Implications of Brexit

  • Thread starter Thread starter protek
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 391
  • Views Views 13434
Status
Not open for further replies.
The problem is that the current (and future) construct looks more like living in the same house, sharing all the bills, sharing all the food (which is bought my majority decision), watching the same TV programmes (again by majority decision) etc....

Isn't that normal if you are part of an Union, or are you suggesting that certain members should have more power than others?

You have EU regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations, opinions, etc... each legally or not binding. This basically gives each member state a lot of room to "interpret" certain decisions.
 
One lesson from history is this; all empires come to an end. It didn't matter if it was the Ottoman, Roman, Greek, the British empire or the Axis in WW2. All of them came to an end and the EU 'experiment' will be no different. The Euro is in a very difficult place in terms of financial stability and the UK referendum has shown that another alternative could be available to EU states if they chose to vote for it. If the EU were to try and outlaw future referenda of this type then that would spell the end.

I suspect that the UK will stay in, but the huge vested interest of the big 4 US banks has me concerned about TTIP massively. The cabal at the top of the EU that were elected by heads of state (not the EU people) also worry me greatly as they are removed from reality.
 
Yes that is normal for a union. The problem is that the UK population didn't ever agree to join such a union. And being awkward and stubborn and as they don't have quite such a strong urge to be European as the mainland countries do, they are stamping their feet a bit.

Sent from my S7 Edge
 
I smell EU agent Amon_g us but who is it ??? :lol:
 
Last edited:
That would be me for one EU is the only way forward but TURKEY must never ever be allowed to join the implications dont bare thinking about. Long live the EU
 
Turkey has the EU by the short and curlies due to the immigration issue. Hence they have had to be bought off with their current deal. All they have to do is reopen that route and the pressure on southern Europe ratchets up again...

Sent from my S7 Edge
 
I see Cameron is so sure that turkey won't join that he refused repeatedly to say he would use our veto....what is he saying to the EU and Turkey I wonder..

Sent from my S7 Edge
 
One lesson from history is this; all empires come to an end. It didn't matter if it was the Ottoman, Roman, Greek, the British empire or the Axis in WW2. All of them came to an end and the EU 'experiment' will be no different. The Euro is in a very difficult place in terms of financial stability and the UK referendum has shown that another alternative could be available to EU states if they chose to vote for it. If the EU were to try and outlaw future referenda of this type then that would spell the end.

I suspect that the UK will stay in, but the huge vested interest of the big 4 US banks has me concerned about TTIP massively. The cabal at the top of the EU that were elected by heads of state (not the EU people) also worry me greatly as they are removed from reality.

Couldn't of put it better myself. When the vote goes with remain (and it will) it will send a clear message to the establishment: Please do whatever you like, we won't stop you - And with TTIP, the neo liberals certainly will.





- - - Updated - - -

I see Cameron is so sure that turkey won't join that he refused repeatedly to say he would use our veto....what is he saying to the EU and Turkey I wonder..

Sent from my S7 Edge

Although he won't admit it now, Camoron has said on several occasions that he supports Turkey's membership of the EU. Here's one of them.
 
Last edited:
Yes that is normal for a union. The problem is that the UK population didn't ever agree to join such a union. And being awkward and stubborn and as they don't have quite such a strong urge to be European as the mainland countries do, they are stamping their feet a bit.

Sent from my S7 Edge
The UK already had a referendum in 1975 where 66% voted in... You also elected your own PM (Edward Heath) who took the UK in back in 1973. I really don't see how you can say that the British people didn't ever agree...
 
We voted to join a trading area. I am sure we would quite happily vote to stay in that as well. The EU of today is very different.
A number of our governments have agreed changes without the support of population and it would appear lied outright as to what they were signing up to. Part of the drive to vote out is that voting in is a blank cheque as we won't get another say for many many years.


Sent from my S7 Edge
 
Now we know you are either just trolling or you have a massive blindfold on with earmuffs too.
The UK never voted for a European Union back in the 1970's, it voted for a common market, (the EEC). There is a massive difference!
If you have been following the news as much as you make out, you will have seen that the majority of the people that voted for the common market are now pledging to vote leave of the EU.
What started as a good idea and was generally liked/workable (EEC), has become something very inedible and to some even threatening!
 
