I have had it!!!!!!!! No more!!!!!
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dead HDDs are a great source for strong magnets, its where I get all mine from and the platers make great nija throwing disks er I mean drink coasters.
I also find that if the HDDs run over 45c for long periods they are more likely to fail than ones that stay below
I also find that if the HDDs run over 45c for long periods they are more likely to fail than ones that stay below
Google made a nice analysis of why their hard disks fail (based on a huge number of drives in their systems) and regarding to the temperature it is interesting to see that the lowest failure rate happened when the disks have been running between 30-45 deg, with the best reliability at 40 deg. Yes, running at lower than 40 deg. increased the failure rate. The failure rate doesn't really start to increase until around 47 deg.
Read it here:
http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf
See the figure on page 6.
They also look at age, scan errors and so on to see how the various SMART values can be used to accurately predict failures. Some of them correlate, but unfortunately most failed drives did not report any SMART failures at all.
The analysis is 6 years old, but I don't see why things should have changed. SSDs are the exception of course.
That's why I bought the extra Lian-Li HDD bracket 120mm cooler with space for 3 drives, they run 40/42 degrees.
I've often suspected that temperature would play a very major part in disk reliability, but I'd never really looked for any proof. It's really nice to see this.
I personally had assumed they didn't get hot enough for it to impact their life.
I've often suspected that temperature would play a very major part in disk reliability, but I'd never really looked for any proof. It's really nice to see this.
I personally had assumed they didn't get hot enough for it to impact their life.
I've toasted my fingers enough times to know that they can do!
I've often suspected that temperature would play a very major part in disk reliability, but I'd never really looked for any proof. It's really nice to see this.
I personally had assumed they didn't get hot enough for it to impact their life.
I've toasted my fingers enough times to know that they can do!
Kind of embarrassing given I'm A+ certified for IT repairs 
icard, lol.Been a while since I've been in anyones PC but my own though, maybe they're getting hotter.
Well there is no real mention of what they have been using, SATA or SAS, but I guess SATA Enterprise drives.
In chapter 4 you can see some older studies, and if you have a 2-6% replacement rate, then I guess the chances of a failing drive bought new, is quite low.
I wonder what the temps would be for SCA80 drives, as these run insanely hot sometimes.
I don't think these will be around 40 degrees.
In chapter 4 you can see some older studies, and if you have a 2-6% replacement rate, then I guess the chances of a failing drive bought new, is quite low.
I wonder what the temps would be for SCA80 drives, as these run insanely hot sometimes.
I don't think these will be around 40 degrees.
oundfire99
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It's like that sometimes. This stuff is 20+ years old and sadly some of it has had enough.
I'd been doing quite well, hooking Amiga disks inside my PC and using WinUAE to write ClassicWB on to them, but last night's fiasco with an IDE adapter destroying a laptop 40GB disk has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth.
Sometimes the best thing to do is take a break from it, and come back again later when you're ready to try again.
It's taken me literally years to get to where I am with my Amiga projects, and I've still not finished them. I guess that's just the nature of the hobby.
I hope you get things sorted soon! I've been mucking about in OctaMED again recently, it's so much fun!
I am feeling the effect of this too.. Got x2 A500's here with expandable ram on each (500k or whatever it is), and x3 Octamed disks, one is Octamed 3, one is 4 and other is 6 demo... Managed to get 4 working once but all other times it just don't happen! I feel your pain, but know it's worth the battle in the end.
Sinphaltimus
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I've found that the freeware version of Octamed Soundstudio is very easy to use (once you've read the docs a bit). It's super simple to setup but I think it requires an HDD installation. What makes it so easy is that it no longer depends on assign statements or other disks.
http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/OctamedSS1.03c
so if you have a hard disk or other mass storage solution connected to your A500, I recommend going with this version and instal.
http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/OctamedSS1.03c
so if you have a hard disk or other mass storage solution connected to your A500, I recommend going with this version and instal.
I feel the OP here and will tell you that you are right, enough s enough!
This is how I do retro computing:
C64 - Power up monitor, power up computer, enjoy for hours, repeat.
