Closed looking for poseidon 3.4 for spider usb controller
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I also have the old Spider. I believed it was definitly useless crap. I have been screwed by a Swiss amiga shop that sold me the board deliberatly without the key as i didn't know by the time it was useless. If someone has the software to use it, i am most interested.
rkauer
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Without the keyfile (which is near impossible to obtain) the Poseidon software will only work for a few seconds and then shutdown.
Asking for a "copy" of the keyfile is piracy: only way to grab one is buying someone's else license/hardware+license, but since it become a rare event prices will skyrocket.
Ozkano is doing the right thing, hope you get it, mate.
Unfortunately the Anaiis USB stack don't work on Mediators.
The Spider II never had a Poseidon license, as far as I know. Or I am wrong?
Asking for a "copy" of the keyfile is piracy: only way to grab one is buying someone's else license/hardware+license, but since it become a rare event prices will skyrocket.
Ozkano is doing the right thing, hope you get it, mate.
Unfortunately the Anaiis USB stack don't work on Mediators.
The Spider II never had a Poseidon license, as far as I know. Or I am wrong?
Poseidon 3.4 (01-Nov-06)
Poseidon 3.4 (01-Nov-06)
This has been bugging me for weeks. I just found V3.4 on my hard drive & it was where it shouldn't have been.
See attachment.
Kin
Poseidon 3.4 (01-Nov-06)
This has been bugging me for weeks. I just found V3.4 on my hard drive & it was where it shouldn't have been.
See attachment.
Kin
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AndyLandy
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These are called 'version numbers' -- What happens is that when some software is changed or upgraded, the number gets larger. You'll probably find that 3.4 works with Spider, but 3.8 is the newest/least-buggy/whatever that works.
Some flavours of Poseidon 3.x work with the Elbox Spider cards. Once upon a time, you could register Poseidon with a keyfile, but Hodges fell out with Elbox and now refuses to support 3.x registrations. Poseidon 4 relies on a hardware key on the Deneb to work.
I find it remarkable that Elbox still sells the Spider II card, even though it's a useless, expensive paperweight, since there's no software support for it any more.
I also need to check the disk that came with my Thylacine USB card, that might have come with a registered version of Poseidon 3.x
?! Will everyone make up their minds!
First I was told Poseidon 3.8 supported the Spider 2 USB card.... now its 3.4.
Can someone please explain?
The OP wants 3.4 for a Spider Card. Your's is a Spider II.
Kin
@ Andy : Version numbers? What are they? You taking the piss there mate? 
I think I first discovered version numbers in the mid 80s.
What I MEANT was, which VERSION is supposed to have support for the Spider 2? Originally I was lead to believe that VERSION 3.8 was onthe ONLY VERSION to have support for the Spider 2... Now it seems VERSION 3.4 is the go....
.... or is that only for the Spider (1) usb card?!
This is where Im lost, which VERSION (ahem) of Poseidon supports the Spider 2 card?
Oh, and Im aware of the integrated hardware key on Denebs - I have a couple of them, and very nice they are too.
I think I first discovered version numbers in the mid 80s. What I MEANT was, which VERSION is supposed to have support for the Spider 2? Originally I was lead to believe that VERSION 3.8 was onthe ONLY VERSION to have support for the Spider 2... Now it seems VERSION 3.4 is the go....
.... or is that only for the Spider (1) usb card?!
This is where Im lost, which VERSION (ahem) of Poseidon supports the Spider 2 card?
Oh, and Im aware of the integrated hardware key on Denebs - I have a couple of them, and very nice they are too.
AndyLandy
Acceleration!
Yeah, sorry, I was taking the mick.
I think Kin has summed it up. It looks like you need Poseidon 3.4+ for a Spider USB and Poseidon 3.8+ for a Spider II. That would make some kind of logical sense.
I think Kin has summed it up. It looks like you need Poseidon 3.4+ for a Spider USB and Poseidon 3.8+ for a Spider II. That would make some kind of logical sense.