Sorry that I've worded much of this so badly and probably offended half (or more) of the members here. Everything over here has to be so politically correct these days and I'm just too old to have learned "the right" way to talk about things like this. I apologize in advance to everyone. Definitely no smiley there, I'm truly sorry that I haven't put this better.

I'm just an ignorant American but I've always found the EU to be a curious concept. The idea of all of Europe being a complete, true union always seemed like something that sounds like a nice ideal but in practice something that would be impossible or at least very difficult to actually achieve.

In comparison, the US is a very young country and, while there are certainly some regional variations, is fairly homogeneous. Sure there's always been immigrants - except for the relatively small remaining native population who immigrated MUCH earlier than Europeans - but after a few generations, they generally melt into the general "type" (that's a bad word choice but I don't know what would be better but hopefully you get the idea), adding a bit of their own particular "spice" to the mix. (Gosh what a run on sentence!)

Europe, on the other hand, is very old with some very strong regional identities. Those regions have a long, long history of not always being friendly with one another. Heck, they've had centuries of warring with one another. The last century had some of the most brutal and divisive conflicts. I honestly don't understand how some of the countries manage to be even civil with one another. How can the French like the Germans, for example, after the 20th Century? My father lived under German occupation and even after all this time has no intention of forgiving or forgetting after his sister was raped and killed. That's one person's experience of one conflict. There's millions of individuals with similar experiences in Europe, some with generations of such experiences.

There are countries with strong, vibrant and resilient economies (England and Germany for example) and others that are, to be generous, are broken (Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy). The strong ones getting taxed to support the broken with the broken sometimes seeming to not do anything to improve as long as the strong continue to bail them out. I would think that would be a source of strong resentment.

Conflicts and economies aside, the countries of Europe have just had centuries to develop strong national identities, sometimes quite different from even their next door neighbor. How could anyone realistically expect them to all come together into one, big, happy family? Even in a few decades, it seems like an unreasonable expectation. Throw in religion and the turmoils from the recent immigrants (from this side it sometimes looks like invaders) from the Middle East and I don't see how ANYbody gets along over there.

I know that is grossly simplified and I certainly don't understand all of the issues at all but it always seemed to me that it was naive to expect something like this to work - especially so soon after WWI & WWII.

I don't know, like I said, I'm just an ignorant American from a young upstart and sometimes pretty arrogant country :) It's probably me that is naive.
 
People were conned into joining what for us was supposed to be an agreement on trade but have realised it has become all about Germany taking control of Europe by another means. We do not want that and Germany has no right to think it can control states. Poland has suffered again because of them with the Germans buying then destroying its industry. I have lived in germany for 7 years and do love the country but im English and wish to stay that way. My wish is to see the wasters in our parliament changed and a new breed brought in that will force the EU reform and refuse to pay a penny until the hold Germany has over other states is broken then a new agreement drawn up which gives equal power to all states then a 15 year period for all states to come upto standard before talk of any other states coming into the group. BUT im realistic out we loss any chance of change just isolation. But the more i see Germans telling us what to do and the disgusting Americans the more i think OUT might be right for us. Sorry guys but the EU must change completly my girlfriend is polish and I want her country to be given full opportunity to grow not be subjugated to German rule.

Sent from my LG-H815 using Tapatalk
 
I should add that what I wrote above is NOT how I personally feel about any European. My father may have his feelings based on his experiences and the rest is assumptions (probably wrong as many usually are) from what I read. Other than traveling to Nova Scotia, I've never been out of the US since childhood so have no direct experience to form any true opinion. My only experience and interactions with Europeans has been here. Based on you guys, as far as I can tell, if you're even remotely representative of Europeans, they must be good people.

Dang it, I read over what I wrote and it sounds so ignorant and offensive. I don't know the right way to phrase any of this and I don't mean to be offensive and patronizing. I just don't know how to ask how anyone besides the politicians thought that this process was going to be a lovey dovey journey, landing in bed of roses without hitting some thorns along the way. How do ask questions like this without sounding like a snot or a jerk?

