selling items with "NO GUARANTEE" arriving working

[roy_bates]

from my own perspective,the buyer also has the right to see something working they are paying for
say for instance a crt monitor, tv or whatever it is
people hardly ever see them working before handing over the cash,they just take the word of the seller and pay

yes,i beleive that if you dont see it working it isnt or might not be working properly

i cant talk about prices,but i can tell you ,its not a small amount of money,then you realise you need to get it repaired
people need to take off the nostagia glasses before a purchase,and think

 

[Sardine]

In my opinion the buyer takes the whole responsibility, as long as nothing is hidden in the description.
In this case, when an item has not been tested yesterday, the buyer takes his risk.
There is also a chance that may be DOA even if tested yesterday. In this case the seller must take it back.
This is Amibay and I suppose/hope we are all honest.

Not everyone’s 1st language is English and its easy to hide “it was working 5 yrs ago” in paragraphs of text and photos.


Not all sellers are honest.

A clear indication that the item has not been tested and sold as is should in my opinion be the sales prefix “Spares/Repair”

 

[darefail]

The thing is very simple in my head.

Everything not tested today, may not work. You buy it or leave it.
Also some sellers state no returns are accepted. I guess they are clear enough.

 

[Sardine]

The thing is very simple in my head.

Everything not tested today, may not work. You buy it or leave it.
Also some sellers state no returns are accepted. I guess they are clear enough.

And that’s great for you.

If i bought an item at market value that was tested today with photos i have a VERY high expectation of it arriving in a working condition and if it doesn’t work i should be able to return to the seller for a refund or repair. My choice.


If i see the same item at or near market value but with the statement imbedded “sold as is no returns” i guess im taking a risk as the seller said it “should” work but my 1st language is not English and im relying on google translate or my own limited understanding of English grammar. The listing has lots of specifications and photos of what it could do, so is it working or not i don’t know.


Every language understands “Spares/Repair”

 

[darefail]

And that’s great for you.

If i bought an item at market value that was tested today with photos i have a VERY high expectation of it arriving in a working condition and if it doesn’t work i should be able to return to the seller for a refund or repair. My choice.


If i see the same item at or near market value but with the statement imbedded “sold as is no returns” i guess im taking a risk as the seller said it “should” work but my 1st language is not English and im relying on google translate or my own limited understanding of English grammar. The listing has lots of specifications and photos of what it could do, so is it working or not i don’t know.


Every language understands “Spares/Repair”

For everyone, "working" means working and "should work" means maybe yes maybe no.
1. Communication is the key. You ask for a video or if it was tested recently and then you decide.
2. You pay through PayPal with protection only!
3. As I've said, when you see "no returns" "should work" "tested 5 years ago" and things like that, you just don't waste your money.

About prices.. A seller is allowed to ask for anything and the buyer is able not to pay it.

 

[Sardine]

Again that’s great for YOU

You understand.

Should would could might can be confusing when the seller lists it as such.

It’s not about who does understand its for those who might not understand.

To try make it more simple for a buyer who just views a sales thread that looks and is priced the same as any other sales thread but has the “should” or “as is” buried in amongst the paragraphs of description i think should be listed as “Spares / Repairs “

 

[darefail]

Again that’s great for YOU

You understand.

Should would could might can be confusing when the seller lists it as such.

It’s not about who does understand its for those who might not understand.

To try make it more simple for a buyer who just views a sales thread that looks and is priced the same as any other sales thread but has the “should” or “as is” buried in amongst the paragraphs of description i think should be listed as “Spares / Repairs “

Send me a PM with a sales thread that is not clear for you or that represents the reason of this thread.

 

[Sardine]

It’s not about me

 

[Boing-ball]

Nope

I’m talking about listing items at market value whatever that is today but with the statement “not used in x years should work no guarantees so sold as is no refunds “

Should in my opinion be listed as “spares/repair” so it’s more visible to a buyer the item could be defective and a risk when buying.

