No returns, no replacements, no warranties. Private sale.

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I love the "we should be adults" "we are all adults" statements but when things go wrong and money is involved the blame game starts, making it harder to get a resolution.

When I mention insurance I am talking about the cover for loss and physical damage caused by shipping.

The AS-IS statement still requires you as the seller to deliver the item as described, again does not remove the seller responsibility to ensure it gets to the buyer in the condition described.

Thank @miggymad for the terms, it gives us something to work with. I am more swayed to guidelines instead of rules.
 
@YouKnowWho yes to protect myself from false claims. I don't offer warrenty on used retro gear. I do however take all resposibilty to make sure the item gets to it's buyer as described. And If in the event the item gets damged or is DOA, I would work with the buyer and courier to resolve.

As already stated many times by fellow staff members, sellers who wish to resolve themselves of ALL resposibilty cannot trade here on Amibay.
 
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Timtheloon said:
I love the "we should be adults" "we are all adults" statements but when things go wrong and money is involved the blame game starts, making it harder to get a resolution.
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I hear what you're saying. I'm simply pointing out that issues can happen on both sides, and adults should work it out. Otherwise, don't transact. Cigarette companies are out there selling their products, I don't have to accept their offering.

As a buyer of things much more than seller, I still take issue with the leaning of this thread that sellers should bare the burden and not have say in terms of their sale. Also, we're somewhat acting as if there are no bad buyers even though there are many examples of that even here with sellers showcasing behaviour of bad buyers. In my life I have actually refused to transact with a few customers because they were habitually problematic.

Hence we need to reach the balance point and in my humble view that balance is that when you sell you 100% have the right to set terms, and when you buy you 100% have the right to vote with your wallet.
Sardine said:
I simple just think

Private sale: No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever.

has no place here on Amibay to absolve the seller from ANYTHING..... Simple..
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See @Timtheloon...@Sardine clearly feels it is the seller who should not have the right to set terms for their transactions, which I hope he understands means that if I agree to his proposal he MUST buy everything I list for sale because he should not have a right to refuse purchasing what I offer, asking price included. :-)
 
Watson said:
@YouKnowWho yes to protect myself from false claims. I don't offer warrenty on used retro gear. I do however take all resposibilty to make sure the item gets to it's buyer as described. And If in the event the item gets damged or is DOA, I would work with the buyer and courier to resolve.

As already stated many times by fellow staff members, sellers who wish to resolve themselves of ALL resposibilty cannot trade here on Amibay.
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So no one here can list an item for sale and state no-returns, no-exchanges, as-is, ALL SALES FINAL?

What if is an A4000 at a killer price, and I really really want it from SellerXYZ and I am willing to accept his conditions, including PP F&F payment? It is not acceptable for me to Declare Interest in such an item and purchase it?

I must say...I would not have half the stuff I have if I didn't accept as-is, no returns - bacause so many sellers wouldn't want to risk sending it to me. Additionally...oh, so many lovely items I would have missed out on.
 
YouKnowWho said:
I'm simply pointing out that issues can happen on both sides, and adults should work it out. Otherwise, don't transact.
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So if seller has indicated 'no liability whatsoever' there still seems to be some expectation that seller should do something if item arrives DOA? Where does this expectation come from? Sorry, I am a little bit confused with your messages.
 
dwaco said:
So if seller has indicated 'no liability whatsoever' there still seems to be some expectation that seller should do something if item arrives DOA? Where does this expectation come from? Sorry, I am a little bit confused with your messages.
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That is not what I am saying at all. Exactly the opposite in fact.

If the seller indicated "no liability whatsoever" and I bought that item because I want it, I would have not expectation. That's what I agreed to buy. And I also argue that such items should be allowed because we're adults and we are fully capable of agreeing to conditions set by seller prior to making a decision to purchase.
 
YouKnowWho said:
That is not what I am saying at all. Exactly the opposite in fact.
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Ok, I see.

What I would like to add is that forum policy also affects behavior and consequently attracts sellers of specific behavior. If 'no liability' postings are very welcome on the forum, sellers could gravitate towards that as the default as it would make them more secure.

Therefore policy of some sort regarding what is arriving in the mail supports sellers gravitating towards supporting buyers.

Sure, consequently it might affect offers selection.
 
dwaco said:
(EDIT- I included wrong quote) If 'no liability' postings are very welcome on the forum, sellers could gravitate towards that as the default as it would make them more secure.
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Or it could motivate capable sellers to differentiate, offer assurances and support as a value-added feature of their offering.
 
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Personal experience (off amibay.com) a buyer bought some retro goods from me. Paid, sent working etc etc. A few months later when they started falling, they contacted me and asked for a refund. This is why I always state in my listing that'll I'll guarantee that the items are working with proof of life, however with all antique goods this is not a guarantee that next power cycle will still be working.
 
mrr19121970 said:
Personal experience (off amibay.com) a buyer bought some retro goods from me. Paid, sent working etc etc. A few months later when they started falling, they contacted me and asked for a refund. This is why I always state in my listing that'll I'll guarantee that the items are working with proof of life, however with all antique goods this is not a guarantee that next power cycle will still be working.
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Just echo this in reverse. I bought a couple of items a couple of months ago. When arrived worked fine. Now starting to show signs of not working. Yes they are old (30 + years) and yes I knew the risks.
Will I be now DM’ing and moaning at the seller? Nope, because I knew the risks.
The items in question were over the 2K mark as well. You win some, you lose some. But my choice.
 
Boing-ball said:
Just echo this in reverse. I bought a couple of items a couple of months ago. When arrived worked fine. Now starting to show signs of not working. Yes they are old (30 + years) and yes I knew the risks.
Will I be now DM’ing and moaning at the seller? Nope, because I knew the risks.
The items in question were over the 2K mark as well. You win some, you lose some. But my choice.
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Again has shown by @Sardine in his post (Post #16) this is not what we are asking for we are saying the seller cant absolve themselves from ensuring it gets delivered to the buyer "as is" which is as described.

So you don't have to scroll back here is the post
Sardine said:
reading this thread I see my point might have missed a member or 2..

I am NOT talking about warranty.

I am NOT talking about "I'm an experienced repairer and will fix at my costs whatever arrives"

I am NOT talking about any after sales tech support.

I am NOT talking about "I don't care what arrives it was rare so that justifies all the damages and broken pieces"

I am NOT talking about "We are all adults and can work it out amongst ourselves amicably"



I AM talking about what is Described in the sales thread E.G. "A1200 Pristine condition working perfectly" arrives EXACTLY as the description states.

NO "Private sale: No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever." is an absolute NO and has no place on Amibay,

If your terms of sale are as such then your should NOT be allowed to list items here PERIOD, there MUST be some expectation that what's bought and paid for arrives. SIMPLE..
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Timtheloon said:
Again has shown by @Sardine in his post (Post #16) this is not what we are asking for we are saying the seller cant absolve themselves from ensuring it gets delivered to the buyer "as is" which is as described.

So you don't have to scroll back here is the post
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@Timtheloon Appreciated. But when does this rule come into effect?

I get the D.O.A and it should arrive as described. But from now on we can’t be transparent in our sales description?
If that is the case, then the rules will need to be re-addressed so all members are aware of this.
 
why is everyone missing the point and going off on all kinds of tangents ??


items should arrive "As Described" , a seller cannot absolve themselves with unfair terms of sale, washing their hands of ANY issues at the POINT of delivery.


It's not complicated.

just NO, "Private sale: No warranty, no guarantee, no returns, and no liability whatsoever."

rinse repeat.
 
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