Super Buster 11? Why?

[awmosoft]

A few weeks ago I saw this youtube movie about the Z3 Fastlane: and showed the problem he had with Buster 9.

If you have a Z3SCSI rom 8.5, then you need to upgrade to Buster 11. My A4000 has a ZZ9000 and Z3 Fastlane. CPU board is Cyberstorm MK I 060 with SCSI Controller.

 

[ctrl_alt_a_a]

Do you have a Buster 9 or Buster 11?

What OS do you run

 

[JHanna]

A4000 is fine recapped and perfect but get regular freezing and reboots with the ZZ9000. Buster 9 has DMA bugs so I am hoping updating to Buster 11 will fix it.

My A4000T has Buster 11 and I've been having all sorts of stability issues. Also had Matze's Z3 active termination mod done on my board.

 

[awmosoft]

I'm using a Buster 11 and AmigaOS 3.2.2.1.

 

[Boing-ball]

Have all my A4KD boards with SB11 chips. Usually it can be down to Z3 slot assignments that can cause the most issues. As well as some boards don’t play nice with others etc…
Had one of those ZZ9000 boards, but didn’t get on with it. These day use Prometheus Firebird with Voodoo 3, Mwdiator MK IV or the original Rev B Daughterboard (Recpapped) using a PIV Z3 card.

With the ZZ9000 you also have firmware updates. So worth checking you have the latest revision for your setup.

 

[Xanxi]

Are you aware that theoretically several boards could DMA with buster 9, but only one with buster 11?
Buster 11 solves the conflict between cards by allowing only one to DMA, as Dave Hainy explained.
I don't know what he is planning to do with Buster 12 but i think the potential problems are endless with all the possible combinations of Zorro boards.
I seem to remember i have gone Buster 11 at the time because there was a problem with my CV64 3D, while the Deneb had a workaround.
Anyway, the computer got no problem with Buster 11 and these two boards, until i removed the CV64 3D for the ZZ9000 and it is still fine like this.
Buster 11 is selling expensive but i think 9 will be enough in most cases.
I don't understand the need for fancy problematic cards of the past like Fastlane Z3 or A4091. These things should be builtin in the accelerators.

 

[cloverskull]

I don't understand the need for fancy problematic cards of the past like Fastlane Z3 or A4091. These things should be builtin in the accelerators.

A lot of accelerators either have no storage solution or they have some flavor of IDE. The problem is that IDE is slower than SCSI in most cases and also eats up CPU cycles.

I acknowledge there are newer accelerators which can read from an image on an SD card and those are quite fast but that's the exception, not the rule. And I like using actual Motorola 68k based accelerators anyway.

 

[Xanxi]

A lot of accelerators either have no storage solution or they have some flavor of IDE. The problem is that IDE is slower than SCSI in most cases and also eats up CPU cycles.

I acknowledge there are newer accelerators which can read from an image on an SD card and those are quite fast but that's the exception, not the rule. And I like using actual Motorola 68k based accelerators anyway.

What accelerator do you have? My main A4000 has a CyberStorm MK2 060. I could fit the SCSI addon but i have no room for it in the case, and i prefer IDE anyway. Probably it would outperform the A4091.

 

[cloverskull]

I have a CyberStorm MK3 060 (well, a CSPPC with the PPC removed). I can't get nearly these speeds with any sort of IDE

 

[Xanxi]

So, you have onboard SCSI or is it not working? Besides this controller should be the fastest SCSI available on the Amiga. So why bother with zorro controllers?

 

[ctrl_alt_a_a]

With Buster 09 and no other cards, my A4000 with only ZZ9000 seems to be behaving now. I am going to add the AD516 Sunrize Card back in soon and will see if the issues return.

It makes sense that Buster 09 may work with just a single Z3 card, but when other cards are present bugs occur. I guess Buster 11 handles that better.

 

[cloverskull]

So, you have onboard SCSI or is it not working? Besides this controller should be the fastest SCSI available on the Amiga. So why bother with zorro controllers?

I'd like to use a different accelerator. Aside from the SCSI, there are better (IMO) accelerators available nowadays.

Ideally there'd be SATA support/headers on the new accelerators themselves but they seem to only use either IDE or images on SD cards :/

 

[Xanxi]

With Buster 09 and no other cards, my A4000 with only ZZ9000 seems to be behaving now. I am going to add the AD516 Sunrize Card back in soon and will see if the issues return.

It makes sense that Buster 09 may work with just a single Z3 card, but when other cards are present bugs occur. I guess Buster 11 handles that better.

Are you sure about your PSU (or even your caps)?
As far as i know the ZZ9000 does not DMA.
I used an AD516 15 years ago in my A2000 (nice card actually, but no decoding at all), it is Z2 only, it should not give any trouble about Z3.
You can still use the audio addon for the ZZ9000 with no need for a zorro slot, but i think that board is not entirely satisfactory so far.

 

[Xanxi]

I'd like to use a different accelerator. Aside from the SCSI, there are better (IMO) accelerators available nowadays.

Ideally there'd be SATA support/headers on the new accelerators themselves but they seem to only use either IDE or images on SD cards :/

The CS MK3 is still a beast not to be underestimated. It has very fast RAM access in busmem test, not sure the new cards do better. Besides it has its own bus for the CyberVision.
I would be glad to have a CS MK3 anytime.

 

[ctrl_alt_a_a]

Are you sure about your PSU (or even your caps)?
As far as i know the ZZ9000 does not DMA.
I used an AD516 15 years ago in my A2000 (nice card actually, but no decoding at all), it is Z2 only, it should not give any trouble about Z3.
You can still use the audio addon for the ZZ9000 with no need for a zorro slot, but i think that board is not entirely satisfactory so far.

It's all been recapped, PSU seems fine also. It was on over night last night and most of day today, idle in WB with network open to SMB2 continuous. It may have been the memory because as I mentioned I replaced the 4 x 4MB with 2 x 8MB.

I am happier now I have it stable, but will still add the Buster 11 given I have it.

I will also now add a Full 68060 processor and card then will more or less be complete except for the ZZ9000 sound add-on, but with on board sound do I really need the AX add on?