It is nothing personal, it is just my impression from all those faces starring at me from yt / tt / insta crap none info threads. ;-)
The Commodore brand may be coming back!
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Each to their own…
JHanna
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25 years ago this would've been brilliant, and at first I thought I would care, but then I realised I really didn't. Too much has happened, just let it die 
Guessing that’s where this one has come from? Just saw this and decided to pop on to see if everyone is aware of it…
www.techspot.com
Commodore 64 returns with FPGA-powered remake, coming this fall starting at $299
A crowdfunding campaign is now live for a modern clone of Commodore's iconic 1982 home computer. The newly revived company promises to combine near-perfect retro hardware accuracy...
www.techspot.com
@AmiNeo. I was aware of it. They are releasing 3 different variants. The Founders edition peaked a little interest but, It would only sit in the box unused. 
I just watched the video on post No.16 . The "full Amiga 1200" will be interesting, if it ever sees the light of day but, I wouldn't trade my real hardware for emulation as mentioned in the video. Each to their own though.
I just watched the video on post No.16 . The "full Amiga 1200" will be interesting, if it ever sees the light of day but, I wouldn't trade my real hardware for emulation as mentioned in the video. Each to their own though.
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Some thoughts....
There are plenty of MISTer DE-10 Nano host/hub board to put MISTer in a Checkmate1500 case, or actual Amiga 500/600/1200 case, etc. (Disclosure, I did this with the MISTress 1200.) In essence to re-purpose original cases and keyboards and deliver a more authentic original experience than re-releases in my view. You can do this MISTer DE-10 nano to your dead Amiga 500 that you had back in 1988. You could be touching the same plastics you originally did back in the day!
Is there really no such a board out there yet to put a MISTer DE-10 Nano cleanly inside a vintage original Commodore 64 case and re-use the original keyboard? It seems like such an obvious product. Is the only current method to put a MISTer DE-10 Nano in a classic Commodore 64 via some type of C64-to-USB keyboard adapter and then routing the MISTer ports to a spot on the case?
I've pondered and pondered and concluded that when it comes to retro computer, original hardware is always simply the best. Obviously. It is not out of reach. It is available out there. Most of us have what we want already. Some of us are still hunting for some rare pieces perhaps. It's all part of the fun to find stuff.
But beside the fact that we can have a lovely original C64 setup today, I'd like us all to note the reality of the future of retro as illustrated by all rights holders who have re-released some version of retro hardware: it is clearly FPGA. No one makes the classic original chips anymore, and FPGA can become the classic hardware/chips, cycle accurate and everything. It is efficient, affordable, flexible.
Once we come to terms that FPGA is the way it will be from now on, what but MISTer DE-10 Nano is the best implementation of FPGA out there? Pound for pound, it just cannot be toped. After some initial growing pains and improvements I can say that a 8bit4ever MISTress 1200 in a new black 1200 case with black keycaps is simply a monster of a retro Commodore Amiga FPGA setup. Awesome solid AGA 020 RTG Amiga core. Long list of other cores. Constant refinements. Huge community working on things to everyone's benefit (see: AO486 core). Hardware not locked to one gatekeeper with many more cores as a result. It is all just too compelling. MISTer DE-10 Nano outputs to 15khz CRTs, VGA, HDMI - it is a disturbingly enjoyable retro experience. Makes me wonder...why reinvent the wheel?
There are plenty of MISTer DE-10 Nano host/hub board to put MISTer in a Checkmate1500 case, or actual Amiga 500/600/1200 case, etc. (Disclosure, I did this with the MISTress 1200.) In essence to re-purpose original cases and keyboards and deliver a more authentic original experience than re-releases in my view. You can do this MISTer DE-10 nano to your dead Amiga 500 that you had back in 1988. You could be touching the same plastics you originally did back in the day!
Is there really no such a board out there yet to put a MISTer DE-10 Nano cleanly inside a vintage original Commodore 64 case and re-use the original keyboard? It seems like such an obvious product. Is the only current method to put a MISTer DE-10 Nano in a classic Commodore 64 via some type of C64-to-USB keyboard adapter and then routing the MISTer ports to a spot on the case?
I've pondered and pondered and concluded that when it comes to retro computer, original hardware is always simply the best. Obviously. It is not out of reach. It is available out there. Most of us have what we want already. Some of us are still hunting for some rare pieces perhaps. It's all part of the fun to find stuff.
But beside the fact that we can have a lovely original C64 setup today, I'd like us all to note the reality of the future of retro as illustrated by all rights holders who have re-released some version of retro hardware: it is clearly FPGA. No one makes the classic original chips anymore, and FPGA can become the classic hardware/chips, cycle accurate and everything. It is efficient, affordable, flexible.
Once we come to terms that FPGA is the way it will be from now on, what but MISTer DE-10 Nano is the best implementation of FPGA out there? Pound for pound, it just cannot be toped. After some initial growing pains and improvements I can say that a 8bit4ever MISTress 1200 in a new black 1200 case with black keycaps is simply a monster of a retro Commodore Amiga FPGA setup. Awesome solid AGA 020 RTG Amiga core. Long list of other cores. Constant refinements. Huge community working on things to everyone's benefit (see: AO486 core). Hardware not locked to one gatekeeper with many more cores as a result. It is all just too compelling. MISTer DE-10 Nano outputs to 15khz CRTs, VGA, HDMI - it is a disturbingly enjoyable retro experience. Makes me wonder...why reinvent the wheel?
I guess he will have these guys to deal with too unless they've already paid up their license fees:
https://commodore.inc
https://commodore.inc
Honestly....why? This hardware is silly. Just buy any laptop of your choice and stick a Commodore decal on it.
Better too - because it's the laptop you actually wanted, not one you bought for the Commodore sticker.
...and on this thought of branding...I get it, but at the same time, it is exploitative. @Templar is spot on to point out that this non-original hardware under familiar to us brands is first and foremost milking us for revenue, or attempting to milk us. MOOO!
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Definitely would prefer real hardware for sure. I feel this more targets people who once owned one but aren’t into them enough to want to maintain vintage hardware or care enough about the experience to want it 100% authentic. The HDMI out of the box is nice etc and there are obvious quality of life benefits, but you’re not getting the true Amiga experience, even with hardware emulation. I still feel it will be closer to running something like WinUAE personally.@AmiNeo. I was aware of it. They are releasing 3 different variants. The Founders edition peaked a little interest but, It would only sit in the box unused.
I just watched the video on post No.16 . The "full Amiga 1200" will be interesting, if it ever sees the light of day but, I wouldn't trade my real hardware for emulation as mentioned in the video. Each to their own though.
Probably for the same reason any nerd or enthusiast does anything I’d guess. Because they can.Some thoughts....
There are plenty of MISTer DE-10 Nano host/hub board to put MISTer in a Checkmate1500 case, or actual Amiga 500/600/1200 case, etc. (Disclosure, I did this with the MISTress 1200.) In essence to re-purpose original cases and keyboards and deliver a more authentic original experience than re-releases in my view. You can do this MISTer DE-10 nano to your dead Amiga 500 that you had back in 1988. You could be touching the same plastics you originally did back in the day!
Is there really no such a board out there yet to put a MISTer DE-10 Nano cleanly inside a vintage original Commodore 64 case and re-use the original keyboard? It seems like such an obvious product. Is the only current method to put a MISTer DE-10 Nano in a classic Commodore 64 via some type of C64-to-USB keyboard adapter and then routing the MISTer ports to a spot on the case?
I've pondered and pondered and concluded that when it comes to retro computer, original hardware is always simply the best. Obviously. It is not out of reach. It is available out there. Most of us have what we want already. Some of us are still hunting for some rare pieces perhaps. It's all part of the fun to find stuff.
But beside the fact that we can have a lovely original C64 setup today, I'd like us all to note the reality of the future of retro as illustrated by all rights holders who have re-released some version of retro hardware: it is clearly FPGA. No one makes the classic original chips anymore, and FPGA can become the classic hardware/chips, cycle accurate and everything. It is efficient, affordable, flexible.
Once we come to terms that FPGA is the way it will be from now on, what but MISTer DE-10 Nano is the best implementation of FPGA out there? Pound for pound, it just cannot be toped. After some initial growing pains and improvements I can say that a 8bit4ever MISTress 1200 in a new black 1200 case with black keycaps is simply a monster of a retro Commodore Amiga FPGA setup. Awesome solid AGA 020 RTG Amiga core. Long list of other cores. Constant refinements. Huge community working on things to everyone's benefit (see: AO486 core). Hardware not locked to one gatekeeper with many more cores as a result. It is all just too compelling. MISTer DE-10 Nano outputs to 15khz CRTs, VGA, HDMI - it is a disturbingly enjoyable retro experience. Makes me wonder...why reinvent the wheel?
That aside they’re probably hoping to make a bit of profit from the name themselves too.
Commodore Team announced
www.commodore.net
Dave Haynie = Technical Adviser
Maybe new Amiga stuff?
Team | Commodore
Meet the Commodore team bringing back the magic of computing with innovative, nostalgia-inspired technology.
www.commodore.net
Dave Haynie = Technical Adviser
Maybe new Amiga stuff?
Whoa, Sound interesting.............
Spoiler alert - it's all going to be FPGA.
It might be the easiest and cost effective solution. But you will still have some kind of hardware.
Maybe they will introduce some brand new ideas for the Amiga System.
I seem think all this commodore buy out should be 10 years ago as it seem little too late now that Zx speccy Issue 3 had FPGA with most cores and been sold £1.6m so far!
Correct me if I am wrong.
There saying for some people that it is ......better late than Never........for new Amiga FPGA(Amiga 2026 maybe) .
Correct me if I am wrong.
There saying for some people that it is ......better late than Never........for new Amiga FPGA(Amiga 2026 maybe) .
Amigakit do now sell an FPGA A1200 replacement motherboard called the A1200NG
Yes I know but downside about Amiga A1200NG or A600GS is you cant delete pre-installed Amigakit software or games that you dont like as stuck on store and my way is put in system column(in store)to forget about them as i have column of game and appilcations that I like and look at and to play with
I also made complain to Amiga English board of A600GS just let AmigaKit know that.
I also made complain to Amiga English board of A600GS just let AmigaKit know that.
Hasn't that happened by now with PowerPC Amigas? Dedicated few seem to care or have access to it. It's been out for decades and made very little impact. C64 lovers...didn't they get an official C128?
Retro Entropy - fading into disorder and chaos...more fragmented. That's what we seem to be living today with some of these products and branding exercises. It's highly fascinating and enjoyable to observe this evolution of a group.
Nostalgia does open wallets. We'll all probably buy a new Commodore T-shirt, C= branded storage bag, new LED watch, or even a calculator, which I'm sure this new Commodore will release soon. But these new FPGA based machines won't open my wallet because MISTer DE-10 Nano is here. It has been here for over 5 years and hits a sweet spot of capability. So to see all these "new" machines deliver so much less in terms of FPGA capability, well...what to make of THAT? Until that changes, MISTer is the only FPGA I can support.
We all want something new, but part of the beauty is the fact that these machines are locked in time. They are what they were, and that's all they ever will be. Isn't there beauty in that? Isn't that worth getting an original machine and keeping it working for your own enjoyment? And special thanks to all of those giving us new hardware for that pure experience, of special appreciation for me are the TF cards and Indivision flickerfixers.
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@YouKnowWho
If I didn't know any better, I might think you were obsessed with the DE-10 Nano and FPGA chips
If I didn't know any better, I might think you were obsessed with the DE-10 Nano and FPGA chips
Yes, because of the Amiga. I feel like DE-10 Nano IS the new Amiga. And I'm only obsessed with this FPGA chip because of what it can do.@YouKnowWho
If I didn't know any better, I might think you were obsessed with the DE-10 Nano and FPGA chips
We had the Amiga, and we all loved it. It could do so much, and so well, and at such amazing value.
Then we started to get all the emulation. PC Bridgeboards and Mac capability, others. We all liked that a lot.
Then it all went away.
So then Dennis van Weeren does the Minimig and starts the new FPGA path for Amiga and all retro really.
This eventually evolves around the DE-10 Nano and oh boy, is it everything an Amiga ever was.
How amazing is the 486SX 100Mhz with SVGA and SB16 core? The Bridgeboard of your Amiga dreams is inside the MISTer...for starters.
Some people may put the plastics around the hardware as a primary reason for their purchase.
For me, as far as FPGA re-booted machines go, the FPGA chip and what it can do is the primary reason. I can solve plastics.
