iPhone 5 out

[80sFREAK]

Now i know, why couple weeks ago SoftBank did massive promo of 4th gen, even allowed trade-in's "wow! l@@k! must have" LOL

P.S. please, don't talk about beans... I miss'em

 

[Phipscube]

Don't you get beans over there?

They actually sell Heinz Baked Beans here in DK! Lots of other things I miss, but BEANS! no problem

Sorry

Back OT

 

[AndyLandy]

So, how does Android magically solve that problem, yet iPhone can't?

As far as i'm aware its not an issue with Android. Software isn't resolution specific like iOS. Don't quote me on it, but i've never seen a problem of borders in apps on any Android phone no matter what the res. Its more complicated to make software work across the board on Android whereas iOS developers are stuck with specific specs (which actually alot of programmers prefer and hence why it has most software) and because of this, such limits as fixed aspect appear when apple upgrade thier devices (as was seen when ipad first came out).

Ahh, right, gotcha. It's because Android devices might be of any screen size or resolution (much like PC monitors), so software is display-device-agnostic. Fair point.

 

[Harrison]

I hope when I buy a new phone next month (most likely Samsung S3, but who knows! Android market is moving so fast) I don't get some 4.8" screen and have to put up with "3.5 content... oh wait, its Android, no problem!

So, how does Android magically solve that problem, yet iPhone can't?

As far as i'm aware its not an issue with Android. Software isn't resolution specific like iOS. Don't quote me on it, but i've never seen a problem of borders in apps on any Android phone no matter what the res. Its more complicated to make software work across the board on Android whereas iOS developers are stuck with specific specs (which actually alot of programmers prefer and hence why it has most software) and because of this, such limits as fixed aspect appear when apple upgrade thier devices (as was seen when ipad first came out).

Fixed platforms have pros and cons. A fixed platform like the iPhone, and also like current consoles and even back to the days of the Amiga, meant that developers know what they are coding for and can develop their software in the knowledge that all users will have the same hardware and won't have issues. The issue however is as has happened now when the hardware is updated and the specs get changed. That software developed for the older hardware is suddenly not 100% compatible and compromises are needed. It can also cause more issues because coders are often a bit naughty to squeeze a little extra from their software performance by doing coding tricks to bypass the OS and directly tap into the hardware. This then causes many more issues when the hardware changes... as we witnessed greatly when the Amiga A1200 was released and a lot of A500 was exposed as not being coded to C= guidelines, but bashed the hardware directly.

In contrast the huge plus of an OS that can run on multiple platforms like Android or Windows is that the developers have to code to the OS standards and cannot rely on knowing what the hardware is it will be running on. This makes it much more portable and easier to run on multiple hardware configurations. The con with this is that developers have to be more conservative with their approach to coding as they can't guarantee the power the hardware will have to run their code. The alternative is to target just the models of hardware they know are at a level capable of running what they intend, but then face fragmenting and frustrating the userbase. This has happened recently with Sky's SkyGo app.

 

[Snoozy]

so the iPhone 5 will have 4G capability, does this mean that rather than having a monthly 1gb data limit that 2gb is advisable?

I know its totally dependent on phone use and page content but say average web use: 1-2 hours use with some youtube here and there. I think 1gb would be ok for 3G use in that scenario but not sure about 4G.

(Orange are bringing 4G on-line in next few months)

Also can the iPad 3 link to the iPhone 5 to use the 4G capability as my wifi connection on my iPad is a bit choppy (i think my annoying neighbours fault)icard How do i scramble his wifi signal?

 

[Ed.D]

Also can the iPad 3 link to the iPhone 5 to use the 4G capability as my wifi connection on my iPad is a bit choppy (i think my annoying neighbours fault)icard How do i scramble his wifi signal?

Snoozy, are you able to change the channel that your wifi operates on? This can overcome some interference apparently.

 

[Snoozy]

Also can the iPad 3 link to the iPhone 5 to use the 4G capability as my wifi connection on my iPad is a bit choppy (i think my annoying neighbours fault)icard How do i scramble his wifi signal?

Snoozy, are you able to change the channel that your wifi operates on? This can overcome some interference apparently.

yes, i'm always channel hopping between channel 1, 6 and 11

I used a program to see how many wifi connections in the area and it read like a long listicard

Also, why is the UK stand alone price of the phone £649 and US stand alone price $649. Are Apple bright enough to know the exchange rate is around £1: $1.6, or is it another attempt to fleece the UK

 

[Paul_s]

£650 for a mobile phone! You're joking!! and the marketing to go with it as well.

I'm bagging a Sony Xperia with orange this month. Cost = £15 a month (including the phone for free).