I want to just delete what I wrote :(
 
Last edited:
Now we know you are either just trolling or you have a massive blindfold on with earmuffs too.
The UK never voted for a European Union back in the 1970's, it voted for a common market, (the EEC). There is a massive difference!
If you have been following the news as much as you make out, you will have seen that the majority of the people that voted for the common market are now pledging to vote leave of the EU.
What started as a good idea and was generally liked/workable (EEC), has become something very inedible and to some even threatening!
I assume you are replying to me? ;)
So... the political leaders of the UK who decided to join EU where not elected by the British people? Was the UK forced to join by a UK dictatorship? How exactly did that work?
 
sorry Pgovotsos I served with the 24 MEU (2004) US Marines in Iraq and the 101 (1990) in Kuwait they are good people, but by disgusting I mean the elite in power in the US which keeps wars going dictators in power who they then try to destroy when they think for themselves and then destabilize whole regions whilst pumping the oil out of Iraq into Kuwait and filling the Elites pocket with stolen oil. Had the US not forced France and the UK to back of in the seuz canal then armed the Jewish forces in Palestine then just to add insult to injury armed and equipped Saddam how would the middle east look today maybe peaceful! Mind you no cheap oil for the US.
I have to wonder as well if the elite in the US are behind a lot of the EU's problems some of the countries we admitted to the EU offer nothing to it but they offer the US forward bases for warmongering with Russia the EU needs to remove the US influence and make its own way forward or we end up like the US with some states super rich whilst others funny enough normally the black ones or the southern ones left broke does it remind you of east west EU split with Germany playing the part of Washington in the EU. BUT all that being said Most working Class people in the US are wonderful people but just like working people in the EU have no chance of making any difference so just work and play with indifference to the powers that be which is just what the elite want. Lets see how the vote goes but don't be surprised when its stay as the young have been influenced by media outlets because they cant remember the days before TV and Internet. Not sure if its true but Merkel has just bought a ranch in the US as well just to add to the nightmare that is her. Funny how women in power cause so many to question themselves I am thinking of Maggie here in the UK.

Amon_RA

I see what you are saying but we are locked into a two party system which is not far from a dictatorship I am 45 now and all I remember is the Tories banging on and on and on about Europe and how demonic it is whilst the Nightmare that is Labour these days goes on and on about handing over our country totally to Europe to do with as it wants. Blair did everything in his power to give everything he could to Europe. Not once were we allowed to vote plus with the Gay vote here in the UK "which we were not allowed"Cameron took it on himself to decide our future because he was to much of a coward to allow us to have our say thus putting the question and the opposition to bed once and for all like Ireland did. They the People voted in Ireland they are now getting on with day to day stuff instead of being drawn away by the rainbow project and its warped ideas. I use this as an example because it shows how the UK has become a nanny state and a small d Dictatorship. Also the two parties up until last year were controlled by a small group of people from the same schools with the same idea's. one of the things that stands out most is Cameron with Im a Feminist tee shirt on this the man that is allowing Shari Law in the big city's because its easier than combating the evil that is Shari Law in its current form.

Sorry for the rant guys
 
Last edited:
speaking of the US...consider for a moment the upcoming presidential election...where the choices will no doubt be Hillary Clinton, who is little more than a corporate/wall street shill herself....and Donald Trump...who in fact IS a corporation...

I cannot....for the life of me...think of a better scenario if you wanted to make "The Hunger Games" actually come true...

I, for one will be tuning in to "The Running Man" game show, while sipping my Cadre Cola

btw, I also hugely recommend watching the Eddie Murphy comedy "The Distinguished Gentleman", so near the truth its scary...
 
Last edited:
I should add that what I wrote above is NOT how I personally feel about any European. My father may have his feelings based on his experiences and the rest is assumptions (probably wrong as many usually are) from what I read. Other than traveling to Nova Scotia, I've never been out of the US since childhood so have no direct experience to form any true opinion. My only experience and interactions with Europeans has been here. Based on you guys, as far as I can tell, if you're even remotely representative of Europeans, they must be good people.

Dang it, I read over what I wrote and it sounds so ignorant and offensive. I don't know the right way to phrase any of this and I don't mean to be offensive and patronizing. I just don't know how to ask how anyone besides the politicians thought that this process was going to be a lovey dovey journey, landing in bed of roses without hitting some thorns along the way. How do ask questions like this without sounding like a snot or a jerk?

I want to just delete what I wrote :(

No need to apologise for having an opinion my friend! As the old saying goes, "I may not agree with you but I'll defend, to the death, your right to say it".
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom