selling items with "NO GUARANTEE" arriving working

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I've been in a couple of these quandaries lately, here's what I decided on a couple of recent items:

- something I thought might be collectable but which I couldn't test, and for which I could not work out a sensible amibay price for - I stuck it on ebay as "spares/repair" for auction.

- something I had that has literally never been used, I took off sale here because I decided the only way I'd sell it was if I tested it (and in this case I could...) - that whole "unused/must-be-worth-more-and-btw-no-returns" notion doesn't feel like it works for old gear . What if there had been a manufacturing defect 20 years ago?

- something that I had tested but I knew from experience could be fragile (I had a few die randomly in the past) I listed as tested working but with the weasel words "Obviously very old and potentially fragile hardware so I cannot offer a guarantee other than it was working when tested". Troubled me to say that, but I wanted to get across that (despite my screenshots of test results) there was a risk here. Since been sold on ebay with similar words (tested working but listed as spares/repair).
 
The recycle bin is no more I believe.

And regarding paypal, I say that I want Paypal gift if I don't know you, we haven't traded before, or you don't have lots of feedback. You can see I have 100+. I think that's reasonable.
 
i am being off topic maybe slightly,here a bit,but i would welcome a non working ,faulty,assumed not working area,for parts or repair
also assuming that person has the skill to try a repair,or just buy for parts

also had no idea there was no recycle bin anymore
 
The recycle bin was retired because nobody was using it.

Each sub section has had prefixes added so you can set a free prefix.

I don’t fancy setting up a new area with all the sub forums for the different manufacturers of our machines.

I’m however willing to add to the current prefixes, I.e. spares/repairs

But I doubt anybody would use them otherwise they wouldn’t hide the untested text within a blurb of their listing.
 
davideo said:
I’m however willing to add to the current prefixes, I.e. spares/repairs
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This sounds good, I'm guessing only "honest" sellers would use the prefix but it's there to be used.

I doubt we could enforce it but would strongly suggest ANY item sold " untested / was working x years ago " etc should have spares/repair unless the seller is willing to accept returns / refunds ??
 
davideo said:
But I doubt anybody would use them otherwise they wouldn’t hide the untested text within a blurb of their listing.
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Hence the problem will remain.
Like I said, most of us are Amibayers, so we will know how to do that, but newbies may overlook that.

I know how exited I got when was first in line for the one thing I wanted, a Blizzard 1230IV.
Now that went all good, cause those things are almost indestructible, but a Cyberstorm PPC is another thing, like the PPC could not be working, which basicly makes it an MK III, or the scsi NCR could be kaput.
 
I'll add Spares/Repairs and Untested to the different Hardware sub forums either later tonight or tomorrow.
 
Sardine said:
I doubt we could enforce it but would strongly suggest ANY item sold " untested / was working x years ago " etc should have spares/repair unless the seller is willing to accept returns / refunds ??
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My thoughts exactly. If a seller states that his/her item for sale is "untested" (including all similar stuff), then his/her sale should be automatically downgraded to spare/repair category, unless he/she is able to accept returns or partial/full refund (depending the nature of the item).

General statements of "it was working 1-2 years ago" or "last time it was working perfectly" are a no-no to me. Such statements must be again downgraded to spare/repair category.
 
Hopefully Half-Saint will agree with my change to his thread prefix

www.amibay.com

Spares/Repairs - 2x Chinon FZ-502 Floppy disk drive

I'm selling these two floppy disk drives. Couldn't get them to work. In the end I connected the light beige one to my super socket 7 machine. Immediately after turning on the PC I could smell some burnt electonics. I didn't open it up to see what burnt out. Both are sold as faulty. In the...
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and another thread. This one by keitha https://www.amibay.com/threads/sinclair-ql-boxed-untested.2447769/
 
According to keitha's thread, Sinclair QL is partially tested (judged from the screenshots). I don't know if it goes to the same category. Just my thoughts.
 
Templar said:
According to keitha's thread, Sinclair QL is partially tested (judged from the screenshots). I don't know if it goes to the same category. Just my thoughts.
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I'd agree but he put "Untested" in the thread title lol
 
I came up with a fool proof system that has works for me: I assume everything used/vintage/old I buy is non-working and in need of my attention to make it like I expect it.

It's all mostly 80s or early 90s stuff I buy. When it works, and continues to work somehow, it just makes me happy. When it doesn't, I'm never disappointed because I expected nothing less.
 
for anyone curious as to what prompted me to start this journey in this thread,

just look for an apollo vampire now prefixed as untested, its not an old piece of hardware and unless you read the whole description it can be a little confusing if its sold working or not with the " I cannot give any guarantee, let alone warrantee, of it working on arrival"

this is the reason why and for anyone not fully versed in english grammar can be confusing,
 
@Sardine I set the prefix on that thread as Untested and did several other threads as either Untested or Spares/Repairs
 
I cannot give any guarantee, let alone warrantee, of it working on arrival at the buyer.

In this specific thread the seller can't be more honest and clear.
Proof? For 2 months no one have declared interest or even asked a simple question.
 
@darefail

It’s not about you. You understand.

It’s about the information above is in the middle of the post at the end of a sentence which at its start uses phrases that include “working condition” in bold and “tested some 2 / 3 years ago”

YOU might see that as plain as day but not everyone will.
 
I think all of us can agree that buying anything second hand is an art form. A gamble if you will. Chances are, you won't get it right 100% of the time just as you certainly won't in gambling. That's why I apply the method of approaching things as noted above @Sardine. Win some/lose some is a good approach, and since I approach used stuff with the latter, whenever it's a win, it's a pleasant surprise.

However, a valid point to discuss the process before one actually takes the decision to buy the item. Personally I keep it simple there.
Is the item very rare or not? Have I been waiting for 2 years for one to come up? Yes? I want it really really badly? Then it's an immediate buy if it comes up, regardless of description - unless it's been in a flood or fire! :) , because who knows when the next one will come up?

On the other hand, not rare, not hard to find, and/or I'm looking for a deal over buying a new one? In that case, if they come up and it's not all lined up at the moment and I don't "feel it", I sleep on it. If it sells while I'm sleeping...well, it wasn't meant to be. You have to actually lose some to maybe win some.

Additionally, various goods have all levels of complexity. Just imagine how many Amiga are purchased out there with the buyer not knowing just what the battery has done to it. And does everything work well with it? Seems that many didn't even work well leaving the Commodore factory! :)

Honestly, the marketing machine has made us feel like there won't be any more. Like you have to order now. Buy now! ...or never!
I say screw that jazz. There will be more, and if not...FIGHT CLUB! "I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may."

Again, that's my method, and it works for me. We're all individuals and have our different setting levels.

P.S. I respect the freedom of people to offer whatever goods they want to sell in whatever method and price they wish to sell it. I even find some attempts entertaining. Look at housing around the world...prices inflated and you buy a house with all manner of surprises. Actually, even new builds have issues.
 
YouKnowWho said:
P.S. I respect the freedom of people to offer whatever goods they want to sell in whatever method and price they wish to sell it. I even find some attempts entertaining. Look at housing around the world...prices inflated and you buy a house with all manner of surprises. Actually, even new builds have issues.
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I guess that is the point also.
 
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