Let's do some math: £360 over 24 month contract and with the money saved I can buy a load of profiterole cakes and look way cooler with chocolate sauce round my mouth!11!!!!!111!

 

[iainjh]

a 4 or 4s does all i want it to. But my iphone 4's home button is dead!

I'll send it off for a repair, someone a bit cheaper than apple (not doing it myself) and will eventually have a perfectly good phone for my wife or to pass on

so just ordered am unlocked 4S from apple, plus quidco and the usual credit card cashback

it'll do the nice new maps and turn-by-turn, I think the 4 /4s is something of a sweetspot right now.

and... three network, £10 a month? feels pretty good to stay a generation or two behind the bleeding edge

plus its cheaper!

 

[Harrison]

so the iPhone 5 will have 4G capability, does this mean that rather than having a monthly 1gb data limit that 2gb is advisable?

I know its totally dependent on phone use and page content but say average web use: 1-2 hours use with some youtube here and there. I think 1gb would be ok for 3G use in that scenario but not sure about 4G.

If you are accessing the same data/content then you won't use any more bandwidth than you currently do. All 4G will do is provide a faster connection, so streaming content shouldn't stutter or have issues, and you can access things faster that need a constant data connection, such as map apps.

However, I really wish broadband and mobile network operators would put an end to capping connections. They are only doing this because their networks are saturated and they can't cope with the level of demand, so they restrict data allowances to their customers to try and restrict their access. The whole point of 4G was meant to put an end to this and therefore bandwidth caps are not needed.

Also, afaik 4G in the UK is using the old analogue TV frequencies. Is that correct? If so then that range gets though buildings and other world furniture, so should mean we will get a much better reception in supporting areas. 3G by contrast uses a frequency range that is rubbish at getting through obstacles. I'm with THREE, whom as a network are good, but they rely on the more recently sold 3G frequencies only and reception can be rubbish. In contrast O2 and Vodafone have 2G frequencies to also utilise so normally have wider coverage. Hopefully 4G will deliver on this promise and fix bad reception.

 

[Snoozy]

so the iPhone 5 will have 4G capability, does this mean that rather than having a monthly 1gb data limit that 2gb is advisable?

I know its totally dependent on phone use and page content but say average web use: 1-2 hours use with some youtube here and there. I think 1gb would be ok for 3G use in that scenario but not sure about 4G.

If you are accessing the same data/content then you won't use any more bandwidth than you currently do. All 4G will do is provide a faster connection, so streaming content shouldn't stutter or have issues, and you can access things faster that need a constant data connection, such as map apps.

However, I really wish broadband and mobile network operators would put an end to capping connections. They are only doing this because their networks are saturated and they can't cope with the level of demand, so they restrict data allowances to their customers to try and restrict their access. The whole point of 4G was meant to put an end to this and therefore bandwidth caps are not needed.

Also, afaik 4G in the UK is using the old analogue TV frequencies. Is that correct? If so then that range gets though buildings and other world furniture, so should mean we will get a much better reception in supporting areas. 3G by contrast uses a frequency range that is rubbish at getting through obstacles. I'm with THREE, whom as a network are good, but they rely on the more recently sold 3G frequencies only and reception can be rubbish. In contrast O2 and Vodafone have 2G frequencies to also utilise so normally have wider coverage. Hopefully 4G will deliver on this promise and fix bad reception.

i spoke to orange yesterday morning who said similar to what you said here, harrison. So i went with the £36/month 1gb data and £109 upfront phone cost, i get 15% orange loyalty discount, so it ends up being just over £30/month.

I still don't understand why the standalone price for the 16gb phone in USA is $649 and the standalone price in UK for equivalent is £529, when according to exchange rates it should be £399. Disgraceful profiteering by apple that no doubt have a knock on effect on UK iPhone 5 monthly plans.

I don't know what deals our euro colleagues are being offered but wouldn't be surprised if they are getting ripped off as well

 

[moijk]

I still don't understand why the standalone price for the 16gb phone in USA is $649 and the standalone price in UK for equivalent is £529, when according to exchange rates it should be £399. Disgraceful profiteering by apple that no doubt have a knock on effect on UK iPhone 5 monthly plans.

Agree, but here in norway at least there are way better consumer rights than in US. And Apple is not the only one to transfer USA prices to Europeeian prices with a fork on the valuta converter. Americans complain about the 1000 USD price on the current camera I have. I didn't complain on the 1800 USD price it had here. granted, 25% vat adds some but still there is a lot of "euro tax".

and our beloved Commodore almost neglected their own marked because of the more profitable euro marked. Not that commodore is a measurement for anything good and honest in economy.

 

[AndyLandy]

i spoke to orange yesterday morning who said similar to what you said here, harrison. So i went with the £36/month 1gb data and £109 upfront phone cost, i get 15% orange loyalty discount, so it ends up being just over £30/month.