Cooliez,
tell me, how do you know if it IS the correct version of Poseidon? For instance, I installed 3.8 and it had no driver for the Spider USB 2 (or 1 for that matter), so I had to copy the device across from the Elbox MM CD.
I can add the device in Trident, but as soon as I select online the system crashes...
Do you think this is because it is not the right version, or does the fact it loaded the device mean it is the right version, and I just have another problem?
tell me, how do you know if it IS the correct version of Poseidon? For instance, I installed 3.8 and it had no driver for the Spider USB 2 (or 1 for that matter), so I had to copy the device across from the Elbox MM CD.
I can add the device in Trident, but as soon as I select online the system crashes...
Do you think this is because it is not the right version, or does the fact it loaded the device mean it is the right version, and I just have another problem?
Yeah, sorry, I was taking the mick.
I think Kin has summed it up. It looks like you need Poseidon 3.4+ for a Spider USB and Poseidon 3.8+ for a Spider II. That would make some kind of logical sense.
Of course it will crash when you go on-line. There is no more support for it. 
To know which version the software is, read the PoseidonV3.readme file. Same for most software tbh.
Problem is, I guess you're still going to need a Key File for it.
Also, Poseidon is the USB Stack & Interface software. You still need the specific Driver for your actual USB card in place.
Tbh, I don't know how Elbox are getting away with still selling these cards when there is no logical USB Stack currently available. :|
Kin
To know which version the software is, read the PoseidonV3.readme file. Same for most software tbh.
Problem is, I guess you're still going to need a Key File for it.
Also, Poseidon is the USB Stack & Interface software. You still need the specific Driver for your actual USB card in place.
Tbh, I don't know how Elbox are getting away with still selling these cards when there is no logical USB Stack currently available. :|
Kin
Not sure what consumer practices laws exist in other countries, but in Australia willfully selling a product that is not able to perform the functions it is purported to is simply illegal. Elbox would be shutdown in no time...
...but since Elbox is not trading from Australia, this is a moot point.
Getting a key for a Spider 2 install of Poseidon 3.x would be difficult, but still possible.... but I dont want to go to all that trouble before I know it actually works/will work.
BTW - I have installed the Spider 2 usb deivce driver from the Elbox MM cd, loaded it into Trident and then selected go online. This is, as previously mentioned, when it crashes.
...but since Elbox is not trading from Australia, this is a moot point.
Getting a key for a Spider 2 install of Poseidon 3.x would be difficult, but still possible.... but I dont want to go to all that trouble before I know it actually works/will work.
BTW - I have installed the Spider 2 usb deivce driver from the Elbox MM cd, loaded it into Trident and then selected go online. This is, as previously mentioned, when it crashes.
You're missing the point bud.
You don't need a Key File for Spider II, you need a Key file for Poseidon. The Elbox Driver for Spider II is fine & will work per-say. You need the Poseidon Key file so Trident does not cr4p out after 30 seconds. The key file stops Poseidon (Trident) from crapping out....
....& here in the UK, we would think the same, but the moot point you refer to is that the Elbox Driver works, leaving Chris Hodges responsible for jacking it all in; - & I don't blame Chris in the slightest knowing the C. Hodges story with Elbox. They were trying to Kunt0r him in a really big way.... - Go figure.
Kin
AndyLandy
Acceleration!
Are there other USB stacks out there? What's that one that's shipped with the Thylacine cards? Maybe it could be made to work with the Spider?
Frankly, I have no love for either Elbox or Chris Hodges, but that's all in the past now. It's a shame that it still bites us in the ass to this day.
Frankly, I have no love for either Elbox or Chris Hodges, but that's all in the past now. It's a shame that it still bites us in the ass to this day.
rkauer
Amiga fanboy
Anaiis will work only on 68000 CPU and have no support for PCI bus. As far as I know, it works on A500 & A600 with a clockport and a Subway.