Okay. So should there be some sort of drop down menu when you sell then? Something on the lines that eBay do for “Condition”. I.e “New”, “Used”, “Spares or Repairs”. That way when you see an item for sale, you the buyer get to see straight off the bat what you are buying. As a member on here, I am expecting fellow members to be at least truthful and forthcoming. The other question to be raised here. What will Admins and moderators of this site do to enforce it? I was under the impression we all support each other.

 

[darefail]

Is this on behalf of someone else?
Anyway, this ended up being a conversation between me and you.
I'll get back when other members share their opinion.

 

[darefail]

Okay. So should there be some sort of drop down menu when you sell then? Something on the lines that eBay do for “Condition”. I.e “New”, “Used”, “Spares or Repairs”. That way when you see an item for sale, you the buyer get to see straight off the bat what you are buying. As a member on here, I am expecting fellow members to be at least truthful and forthcoming. The other question to be raised here. What will Admins and moderators of this site do to enforce it? I was under the impression we all support each other.

Moderators force you to buy through PayPal with protection.
We are all adults and responsible for everything.

 

[Templar]

I think your listing should state the same as "eBay" sold as "spares repair" and priced as such

If you expect the "buyer" to take "ALL" the risk I dont think this is fair.

if you want to sell as "used" but "untested" there "MUST" be some expectation that the item arrives in a working condition and if not is eligible for return/refund.

I don't think it's fair to list an item for £1000 / $1000 / € 1000 and if arrives not working you just simply wash your hands of the sale.

Great point you've got there Sardine. It seems that many sales here are going towards this direction (correct if I'm wrong), which in my opinion, is not 100% fair (for the seller of course). Sure, many users will reply that we have an open market, so everybody can sell "untested" items and ask whatever they want, and if you just don't like it, please move on. No, that's not what AmiBay represents and I don't like to see AmiBay to become like the other famous bay.

 

[Sardine]

Moderators force you to buy through PayPal with protection.
We are all adults and responsible for everything.

Everything you just said is wrong

I have said in the past you can pay in sheep. Chocolate biscuits. Just be careful sending a lot of chocolate biscuits in one go

 

[darefail]

Everything you just said is wrong

I have said in the past you can pay in sheep. Chocolate biscuits. Just be careful sending a lot of chocolate biscuits in one go

There is a warning thread about paying as family and friends.
That's why I said you force not to pay as fn'f.
What is wrong with that?

 

[roy_bates]

its advised to pay as goods and services,not forced

you or anyone could pay anyway they wish,the choice is of protection,you may not need it with some members,moderators can only do so much
if,a person decides to rip someone off,there isnt really much a moderator can do realisticly

 

[Buzzfuzz]

Most of us here are Amibayers here, so we know how it works and what needs to be done.
Then I think we should act on that and make it more clear in the rules, what can be expected from buyers and sellers if an item isn't working or not tested.
I think it also needs a separate forum for selling these things.

So every platform has it's untested or not working selling forum, that would give new members clearly the idea that this is not working or could be not working.

That's why I said we should have a separate selling forum for all untested or not working items for any platform.
No use for prefix or words needed, you enter that forum, and you know your buying untested or non working hardware.

And payment is another thing, as I don't have a credit card or Paypal anymore, it's banktransfer as in Ideal, which America and the UK finally begin to see we use it a lot over here

 

[roy_bates]

That's why I said we should have a separate selling forum for all untested or not working items for any platform.
No use for prefix or words needed, you enter that forum, and you know your buying untested or non working hardware.

isnt there already a section on amibay for such a thing?

i think there used to be?

 

[Buzzfuzz]

isnt there already a section on amibay for such a thing?

i think there used to be?

That is the recycle bin, that is 'free' postage only

 

[darefail]

its advised to pay as goods and services,not forced

you or anyone could pay anyway they wish,the choice is of protection,you may not need it with some members,moderators can only do so much
if,a person decides to rip someone off,there isnt really much a moderator can do realisticly

Ok it was my mistake to use the word forced.
Even though they should do it no matter if the buyer will do it or not.
It is advised.

 

[roy_bates]

That is the recycle bin, that is 'free' postage only

ah,then yes,i would like to see a faulty area,non working items etc
i would be interested