The only thing to bear in mind is that with increased data speeds, you may find you either make more use of it, or extend your usage. If the web is faster and more reliable on your new phone, you might use it more. If you have higher bandwidth, you might start streaming higher resolutions and bitrates of audio and video.

 

[Merlin]

I'll just drop this in here for Andy.....

 

[cugar124]

Have got to laugh

Have got to laugh

HI Guys
Just read some of the comments and enjoyed the info, thanks for confirming why I will never buy Apple LOL once my contract ends its a new HTC for me. Got quite a while to go yet but I am thinking after Christmas that the new phones will be cheaper again LOL.

P.S

As for us paying more in the UK get used to it just like fuel prices we have absolutely no choice unless you know a way to get rid of every political party in the country and the lunatics that are our MP's LOL oh

AL

 

[iainjh]

are you sure the US price inc taxes? I can only quote for Canada as with Atlantic Canada's 15% HST vs our UK 20% VAT there's not much in it:

$CAN 699 Plus 15% tax (yes varies by province) =$803.85

[perfect] exchange rate 1.58 equiv in £GBP.. = £508.77

£GBP inc 20% VAT = £529

anyway fyi as I did the sums, here they are.. I've not considered equiv earning rates or sizes of economies or varying tax rates or locale, or free delivery etc etc so this is no argument of any kind, but just an observation; my personal observations over past 20 years working /living in UK, USA and Canada would be yes in the past rip-off Britain was alive and well but nowadays the gap may not be anywhere near as much as it was.

on some things in fact we have found now back in the UK how cheap food/milk/clothes/postage is here soo...

anyway, its still a shed load of money for any of these level of phones!

 

[Snoozy]

are you sure the US price inc taxes? I can only quote for Canada as with Atlantic Canada's 15% HST vs our UK 20% VAT there's not much in it:

$CAN 699 Plus 15% tax (yes varies by province) =$803.85

[perfect] exchange rate 1.58 equiv in £GBP.. = £508.77

£GBP inc 20% VAT = £529

anyway fyi as I did the sums, here they are.. I've not considered equiv earning rates or sizes of economies or varying tax rates or locale, or free delivery etc etc so this is no argument of any kind, but just an observation; my personal observations over past 20 years working /living in UK, USA and Canada would be yes in the past rip-off Britain was alive and well but nowadays the gap may not be anywhere near as much as it was.

on some things in fact we have found now back in the UK how cheap food/milk/clothes/postage is here soo...

anyway, its still a shed load of money for any of these level of phones!

I was simply comparing apples US website to apple UK website so I was comparing apples with apples.

I have no idea about canada but thought their currency may be over-valued at present as I thought £1 used to equal $2.2 canadian dollars, so am not sure how valid the canadian comparison is. Their interest rates are 0.5% above us, if we increased our interest rate to 0.5% above theirs (ie 1.5%) we would no doubt go back to £1 to $2.2 CDN. Which would make the canadian 16gb iPhone 5 around £390.

I think maybe i was skating on thin ice with all this price discussion :shhh:

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i spoke to orange yesterday morning who said similar to what you said here, harrison. So i went with the £36/month 1gb data and £109 upfront phone cost, i get 15% orange loyalty discount, so it ends up being just over £30/month.

The only thing to bear in mind is that with increased data speeds, you may find you either make more use of it, or extend your usage. If the web is faster and more reliable on your new phone, you might use it more. If you have higher bandwidth, you might start streaming higher resolutions and bitrates of audio and video.

orange tell me i only use around 30mb/month on my cackberry pearl

so i hope 1gb will be enough for me.

blackberry - never again

 

[Snoozy]

Well i got my iphone5 on friday. Even though i told orange black they sent me white icard. The whole returns process was upto 2 weeks, and i just had the feeling that since this had gone wrong, if i send it back something else is going to go wrong. I went in to the orange shop to see if they could do a straight swap for black and it was just rammed with people who wanted an iphone5 but hadn't the faintest notion how to use, insert sim etc, chaos icard. The sales rep said they only had iphones in stock to fulfill customer pre-orders. So i'll keep it in white.

But it doesn't make much difference as it goes in this case which i ordered in advance http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0098IWNNC/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00

(good case for the price)


The phone itself is a league or two better than my blackberry, orange tell me that blackberry are falling apart

So far i've bought sonic and dizzy prince of yolkfolk

 

[Phipscube]

What do you think to the new maps in iOS 6? **snigger**

Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk 2

 

[Snoozy]

What do you think to the new maps in iOS 6? **snigger**

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the maps feature is excellent, i doubt there is much sniggering you can do with a sony-erricson phone