Amiga - Power up monitor. Wait the monitor power button has broken. Gotta stick it in place with tape. Alright now the Amiga. Oh it gurues on boot wtf... somehow the RAM epansion needs reseating. Alright, now again... it doesnt find teh CF card inside... what the hell... reseating it.... ok try again... now it booted to workbench, let me open a shell, left-Amiga+E.. nothing.. wait... oh, my membrane doesn't work.... ETCETERA. Maybe next tiem it won't work. Sometimes software just crashes randomly. It's just PAIN.
At least with A1200 and A600 (and a LOT more with A600, I see it as teh OP, it is definitely more unreliable, especially the ****ing keyboard membrane), this is always the case. EVERY TIME I power up an Amiga there's SOME ISSUE OR OTHER.
I about have had it with the real hardware after owning several units for 25+ years. i'm definitely not an Amiga n00b, it's just that these machines are garbage.
I love the Amiga but I also quite had enough. I'm sticking to my C64.
On the Amiga most of the money I spend is repairing it. On the C64 all the money I spend is upgrading it!!!
The fact that Amiga hardware keeps going up in price does not help, it's like people who own Amiga stuff and want to sell it think it's made out of gold.
So is the C64 stuff, actually older, and I find that C64 stuff is 65783216789321678% more reliable than Amiga stuff!It's like that sometimes. This stuff is 20+ years old and sadly some of it has had enough.
This is how I do retro computing:
C64 - Power up monitor, power up computer, enjoy for hours, repeat.
Amiga - Power up monitor. Wait the monitor power button has broken. Gotta stick it in place with tape. Alright now the Amiga. Oh it gurues on boot wtf... somehow the RAM epansion needs reseating. Alright, now again... it doesnt find teh CF card inside... what the hell... reseating it.... ok try again... now it booted to workbench, let me open a shell, left-Amiga+E.. nothing.. wait... oh, my membrane doesn't work.... ETCETERA. Maybe next tiem it won't work. Sometimes software just crashes randomly. It's just PAIN.
At least with A1200 and A600 (and a LOT more with A600, I see it as teh OP, it is definitely more unreliable, especially the ****ing keyboard membrane), this is always the case. EVERY TIME I power up an Amiga there's SOME ISSUE OR OTHER.
I about have had it with the real hardware after owning several units for 25+ years. i'm definitely not an Amiga n00b, it's just that these machines are garbage.
I love the Amiga but I also quite had enough. I'm sticking to my C64.
On the Amiga most of the money I spend is repairing it. On the C64 all the money I spend is upgrading it!!!
The fact that Amiga hardware keeps going up in price does not help, it's like people who own Amiga stuff and want to sell it think it's made out of gold.
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stephenfalken
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Hey I get that its frustrating when things don't work straight away. We live in a world where we have everything at our fingertips in an instance, which makes us forget the woes we had when computing was actually a hobby.
But there are a few thing to consider though (and I'm not having a go, btw)
As above.
What I will say is that I have more random crashed using so-called 'modern' Amiga upgrades which are more of the open-source or otherwise low cost addons. All my hardware which uses original classic Amiga accessories are rock solid and only ever crash when I try to do something which I shouldn't (such as using the wrong libs/devs etc)
Never had the problem with the keyboard membrane, but I have never owned an A600 so maybe they were cheaper/poorer quality.
I'm also a C64 addict - so much so in fact that I developed an new SD card accessory for the C64 as part of my final university project (yes, as a mature student ) which I passed with first class honours, so I literally have the C64 to thank for my current career.
That said, over the years I have had to replace more C64 PLAs, CIAs, SIDs, RAM and ROM chips than any Amiga part... and the less said about the C64 PSU, the better!
Regardless, I find these posts interesting to read. Please don't interpret this as having a dig or jumping to the defence of the Amiga.. but just try and have patience and you will love the machine so much more, hopefully for many more years to come!
Regards
But there are a few thing to consider though (and I'm not having a go, btw)
The Amiga is a lot more complicated than the C64 too. Generally more complex means more things to go wrong, having said that all of my Amiga stuff works as it was supposed to most of the time. If it doesn't it's usually due to something that could have occurred even 30 years ago when the machines were a modern marvel.
