprised to hear 'reinvention of the wheel' used as a negative when you consider the popularity of the Z80, which was itself a reinvention of the 8080.
All power to Jeri for her incredible achievements, and they are incredible.
However, I disagree with her achievements being held against Jens. They needn't stop him from pursuing his own projects.
What would be wrong with him selling a lamp he made - or a wheel for that matter?
Jens crafted the Grafitti and the Indivision for me. Everything else he make is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
All power to Jeri for her incredible achievements, and they are incredible.
However, I disagree with her achievements being held against Jens. They needn't stop him from pursuing his own projects.
What would be wrong with him selling a lamp he made - or a wheel for that matter?
Jens crafted the Grafitti and the Indivision for me. Everything else he make is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
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well,you can't use a replacement pla and timer in those...
you know,every thing that's made has a reason to exist,this one is no exception.
if it helps to further sales of existing hardware,even better...and don't forget the hand full of demo's that work on it.after the "fixes"
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There is a compounding difference when going from an 8bit SIO processor to a hybrid 8bit data and 16bit address SIO chip - Sadly from my perspective the C64 Reloaded is nothing more than a very expensive C64 Power Supply - it may change with additional features *should they be added* but at the time of writing this in my view - as the product stands - it is a detriment to the C64 scene.
Its not about achievements, simply put - when you want to know the worth of an item you review it, this has many variables and factors that will share some common points with others as well as some personal ones that will also guide one personally.
When comparing products and projects it is only natural to look at comparable instances and see what value one has over the other. To not do this because we like some one is not doing THEM any favours.
Say we designed a product and I put out our concept - If all we have are fanboi's jumping up and down saying how great it is, and poo-baring the rest - this will will be a skewed product at best. It is better to have rational discourse on the product and its aims - arguably price point will Always be a factor and in some cases it may put an awesome product on hold simply because one's price point cannot match the market.
For instance, Say we develop a replacement C64 Motherboard, it comes with Memory but needs a SID chip and CPU, priced it at 45€ this item would be more attractive - however jumping in with arguably as close to 1:1 copy of the C64 motherboard - for what you can easily achieve 4 times over on eBay for an original is really poor business sense and shows no understanding of the market or scene.
The thing is Jens is a smart guy, I suspect he has something up his sleeve to attract customers.
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