Thylacine have its own Sirius stack, but I don't know if it have support for PCI.
Only the old 3.8 Poseidon have support for Spider2, but it is not possible to register the software.
Anyway the USB on the Elbox is a joke (on the worst sense of the word): slow as hell.
Think someone pushing one 1ton block of concrete over tarmac covered on cold molasses. You'll get the picture. A XT running Quake will be faster.
Thylacine have its own Sirius stack, but I don't know if it have support for PCI.
Only the old 3.8 Poseidon have support for Spider2, but it is not possible to register the software.
Anyway the USB on the Elbox is a joke (on the worst sense of the word): slow as hell.
Think someone pushing one 1ton block of concrete over tarmac covered on cold molasses. You'll get the picture. A XT running Quake will be faster.
Disagree!
The consumer protection laws (here at least) state that a product MUST be suitable for the usage it is sold for/allured to.
So, even though the Spider 2 DRIVER works, and the hardware itself works, if it is not actually possible to use it for the purpose it is sold under (that being as a USB interface card) then it breaks the comsumer protection laws (again, here in Australia anyway).
It is not as simple as "yeah, the hardware IS usb... and the hardware itself DOES work, and the driver IS for the hardware..." It IS as simple as "this product is being sold under false pretences as it NOT suitable for the function it is purported to serve."
You should look up your local consumer practices laws - you may find (to your surprise) that they follow a very similar vein....
Anywho, even if the sale of Spider 2 usb cards does NOT break their local consumer laws (which I find hard to believe), it is quite immoral to sell something that you KNOW will not function as expected.
The consumer protection laws (here at least) state that a product MUST be suitable for the usage it is sold for/allured to.
So, even though the Spider 2 DRIVER works, and the hardware itself works, if it is not actually possible to use it for the purpose it is sold under (that being as a USB interface card) then it breaks the comsumer protection laws (again, here in Australia anyway).
It is not as simple as "yeah, the hardware IS usb... and the hardware itself DOES work, and the driver IS for the hardware..." It IS as simple as "this product is being sold under false pretences as it NOT suitable for the function it is purported to serve."
You should look up your local consumer practices laws - you may find (to your surprise) that they follow a very similar vein....
Anywho, even if the sale of Spider 2 usb cards does NOT break their local consumer laws (which I find hard to believe), it is quite immoral to sell something that you KNOW will not function as expected.
You're missing the point bud.
You don't need a Key File for Spider II, you need a Key file for Poseidon. The Elbox Driver for Spider II is fine & will work per-say. You need the Poseidon Key file so Trident does not cr4p out after 30 seconds. The key file stops Poseidon (Trident) from crapping out....
....& here in the UK, we would think the same, but the moot point you refer to is that the Elbox Driver works, leaving Chris Hodges responsible for jacking it all in; - & I don't blame Chris in the slightest knowing the C. Hodges story with Elbox. They were trying to Kunt0r him in a really big way.... - Go figure.
Kin
AndyLandy
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I dunno. It's a bit of a grey area. They've sold you a card and a driver to make the OS support it. They haven't supplied you a USB stack to go with it.
You can buy an X-surf or an Ariadne, they'll come with drivers, not necessarily a network stack.
The problem here is that Hodges wrote the Poseidon USB stack that Spider uses, then had a massive falling out with Elbox, so stopped selling Poseidon to work with their cards.
Go look up the history of Chris Hodges vs. Elbox, it's the very definition of 'immoral'
Dudes, have a look to this post of Chris Hodges on Amiga.org.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=635145&postcount=27
It seems that Poseidon v4 might work with the spider.device without any key!!!
I do not have a Mediator set up and working right now even if i own the part. So if someone do, please test it and tell us what happens
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=635145&postcount=27
It seems that Poseidon v4 might work with the spider.device without any key!!!
I do not have a Mediator set up and working right now even if i own the part. So if someone do, please test it and tell us what happens
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