Poor design on the monitor part - but every single button or switch has a limited number of transitions, and after 30 years it's likely that the limit has been reached, and i'd bet that the number of transitions it survived was higher than it's specification.
In all my years of Amiga computing I have never needed to re-seat a card. The only times I would ever imaging that would happen would be if I had moved the machine around a lot and the cards weren't a particularly snug fit.
As above.
Sounds more like unreliable software or hardware.
What I will say is that I have more random crashed using so-called 'modern' Amiga upgrades which are more of the open-source or otherwise low cost addons. All my hardware which uses original classic Amiga accessories are rock solid and only ever crash when I try to do something which I shouldn't (such as using the wrong libs/devs etc)
Never had the problem with the keyboard membrane, but I have never owned an A600 so maybe they were cheaper/poorer quality.
I'm also a C64 addict - so much so in fact that I developed an new SD card accessory for the C64 as part of my final university project (yes, as a mature student
) which I passed with first class honours, so I literally have the C64 to thank for my current career.That said, over the years I have had to replace more C64 PLAs, CIAs, SIDs, RAM and ROM chips than any Amiga part... and the less said about the C64 PSU, the better!
True, but the fewer that are available, the more prices will continue to rise, and it will happen with the C64 too - but slower as there are probably way more in circulation than Amiga's.
Regardless, I find these posts interesting to read. Please don't interpret this as having a dig or jumping to the defence of the Amiga.. but just try and have patience and you will love the machine so much more, hopefully for many more years to come!
Regards
I don't get how you complain about the monitor power button since it is usually the same monitor which is used for both Amiga and C64?
I have rarely had any issues with any of my Amigas. They always power up just as they did last time they were used. One time I have had that I needed to reseat an IDE+RAM card which was installed in the CPU socket in my 500+ after taking it to an Amiga meet, but I can't think of any other times where any of my Amigas have failed on me.
I definitely do not agree that Amigas are garbage. The fact that so many are still running after 25 years is a testament to their quality. They did not need to last more than 4-5 years as then most people would have replaced them with other machines. Yes, the C64 is older, but there are also enormous amounts of C64s which have died over the years. They were just sold in such vast numbers that you can still find many working ones.
Regarding prices, it is not the sellers you should complain about. Why should a seller sell an item for x if he could sell it for 2*x? It would be stupid not to get as much as you can, so you should complain about the buyers who are accepting to pay those increasing prices.
if my monitor dies i fix it and carry on ,if my c64 dies i fix it and carry on,if my amiga dies i fix it and carry on
that goes for any of my equipment thats over 25 years old ,its not going to keep on working,its just how long it lasts before failure
i just enjoy it for the amount of time i have it,no tears wept
that goes for any of my equipment thats over 25 years old ,its not going to keep on working,its just how long it lasts before failure
i just enjoy it for the amount of time i have it,no tears wept
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Could this be more or less specific to Amiga 1200/4000 series of machines?
One thing I loved about the Amiga 3000 I purchased back in 1993 is nothing could possibly kill it. Yes, it had a few issues here in there such as the switches in the floppy drive requiring a clean up, perhaps cleaning the contacts on the keyboard and DB-9 joystick/mouse ports but nothing serious.
I had to sell it in the spring of 2016 and it still worked pretty much like new... at 23 years old!!
The Amiga 1200/4000/4000T use a different type of technology more similar to 1990s PCs and well, it's more fragile I suppose.
One thing I loved about the Amiga 3000 I purchased back in 1993 is nothing could possibly kill it. Yes, it had a few issues here in there such as the switches in the floppy drive requiring a clean up, perhaps cleaning the contacts on the keyboard and DB-9 joystick/mouse ports but nothing serious.
I had to sell it in the spring of 2016 and it still worked pretty much like new... at 23 years old!!
The Amiga 1200/4000/4000T use a different type of technology more similar to 1990s PCs and well, it's more fragile I suppose.
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